Jaylen Brown Thread

[SuperDeluxe]

Passes Received vs. Passes Made among starters (excluding last night, no data yet):
Tatum: 44.0 vs. 41.5
White: 34.0 vs. 34.3
Holiday: 31.8 vs. 30.8
Porzingis: 26.8 vs. 29.8
Brown: 33.0 vs. 23.5

Where is this data from? If accurate, it's pretty sad and discouraging. Since four games is a small sample, are these numbers consistent with last season's?

[KillahGhostface]

Passes Received vs. Passes Made among starters (excluding last night, no data yet):
Tatum: 44.0 vs. 41.5
White: 34.0 vs. 34.3
Holiday: 31.8 vs. 30.8
Porzingis: 26.8 vs. 29.8
Brown: 33.0 vs. 23.5

Where is this data from? If accurate, it's pretty sad and discouraging. Since four games is a small sample, are these numbers consistent with last season's?

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612738/passes-dash

Both numbers are lower than last season.

[zoyathedestroya]

Passes Received vs. Passes Made among starters (excluding last night, no data yet):
Tatum: 44.0 vs. 41.5
White: 34.0 vs. 34.3
Holiday: 31.8 vs. 30.8
Porzingis: 26.8 vs. 29.8
Brown: 33.0 vs. 23.5

Where is this data from? If accurate, it's pretty sad and discouraging. Since four games is a small sample, are these numbers consistent with last season's?

His passes made vs passes received ratio has been that way since keys to the offense were passed to the Jays/Smart in 2019. Pretty much in line with most volume scorers. He’s a gunner. That’s his role. But I wish he’d do it more within the team flow now and limit the ill-advised shots so his efficiency can improve (currently below league average). From numbers above, I’m more pleasantly surprised with Tatum’s ratio. Good balance of distributing and involving others while scoring at high volume and efficiency.

[zoyathedestroya]

Passes Received vs. Passes Made among starters (excluding last night, no data yet):
Tatum: 44.0 vs. 41.5
White: 34.0 vs. 34.3
Holiday: 31.8 vs. 30.8
Porzingis: 26.8 vs. 29.8
Brown: 33.0 vs. 23.5

Where is this data from? If accurate, it's pretty sad and discouraging. Since four games is a small sample, are these numbers consistent with last season's?

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612738/passes-dash

Both numbers are lower than last season.

Passes are down as a team. I think SD is specifically asking about the passing ratio.

[SuperDeluxe]

Where is this data from? If accurate, it's pretty sad and discouraging. Since four games is a small sample, are these numbers consistent with last season's?

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612738/passes-dash

Both numbers are lower than last season.

Passes are down as a team. I think SD is specifically asking about the passing ratio.

I used to love stats until they got complicated a few years ago. I didn't even know a stat for pass to/from existed. Thanks for the link.

Good to see that the stats show Tatum (and others) embracing ball movement more this year. Sad to see that the stats match the eye test for Brown's tendencies. At this point it's not 100% his fault -- he needs to be singled out by the coaches. Everybody needs to buy in, even the highest-paid player ever.

[zoyathedestroya]

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612738/passes-dash

Both numbers are lower than last season.

Passes are down as a team. I think SD is specifically asking about the passing ratio.

I used to love stats until they got complicated a few years ago. I didn't even know a stat for pass to/from existed. Thanks for the link.

Good to see that the stats show Tatum (and others) embracing ball movement more this year. Sad to see that the stats match the eye test for Brown's tendencies. At this point it's not 100% his fault -- he needs to be singled out by the coaches. Everybody needs to buy in, even the highest-paid player ever.

It’s JB who said this:

The most important thing is winning. I think everybody is at that stage in their career, for the most part, so I think (that) we all understand that. And the game will decide. The matchups will decide; we'll get to see where the game is going to be won at, and we've got to trust and let that happen.

"And from the top to the bottom, we've just got to be able to trust each other to make the right reads, we've got great players, and do what we do. The game will tell you who is going to need to sacrifice and who's not, but it's going to switch up from time to time, but all our guys got to be willing because the only thing that matters is winning."

Right now I’m seeing three other starters who are taking about half the amount of shots he’s taking at a much higher efficiency. So there’s still more room for reading the game right and some more sacrifice on his part.

[SuperDeluxe]

Passes are down as a team. I think SD is specifically asking about the passing ratio.

I used to love stats until they got complicated a few years ago. I didn't even know a stat for pass to/from existed. Thanks for the link.

Good to see that the stats show Tatum (and others) embracing ball movement more this year. Sad to see that the stats match the eye test for Brown's tendencies. At this point it's not 100% his fault -- he needs to be singled out by the coaches. Everybody needs to buy in, even the highest-paid player ever.

