I've seen enough, bench fultz start black

[RichCollab]

It’s going to be hard not to give Black minutes going forward. I’m definitely a big fan now!

[D12VCMagic]

Black should definitely get minutes, but it’s absolute madness how quickly people are jumping to conclusions this season. He still has work to do, despite the nice play the last two games none of his buckets were set up on his own. Either cutting to the basket or open catch and shoot 3s. He’s taking advantage and deserves credit, but he’s not ready to take the job full time yet. He has more developing to do on offense.

Markelle meanwhile is a proven floor general that is fantastic attacking the basket and finishing, his midrange was money last year too. He deserves more than 4 games to have his fate decided, especially since he was clearly bothered by something the last couple games before sitting out.

Magic fans need to take a deep breath and let us at least play 20 damn games before jumping to these insane conclusions.

[ogmagicfan]

Black should definitely get minutes, but it’s absolute madness how quickly people are jumping to conclusions this season. He still has work to do, despite the nice play the last two games none of his buckets were set up on his own. Either cutting to the basket or open catch and shoot 3s. He’s taking advantage and deserves credit, but he’s not ready to take the job full time yet. He has more developing to do on offense.

Markelle meanwhile is a proven floor general that is fantastic attacking the basket and finishing, his midrange was money last year too. He deserves more than 4 games to have his fate decided, especially since he was clearly bothered by something the last couple games before sitting out.

Magic fans need to take a deep breath and let us at least play 20 damn games before jumping to these insane conclusions.

I hear you, but the biggest thing Black did was hit the corner 3.

If he can simply hit the corner 3 at a 33% rate, that does alot for our team, and its something Fultz cant provide.

I'm not sure Fultz has had a game with the Magic he's hit 2 3's in

[Knightro]

I just don’t see any reason for Mosley to deviate from tonight’s lineup until they give him one. If the young guys are thriving, let them thrive.

Fultz off the bench would help with the lack of playmaking in that 2nd unit and buy time for Jett to take over.

Fultz was really good off the bench two years ago coming off the torn ACL. I think it's a role he could thrive in.

But the problem is that Cole exists and the Fultz/Cole pairing stinks.

[D12VCMagic]

Black should definitely get minutes, but it’s absolute madness how quickly people are jumping to conclusions this season. He still has work to do, despite the nice play the last two games none of his buckets were set up on his own. Either cutting to the basket or open catch and shoot 3s. He’s taking advantage and deserves credit, but he’s not ready to take the job full time yet. He has more developing to do on offense.

Markelle meanwhile is a proven floor general that is fantastic attacking the basket and finishing, his midrange was money last year too. He deserves more than 4 games to have his fate decided, especially since he was clearly bothered by something the last couple games before sitting out.

Magic fans need to take a deep breath and let us at least play 20 damn games before jumping to these insane conclusions.

I hear you, but the biggest thing Black did was hit the corner 3.

If he can simply hit the corner 3 at a 33% rate, that does alot for our team, and its something Fultz cant provide.

I'm not sure Fultz has had a game with the Magic he's hit 2 3's in

It’s a one game sample size. We cant assume that Black will continue hitting these shots on a night to night basis.

He’s probably going to take Fultz’ job at some point in the future, but I’m not ready to go there yet. Maybe if Markelle continues to miss time and he continues to put up good games and show improvement, but as for now I think this is an extreme overreaction to one single game. Especially since that game consisted of him mostly playing off ball and scoring off plays his teammates set up.

Also, I looked it up and Markelle had 6 games last year with multiple threes. Not saying he’s a sharpshooter (let’s be real, Black is far from one too), but one game from Black with two threes doesn’t automatically make him better.

[basketballRob]

Black should definitely get minutes, but it’s absolute madness how quickly people are jumping to conclusions this season. He still has work to do, despite the nice play the last two games none of his buckets were set up on his own. Either cutting to the basket or open catch and shoot 3s. He’s taking advantage and deserves credit, but he’s not ready to take the job full time yet. He has more developing to do on offense.

Markelle meanwhile is a proven floor general that is fantastic attacking the basket and finishing, his midrange was money last year too. He deserves more than 4 games to have his fate decided, especially since he was clearly bothered by something the last couple games before sitting out.

