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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#161 » by RHODEY » Sun Nov 5, 2023 6:41 am

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3toheadmelo wrote:The issue with KAT at center is that your defense is going to be really bad. Teams will have a field day with Brunson and KAT. So is it really worth it


Meh people said the same thing about Jokic and he’s holding up at center pretty fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Same thing with Sabonis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brunson and Kat would be a legit Dynamic duo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They’d be fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jokic is one of the best offensive centers of all the time. KAT is not even close to his level.

sabonis has never made it out the 1st round of the playoffs.

Be better green arrow!!!

BE BETTER!!!


They dont understand that KAT is a liability overall despite the offense...thats how bad the defense is. In addition he's always hurt, AND he will make 60 million... to me its an easy no unless we give up marginal players.
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#162 » by RHODEY » Sun Nov 5, 2023 7:01 am

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Iron Mantis wrote:Why?

When you take Mitch out of the starting lineup you diminish the team's biggest strength - interior defense and offensive rebounding - and make it into a huge weakness (w/Towns) ...all for the sake of stretching the floor. Mitch is our glue....I think he is singlehandedly keeping us out of the Lottery....

And while stretching the floor is a very big need, there are ways to do it without weakening what we do best. My suggestion is to insert a starting swingman of legit size who can really shoot. Someone like this guy...

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Sure Bogs would not be a permanent solution due to age, but he's exactly what is needed to balance out this roster while being cheap enough to retain assets for future moves.

If we keep our offensive rebounding intact, just adding one true sniper would pay huge dividends towards making us truly competitive.

Brunson
RJ
Bogs
Julius
Mitch


The above lineup gives us spacing while retaining our Interior D and O rebounding.

Knicks need balance.

Mitch isn't lost...he comes off the bench to provide valuable minutes...we sacrifice moving down a few spots on defense to move up from being the worst on offense...maybe even surprisingly good.

Interior D and O rebounding is nice when your center can do more than that..ours can do nothing else...zero......Mitch is killing the offense: can't score, and his man is camping in the paint to challenge EVERYTHING. And if Mitch is having lackluster game....he's just a warm body because he can do literally nothing else.

KAT can create his own offense in the paint and draw doubles....so Maybe with KAT-centric offense....Grimes can get better looks and RJ, Brunson can score in the paint much easier without a camping 7-footer challenging them literally every single time...if they leave KAT open on the perimeter to challenge, he can quickly go off from 3........so offensive rebounding and a prayer will not need to be the primary offense. Actual organic scoring and passing can be.



Does this sound Familiar?

Mike Shearer wrote:But Towns has inarguably the worst decision-making of any high-leverage player in the entire NBA. He commits some of the most blatant offensive fouls you’ll ever see, throws ill-considered passes at the worst times, and is perpetually a minute late in help defense. And while these flaws come and go in the regular season, they erupt, like a once-dormant disease, every postseason.

With the ball, Towns becomes a car without a steering wheel. He doesn’t seem to realize ballhandlers are allowed to, you know, change direction. The Eurostep has been around for decades, yet Towns continually plows into defenders who have been parked in one spot long enough to incur a ticket. Watch him mow over LeBron James, who spent nearly the entire play motionless:


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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#163 » by Snacks » Sun Nov 5, 2023 11:22 am

RHODEY wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:
TheGreenArrow wrote:
Meh people said the same thing about Jokic and he’s holding up at center pretty fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Same thing with Sabonis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brunson and Kat would be a legit Dynamic duo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They’d be fine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jokic is one of the best offensive centers of all the time. KAT is not even close to his level.

sabonis has never made it out the 1st round of the playoffs.

Be better green arrow!!!

BE BETTER!!!


They dont understand that KAT is a liability overall despite the offense...thats how bad the defense is. In addition he's always hurt, AND he will make 60 million... to me its an easy no unless we give up marginal players.


Nobody wants KAT.
We're Knick fans and this is hell. We have to make a choice between horrible things we really don't want.

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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#164 » by Iron Mantis » Sun Nov 5, 2023 11:58 am

RHODEY wrote:
Iron Mantis wrote:
RHODEY wrote:When you take Mitch out of the starting lineup you diminish the team's biggest strength - interior defense and offensive rebounding - and make it into a huge weakness (w/Towns) ...all for the sake of stretching the floor. Mitch is our glue....I think he is singlehandedly keeping us out of the Lottery....