It’s JB who said this:

The most important thing is winning. I think everybody is at that stage in their career, for the most part, so I think (that) we all understand that. And the game will decide. The matchups will decide; we'll get to see where the game is going to be won at, and we've got to trust and let that happen.

"And from the top to the bottom, we've just got to be able to trust each other to make the right reads, we've got great players, and do what we do. The game will tell you who is going to need to sacrifice and who's not, but it's going to switch up from time to time, but all our guys got to be willing because the only thing that matters is winning."

Right now I’m seeing three other starters who are taking about half the amount of shots he’s taking at a much higher efficiency. So there’s still more room for reading the game right and some more sacrifice on his part.

I remember seeing that quote -- my eyes rolled violently out of their sockets.

[Homerclease]

Where is this data from? If accurate, it's pretty sad and discouraging. Since four games is a small sample, are these numbers consistent with last season's?

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612738/passes-dash

Both numbers are lower than last season.

Passes are down as a team. I think SD is specifically asking about the passing ratio.

This isn’t necessarily a bad thing either and it comes from personel. They were doing a bit of overpassing game one against the Knicks leading to some pretty ugly turnovers. Since then they’ve been doing quite a bit of simple action leading to quality shots across the board. Team has enough good offensive players that sometimes keeping it simple is best. A pick and roll to get Tatum switched on a smaller guy and letting him cook in the post only takes one pass to generate easy offense

[Bad-Thoma]

https://www.nba.com/stats/team/1610612738/passes-dash

Both numbers are lower than last season.

Passes are down as a team. I think SD is specifically asking about the passing ratio.

This isn’t necessarily a bad thing either and it comes from personel. They were doing a bit of overpassing game one against the Knicks leading to some pretty ugly turnovers. Since then they’ve been doing quite a bit of simple action leading to quality shots across the board. Team has enough good offensive players that sometimes keeping it simple is best. A pick and roll to get Tatum switched on a smaller guy and letting him cook in the post only takes one pass to generate easy offense

I agree with this and have to add it's really hard to double team off of any of our top 6 and other than Al all of them are usually going to have the upper hand one on one so there's going to be a lot of quality shots generated without the ball moving as much. I love ball movement but I'm not worried that the passing is a little spare this season.

[KillahGhostface]

Passes are down as a team. I think SD is specifically asking about the passing ratio.

This isn’t necessarily a bad thing either and it comes from personel. They were doing a bit of overpassing game one against the Knicks leading to some pretty ugly turnovers. Since then they’ve been doing quite a bit of simple action leading to quality shots across the board. Team has enough good offensive players that sometimes keeping it simple is best. A pick and roll to get Tatum switched on a smaller guy and letting him cook in the post only takes one pass to generate easy offense

I agree with this and have to add it's really hard to double team off of any of our top 6 and other than Al all of them are usually going to have the upper hand one on one so there's going to be a lot of quality shots generated without the ball moving as much. I love ball movement but I'm not worried that the passing is a little spare this season.

I’ve been saying here for about a week that I think the passing and assist numbers will be down all year. We have a glorified cook em offense, with a few really high bball iq guys. A good shot is a good shot regardless of how many passes comes first. If you create an advantage quickly, awesome.

What I’ve noticed with Jaylen so far this season is that he’s taking by far the most difficult shots on the team. He’s overdribbling like crazy lol, he catches the ball with momentum, then dribbles it back out for some reason. He’s talking almost a full dribble more possession than he did last year. He’s also taking over a dribble more per possession Tatum, which is insane when you think about it. There’s no reason he should be having to do more than last year to score, not with this offense lol. You’re seeing the results of this in his efficiency, which he should be EATING imo.

[BK_2020]

even if he was bad for his first 3 of 4 games I was ok with his decision-making but the bad Jaylen came out in force last game. He was unquestionably trying to turn the game into an individual battle between him and Cam Thomas. Which, if you really speak the phrase "individual battle between him and Cam Thomas" out to yourself, should tell you all you need to know in as far as how ridiculous and pointless it was.

[BK_2020]

I think he’s trying to justify the contract, once that normal feeling goes away, I’d hope he looks more comfortable within the offense.

What has stood out to me so far is that everyone else is getting a bunch of easy looks within the flow of offense, whereas Jaylen takes a bunch of difficult ass shots. Which would help explain why his TS (54.5%) is so low compared to the other starters.

One thing that Steef brought up to me, that I’m in favor of, is maybe stop staggering Jaylen and Tatum as much. Now that the team has so much talent, Jaylen should never be out there without two of Tatum, Holiday, Al, KP, or White. It’s a tiny, tiny sample, but in the five games, when Jaylen is on the court without Tatum, their net rating is -12.5.

One thing I will say, he is taking excellent care of the ball, his TO rate is almost non existent lol.