Magic fans need to take a deep breath and let us at least play 20 damn games before jumping to these insane conclusions.

I hear you, but the biggest thing Black did was hit the corner 3.

If he can simply hit the corner 3 at a 33% rate, that does alot for our team, and its something Fultz cant provide.

I'm not sure Fultz has had a game with the Magic he's hit 2 3's in

It’s a one game sample size. We cant assume that Black will continue hitting these shots on a night to night basis.

He’s probably going to take Fultz’ job at some point in the future, but I’m not ready to go there yet. Maybe if Markelle continues to miss time and he continues to put up good games and show improvement, but as for now I think this is an extreme overreaction to one single game. Especially since that game consisted of him mostly playing off ball and scoring off plays his teammates set up.

Also, I looked it up and Markelle had 6 games last year with multiple threes. Not saying he’s a sharpshooter (let’s be real, Black is far from one too), but one game from Black with two threes doesn’t automatically make him better.

I see Black as a low usage high EFG type player. His size against guards will help him finish at a high rate around the basket, and I don't think he'll take too many bad 3-pt shots.

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[ogmagicfan]

Black should definitely get minutes, but it’s absolute madness how quickly people are jumping to conclusions this season. He still has work to do, despite the nice play the last two games none of his buckets were set up on his own. Either cutting to the basket or open catch and shoot 3s. He’s taking advantage and deserves credit, but he’s not ready to take the job full time yet. He has more developing to do on offense.

Markelle meanwhile is a proven floor general that is fantastic attacking the basket and finishing, his midrange was money last year too. He deserves more than 4 games to have his fate decided, especially since he was clearly bothered by something the last couple games before sitting out.

Magic fans need to take a deep breath and let us at least play 20 damn games before jumping to these insane conclusions.

I hear you, but the biggest thing Black did was hit the corner 3.

If he can simply hit the corner 3 at a 33% rate, that does alot for our team, and its something Fultz cant provide.

I'm not sure Fultz has had a game with the Magic he's hit 2 3's in

It’s a one game sample size. We cant assume that Black will continue hitting these shots on a night to night basis.

He’s probably going to take Fultz’ job at some point in the future, but I’m not ready to go there yet. Maybe if Markelle continues to miss time and he continues to put up good games and show improvement, but as for now I think this is an extreme overreaction to one single game. Especially since that game consisted of him mostly playing off ball and scoring off plays his teammates set up.

Also, I looked it up and Markelle had 6 games last year with multiple threes. Not saying he’s a sharpshooter (let’s be real, Black is far from one too), but one game from Black with two threes doesn’t automatically make him better.

I more so hope he continues the play more than anything, we'll have to wait & see if Black keeps it up

The conditions for why Black is going to take Fultz starting position this year go beyond the shot, although it's the most promising aspect.

He's:

-On a rookie contract, while Fultz is a FA this upcoming offseason

-Black is a better defender, longer/taller

-If we want to get anything from moving on from Fultz, it'll have to be in the next 3 months

-We drafted him 6th

Since we have Paolo & Franz, we have the ability to not overwhelm Black with ball handling/creation duties, which will allow his transition into starting be alot easier than on another team

[Residual-Heat]

I just don’t see any reason for Mosley to deviate from tonight’s lineup until they give him one. If the young guys are thriving, let them thrive.

Fultz off the bench would help with the lack of playmaking in that 2nd unit and buy time for Jett to take over.

Fultz was really good off the bench two years ago coming off the torn ACL. I think it's a role he could thrive in.

But the problem is that Cole exists and the Fultz/Cole pairing stinks.

We also would still have the problem of having too many guards that arent good shooters. Black-Suggs-Fultz getting heavy minutes isnt going to work. Markelle's fate was sealed when we drafted Black.

[Bensational]

I just don’t see any reason for Mosley to deviate from tonight’s lineup until they give him one. If the young guys are thriving, let them thrive.

Fultz off the bench would help with the lack of playmaking in that 2nd unit and buy time for Jett to take over.

Fultz was really good off the bench two years ago coming off the torn ACL. I think it's a role he could thrive in.

But the problem is that Cole exists and the Fultz/Cole pairing stinks.