And while stretching the floor is a very big need, there are ways to do it without weakening what we do best. My suggestion is to insert a starting swingman of legit size who can really shoot. Someone like this guy...

Image


Sure Bogs would not be a permanent solution due to age, but he's exactly what is needed to balance out this roster while being cheap enough to retain assets for future moves.

If we keep our offensive rebounding intact, just adding one true sniper would pay huge dividends towards making us truly competitive.

Brunson
RJ
Bogs
Julius
Mitch


The above lineup gives us spacing while retaining our Interior D and O rebounding.

Knicks need balance.

Mitch isn't lost...he comes off the bench to provide valuable minutes...we sacrifice moving down a few spots on defense to move up from being the worst on offense...maybe even surprisingly good.

Interior D and O rebounding is nice when your center can do more than that..ours can do nothing else...zero......Mitch is killing the offense: can't score, and his man is camping in the paint to challenge EVERYTHING. And if Mitch is having lackluster game....he's just a warm body because he can do literally nothing else.

KAT can create his own offense in the paint and draw doubles....so Maybe with KAT-centric offense....Grimes can get better looks and RJ, Brunson can score in the paint much easier without a camping 7-footer challenging them literally every single time...if they leave KAT open on the perimeter to challenge, he can quickly go off from 3........so offensive rebounding and a prayer will not need to be the primary offense. Actual organic scoring and passing can be.



Does this sound Familiar?

Mike Shearer wrote:But Towns has inarguably the worst decision-making of any high-leverage player in the entire NBA. He commits some of the most blatant offensive fouls you’ll ever see, throws ill-considered passes at the worst times, and is perpetually a minute late in help defense. And while these flaws come and go in the regular season, they erupt, like a once-dormant disease, every postseason.

With the ball, Towns becomes a car without a steering wheel. He doesn’t seem to realize ballhandlers are allowed to, you know, change direction. The Eurostep has been around for decades, yet Towns continually plows into defenders who have been parked in one spot long enough to incur a ticket. Watch him mow over LeBron James, who spent nearly the entire play motionless:


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https://www.basketballpoetry.com/p/shrinking-violet-karl-anthony-towns

Still prefer him over Randle, for the reasons I mentioned.

Even if we just camp him in the corner or at the top of the key and don't let him create too much, it will do wonders for the spacing.

They way KP and Brook spread us out with 3's, but challenged any Knick who dared enter the paint ...KAT can have that same effect.
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#165 » by Jalen Bluntson » Sun Nov 5, 2023 2:48 pm

RHODEY wrote:
Iron Mantis wrote:
RHODEY wrote:When you take Mitch out of the starting lineup you diminish the team's biggest strength - interior defense and offensive rebounding - and make it into a huge weakness (w/Towns) ...all for the sake of stretching the floor. Mitch is our glue....I think he is singlehandedly keeping us out of the Lottery....

And while stretching the floor is a very big need, there are ways to do it without weakening what we do best. My suggestion is to insert a starting swingman of legit size who can really shoot. Someone like this guy...

Image


Sure Bogs would not be a permanent solution due to age, but he's exactly what is needed to balance out this roster while being cheap enough to retain assets for future moves.

If we keep our offensive rebounding intact, just adding one true sniper would pay huge dividends towards making us truly competitive.

Brunson
RJ
Bogs
Julius
Mitch


The above lineup gives us spacing while retaining our Interior D and O rebounding.

Knicks need balance.

Mitch isn't lost...he comes off the bench to provide valuable minutes...we sacrifice moving down a few spots on defense to move up from being the worst on offense...maybe even surprisingly good.

Interior D and O rebounding is nice when your center can do more than that..ours can do nothing else...zero......Mitch is killing the offense: can't score, and his man is camping in the paint to challenge EVERYTHING. And if Mitch is having lackluster game....he's just a warm body because he can do literally nothing else.