His TS% is low because 1. he is not good at shooting and 2. he can't get to the line and 3. when he does get there, he can't make his free throws. He's making his difficult shots. His shooting % from the midrange (10-16 ft) so far is an eye-popping 57%. His scoring efficiency sucks because he's bad at making open threes (which teams happily give up), he has bad 3pt volume, and he doesn't attack the rim well enough to get to the line or get layups.

[AlCelticFan]

Shouldn't even be looking at lineup stats this early in the season but it's noticeable that the Pritchard-Brown-Hauser combo has been rough based on eye test. Alas, -8 in 17 minutes. 35.3 from the field and 4/16 from 3. I don't think Pritchard should be paired with JB in bench groupings. JMO.

That's all statistical noise at this point, no?

I think it's basically just saying: "Pritchard and Jaylen haven't had great starts to the season".

[zoyathedestroya]

Shouldn't even be looking at lineup stats this early in the season but it's noticeable that the Pritchard-Brown-Hauser combo has been rough based on eye test. Alas, -8 in 17 minutes. 35.3 from the field and 4/16 from 3. I don't think Pritchard should be paired with JB in bench groupings. JMO.

That's all statistical noise at this point, no?

I think it's basically just saying: "Pritchard and Jaylen haven't had great starts to the season".

Maybe. But neither guy is really good at setting up the offense. JB is our weakest link on defense among starters, PP the weakest link on defense among regular bench guys. One of Tatum, White, or Jrue needs to be with them on the floor imo. And probably no Kornet too.

[TheSheriff]

Shouldn't even be looking at lineup stats this early in the season but it's noticeable that the Pritchard-Brown-Hauser combo has been rough based on eye test. Alas, -8 in 17 minutes. 35.3 from the field and 4/16 from 3. I don't think Pritchard should be paired with JB in bench groupings. JMO.

That's all statistical noise at this point, no?

I think it's basically just saying: "Pritchard and Jaylen haven't had great starts to the season".

Maybe. But neither guy is really good at setting up the offense. JB is our weakest link on defense among starters, PP the weakest link on defense among regular bench guys. One of Tatum, White, or Jrue needs to be with them on the floor imo. And probably no Kornet too.

Saying Jaylen Brown is the weakest starter on defense isn’t saying much. White and Holiday are both reigning all-defense players. Tatum should make an all-defense team. Porzingis is a 7’3” shot blocker. Brown is a solid defender. There is a reason he has received all-defense votes before.

[zoyathedestroya]

That's all statistical noise at this point, no?

I think it's basically just saying: "Pritchard and Jaylen haven't had great starts to the season".

Maybe. But neither guy is really good at setting up the offense. JB is our weakest link on defense among starters, PP the weakest link on defense among regular bench guys. One of Tatum, White, or Jrue needs to be with them on the floor imo. And probably no Kornet too.

Saying Jaylen Brown is the weakest starter on defense isn’t saying much. White and Holiday are both reigning all-defense players. Tatum should make an all-defense team. Porzingis is a 7’3” shot blocker. Brown is a solid defender. There is a reason he has received all-defense votes before.

Yep, he’s a good individual defender who’s still improving on his team defense. It’s more a comment on how Joe should be able to mix and match his starters with bench players so weaknesses are mitigated and strengths are enhanced. If you have three other all-defense type wing players as starters, good idea to have them alongside PP and JB in those second unit groupings. Same philosophy on offense for ballhandling/playmaking.

[BK_2020]

That's all statistical noise at this point, no?

I think it's basically just saying: "Pritchard and Jaylen haven't had great starts to the season".

Maybe. But neither guy is really good at setting up the offense. JB is our weakest link on defense among starters, PP the weakest link on defense among regular bench guys. One of Tatum, White, or Jrue needs to be with them on the floor imo. And probably no Kornet too.

Saying Jaylen Brown is the weakest starter on defense isn’t saying much. White and Holiday are both reigning all-defense players. Tatum should make an all-defense team. Porzingis is a 7’3” shot blocker. Brown is a solid defender. There is a reason he has received all-defense votes before.

I mean he got 2 votes, just 1 more than Devin Booker and 5 fewer than Dorian Finney-Smith. I don't think him receiving all-defense votes means much.

[Floody23]

Maybe. But neither guy is really good at setting up the offense. JB is our weakest link on defense among starters, PP the weakest link on defense among regular bench guys. One of Tatum, White, or Jrue needs to be with them on the floor imo. And probably no Kornet too.

Saying Jaylen Brown is the weakest starter on defense isn’t saying much. White and Holiday are both reigning all-defense players. Tatum should make an all-defense team. Porzingis is a 7’3” shot blocker. Brown is a solid defender. There is a reason he has received all-defense votes before.

I mean he got 2 votes, just 1 more than Devin Booker and 5 fewer than Dorian Finney-Smith. I don't think him receiving all-defense votes means much.

This might be the most pointless comment I think I’ve read on this Board.

[zoyathedestroya]

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