I suppose it depends if Mosley continues to stagger Franz and Paolo with the 2nd unit, in which case they can split playmaking with Cole. He definitely needs someone on the court to pass the ball for him while he scores.

In which case Fultz is just gonna get organically squeezed out as the team outgrows a need for what he brings.

[basketballRob]

I just don’t see any reason for Mosley to deviate from tonight’s lineup until they give him one. If the young guys are thriving, let them thrive.

Fultz off the bench would help with the lack of playmaking in that 2nd unit and buy time for Jett to take over.

Fultz was really good off the bench two years ago coming off the torn ACL. I think it's a role he could thrive in.

But the problem is that Cole exists and the Fultz/Cole pairing stinks.

We also would still have the problem of having too many guards that arent good shooters. Black-Suggs-Fultz getting heavy minutes isnt going to work. Markelle's fate was sealed when we drafted Black.

At least Black didn't let DLo get past him tonight.

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[AaronB]

I want to see if Portland would consider Fultz, Issac, Denver first, and Orlando protected first for Simons.

Too much for a guy that is basically Cole Anthony with WORSE defense.

Simons is way better than Cole and provides a need. And Given the fact that Fultz and Issac would be marginal losses at best and the Denver pick will be trash the only thing the magic would lose is the their pick. If better only provide one pick.

Ummm …. No

Simons was the worst defender in the NBA last year. He is not a fit on the Magic team philosophy.

That also follows the eye test. The 2 times I watched Simons last year, calling him a traffic cone gives traffic cones a bad name.

[D12VCMagic]

I hear you, but the biggest thing Black did was hit the corner 3.

If he can simply hit the corner 3 at a 33% rate, that does alot for our team, and its something Fultz cant provide.

I'm not sure Fultz has had a game with the Magic he's hit 2 3's in

It’s a one game sample size. We cant assume that Black will continue hitting these shots on a night to night basis.

He’s probably going to take Fultz’ job at some point in the future, but I’m not ready to go there yet. Maybe if Markelle continues to miss time and he continues to put up good games and show improvement, but as for now I think this is an extreme overreaction to one single game. Especially since that game consisted of him mostly playing off ball and scoring off plays his teammates set up.

Also, I looked it up and Markelle had 6 games last year with multiple threes. Not saying he’s a sharpshooter (let’s be real, Black is far from one too), but one game from Black with two threes doesn’t automatically make him better.

I see Black as a low usage high EFG type player. His size against guards will help him finish at a high rate around the basket, and I don't think he'll take too many bad 3-pt shots.

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Maybe, let’s see what he does with an actual sample size first.

[D12VCMagic]

I hear you, but the biggest thing Black did was hit the corner 3.

If he can simply hit the corner 3 at a 33% rate, that does alot for our team, and its something Fultz cant provide.

I'm not sure Fultz has had a game with the Magic he's hit 2 3's in

It’s a one game sample size. We cant assume that Black will continue hitting these shots on a night to night basis.

He’s probably going to take Fultz’ job at some point in the future, but I’m not ready to go there yet. Maybe if Markelle continues to miss time and he continues to put up good games and show improvement, but as for now I think this is an extreme overreaction to one single game. Especially since that game consisted of him mostly playing off ball and scoring off plays his teammates set up.

Also, I looked it up and Markelle had 6 games last year with multiple threes. Not saying he’s a sharpshooter (let’s be real, Black is far from one too), but one game from Black with two threes doesn’t automatically make him better.

I more so hope he continues the play more than anything, we'll have to wait & see if Black keeps it up

The conditions for why Black is going to take Fultz starting position this year go beyond the shot, although it's the most promising aspect.

He's:

-On a rookie contract, while Fultz is a FA this upcoming offseason

-Black is a better defender, longer/taller

-If we want to get anything from moving on from Fultz, it'll have to be in the next 3 months

-We drafted him 6th

Since we have Paolo & Franz, we have the ability to not overwhelm Black with ball handling/creation duties, which will allow his transition into starting be alot easier than on another team

If you want to talk about Black taking the job next year, that’s a different discussion. I’m talking about RIGHT NOW. As of RIGHT NOW, I’m not ready to overreact to one decent game and give this kid the starting job. Markelle deserves the chance to turn things around after his first four games.

[RookieStar]

Too much for a guy that is basically Cole Anthony with WORSE defense.

Simons is way better than Cole and provides a need. And Given the fact that Fultz and Issac would be marginal losses at best and the Denver pick will be trash the only thing the magic would lose is the their pick. If better only provide one pick.

Ummm …. No

Simons was the worst defender in the NBA last year. He is not a fit on the Magic team philosophy.

That also follows the eye test. The 2 times I watched Simons last year, calling him a traffic cone gives traffic cones a bad name.

Yeah as much as we like Simons range, having a defensive sieve while Coach Mos is screaming defense to keep up our standing as one of the best defensive team.in the league doesnt really mesh well to our team

[ogmagicfan]

It’s a one game sample size. We cant assume that Black will continue hitting these shots on a night to night basis.

He’s probably going to take Fultz’ job at some point in the future, but I’m not ready to go there yet. Maybe if Markelle continues to miss time and he continues to put up good games and show improvement, but as for now I think this is an extreme overreaction to one single game. Especially since that game consisted of him mostly playing off ball and scoring off plays his teammates set up.

Also, I looked it up and Markelle had 6 games last year with multiple threes. Not saying he’s a sharpshooter (let’s be real, Black is far from one too), but one game from Black with two threes doesn’t automatically make him better.

I more so hope he continues the play more than anything, we'll have to wait & see if Black keeps it up

The conditions for why Black is going to take Fultz starting position this year go beyond the shot, although it's the most promising aspect.

He's:

-On a rookie contract, while Fultz is a FA this upcoming offseason

-Black is a better defender, longer/taller

-If we want to get anything from moving on from Fultz, it'll have to be in the next 3 months

-We drafted him 6th

Since we have Paolo & Franz, we have the ability to not overwhelm Black with ball handling/creation duties, which will allow his transition into starting be alot easier than on another team

If you want to talk about Black taking the job next year, that’s a different discussion. I’m talking about RIGHT NOW. As of RIGHT NOW, I’m not ready to overreact to one decent game and give this kid the starting job. Markelle deserves the chance to turn things around after his first four games.

I'm talking about right now too. and considering all the factors listed above, I'd rather start AB than Fultz. We've know what Fultz brings to the table, time to start building for the future

[Rainwater]

Too much for a guy that is basically Cole Anthony with WORSE defense.

Simons is way better than Cole and provides a need. And Given the fact that Fultz and Issac would be marginal losses at best and the Denver pick will be trash the only thing the magic would lose is the their pick. If better only provide one pick.

Ummm …. No

Simons was the worst defender in the NBA last year. He is not a fit on the Magic team philosophy.

That also follows the eye test. The 2 times I watched Simons last year, calling him a traffic cone gives traffic cones a bad name.

No body is arguing if his defense is great but to say in terms of a player Cole Anthony is similar is just ridiculous. The magic are in need of a young shooter, and the guy shoots nearly 40% from distance. With Suggs and Black already on the court Simons' defense can be covered. If you are only giving up Fultz and Isaac, two guys who likely won't be here next year, and the Denver pick, which will likely suck, it is worth the risk.

[D12VCMagic]

I more so hope he continues the play more than anything, we'll have to wait & see if Black keeps it up

The conditions for why Black is going to take Fultz starting position this year go beyond the shot, although it's the most promising aspect.

He's:

-On a rookie contract, while Fultz is a FA this upcoming offseason

-Black is a better defender, longer/taller

-If we want to get anything from moving on from Fultz, it'll have to be in the next 3 months

-We drafted him 6th

Since we have Paolo & Franz, we have the ability to not overwhelm Black with ball handling/creation duties, which will allow his transition into starting be alot easier than on another team

If you want to talk about Black taking the job next year, that’s a different discussion. I’m talking about RIGHT NOW. As of RIGHT NOW, I’m not ready to overreact to one decent game and give this kid the starting job. Markelle deserves the chance to turn things around after his first four games.

I'm talking about right now too. and considering all the factors listed above, I'd rather start AB than Fultz. We've know what Fultz brings to the table, time to start building for the future

Yeah, what Fultz brings to the table are career averages better than what Black did tonight. Sorry, I wanna make the playoffs this year. I’m tired of “building for the future.” If Black can put together a sample size that shows he’s our best chance to win now then I’m for it. I’m not convinced he’s ready to be the starting PG now after one game, especially when he didn’t do anything mind blowing in that game.

[Rainwater]

It’s a one game sample size. We cant assume that Black will continue hitting these shots on a night to night basis.

He’s probably going to take Fultz’ job at some point in the future, but I’m not ready to go there yet. Maybe if Markelle continues to miss time and he continues to put up good games and show improvement, but as for now I think this is an extreme overreaction to one single game. Especially since that game consisted of him mostly playing off ball and scoring off plays his teammates set up.

Also, I looked it up and Markelle had 6 games last year with multiple threes. Not saying he’s a sharpshooter (let’s be real, Black is far from one too), but one game from Black with two threes doesn’t automatically make him better.

I more so hope he continues the play more than anything, we'll have to wait & see if Black keeps it up

The conditions for why Black is going to take Fultz starting position this year go beyond the shot, although it's the most promising aspect.

He's:

-On a rookie contract, while Fultz is a FA this upcoming offseason

-Black is a better defender, longer/taller

-If we want to get anything from moving on from Fultz, it'll have to be in the next 3 months

-We drafted him 6th

Since we have Paolo & Franz, we have the ability to not overwhelm Black with ball handling/creation duties, which will allow his transition into starting be alot easier than on another team

If you want to talk about Black taking the job next year, that’s a different discussion. I’m talking about RIGHT NOW. As of RIGHT NOW, I’m not ready to overreact to one decent game and give this kid the starting job. Markelle deserves the chance to turn things around after his first four games.

Fultz is likely gone next season, why keep playing him when it is pretty clear that Black is the future? There is really no purpose of playing Fultz unless it is to keep up his trade value.

[D12VCMagic]

I more so hope he continues the play more than anything, we'll have to wait & see if Black keeps it up

The conditions for why Black is going to take Fultz starting position this year go beyond the shot, although it's the most promising aspect.

He's:

-On a rookie contract, while Fultz is a FA this upcoming offseason

-Black is a better defender, longer/taller

-If we want to get anything from moving on from Fultz, it'll have to be in the next 3 months

-We drafted him 6th

Since we have Paolo & Franz, we have the ability to not overwhelm Black with ball handling/creation duties, which will allow his transition into starting be alot easier than on another team

If you want to talk about Black taking the job next year, that’s a different discussion. I’m talking about RIGHT NOW. As of RIGHT NOW, I’m not ready to overreact to one decent game and give this kid the starting job. Markelle deserves the chance to turn things around after his first four games.

Fultz is likely gone next season, why keep playing him when it is pretty clear that Black is the future? There is really no purpose of playing Fultz unless it is to keep up his trade value.

We don’t know if Fultz is gone next year or not. Just because he’s a FA doesn’t mean a new deal can’t be made.

The purpose of playing Fultz is that he’s the better and more proven player right now and we are trying to win games. Black doesn’t have to be the starting PG to develop his game and improve for the future. Like I said, if he puts an actual sample size then we can talk.

[Rainwater]

If you want to talk about Black taking the job next year, that’s a different discussion. I’m talking about RIGHT NOW. As of RIGHT NOW, I’m not ready to overreact to one decent game and give this kid the starting job. Markelle deserves the chance to turn things around after his first four games.

I'm talking about right now too. and considering all the factors listed above, I'd rather start AB than Fultz. We've know what Fultz brings to the table, time to start building for the future

Yeah, what Fultz brings to the table are career averages better than what Black did tonight. Sorry, I wanna make the playoffs this year. I’m tired of “building for the future.” If Black can put together a sample size that shows he’s our best chance to win now then I’m for it. I’m not convinced he’s ready to be the starting PG now after one game, especially when he didn’t do anything mind blowing in that game.

In the two game that Black has played it has shown that he can do what Fultz in all the years has been in Orlando plus more (which is shoot the three).

I really don't care about the playoffs, I would rather see this team grow. And if the organization feels the same. And if the magic do make the playoffs this year, they likely aren't going far anyway. I would rather give Black some burn. And if these losses and wins have shown us anything making the playoffs will not be dependent on someone like Fultz but how well Franz and especially Paolo play.