KAT can create his own offense in the paint and draw doubles....so Maybe with KAT-centric offense....Grimes can get better looks and RJ, Brunson can score in the paint much easier without a camping 7-footer challenging them literally every single time...if they leave KAT open on the perimeter to challenge, he can quickly go off from 3........so offensive rebounding and a prayer will not need to be the primary offense. Actual organic scoring and passing can be.



Does this sound Familiar?

Mike Shearer wrote:But Towns has inarguably the worst decision-making of any high-leverage player in the entire NBA. He commits some of the most blatant offensive fouls you’ll ever see, throws ill-considered passes at the worst times, and is perpetually a minute late in help defense. And while these flaws come and go in the regular season, they erupt, like a once-dormant disease, every postseason.

With the ball, Towns becomes a car without a steering wheel. He doesn’t seem to realize ballhandlers are allowed to, you know, change direction. The Eurostep has been around for decades, yet Towns continually plows into defenders who have been parked in one spot long enough to incur a ticket. Watch him mow over LeBron James, who spent nearly the entire play motionless:


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https://www.basketballpoetry.com/p/shrinking-violet-karl-anthony-towns


That's not a charge. Anyone else gets called foe blocking but, not LeBron
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#166 » by RHODEY » Sun Nov 5, 2023 4:03 pm

Jalen Bluntson wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
Iron Mantis wrote:Knicks need balance.

Mitch isn't lost...he comes off the bench to provide valuable minutes...we sacrifice moving down a few spots on defense to move up from being the worst on offense...maybe even surprisingly good.

Interior D and O rebounding is nice when your center can do more than that..ours can do nothing else...zero......Mitch is killing the offense: can't score, and his man is camping in the paint to challenge EVERYTHING. And if Mitch is having lackluster game....he's just a warm body because he can do literally nothing else.

KAT can create his own offense in the paint and draw doubles....so Maybe with KAT-centric offense....Grimes can get better looks and RJ, Brunson can score in the paint much easier without a camping 7-footer challenging them literally every single time...if they leave KAT open on the perimeter to challenge, he can quickly go off from 3........so offensive rebounding and a prayer will not need to be the primary offense. Actual organic scoring and passing can be.



Does this sound Familiar?

Mike Shearer wrote:But Towns has inarguably the worst decision-making of any high-leverage player in the entire NBA. He commits some of the most blatant offensive fouls you’ll ever see, throws ill-considered passes at the worst times, and is perpetually a minute late in help defense. And while these flaws come and go in the regular season, they erupt, like a once-dormant disease, every postseason.

With the ball, Towns becomes a car without a steering wheel. He doesn’t seem to realize ballhandlers are allowed to, you know, change direction. The Eurostep has been around for decades, yet Towns continually plows into defenders who have been parked in one spot long enough to incur a ticket. Watch him mow over LeBron James, who spent nearly the entire play motionless:


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https://www.basketballpoetry.com/p/shrinking-violet-karl-anthony-towns


That's not a charge. Anyone else gets called foe blocking but, not LeBron

It was so bad that even Leflop didnt have to flop. :D
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Post#167 » by ScienceOfLosing » Sun Nov 5, 2023 4:07 pm

Heard on a podcast that Randles ankle is not fully healed (post surgery.) I think that explains why Randle is shooting so badly. But his lack of hustle??? Anyway, he probably turns it around in a month or so, lol.
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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#168 » by RHODEY » Sun Nov 5, 2023 4:07 pm

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Still prefer him over Randle, for the reasons I mentioned.

Even if we just camp him in the corner or at the top of the key and don't let him create too much, it will do wonders for the spacing.

They way KP and Brook spread us out with 3's, but challenged any Knick who dared enter the paint ...KAT can have that same effect.


Except Towns hasnt been good at challenging anything but foul calls since entering the league:


Mike Shearer wrote:On the other side, Towns really does want to play defense. He tries! But he’s not particularly fleet of foot, and he’s always a beat late recognizing where he needs to be. Then, he tries to make up for his tardiness by launching himself at an offensive player who’s already beaten him to the spot:


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Re: Is Kat really gonna be worse to watch than Randle? 

Post#169 » by RHODEY » Sun Nov 5, 2023 4:10 pm

ScienceOfLosing wrote:Heard on a podcast that Randles ankle is not fully healed (post surgery.) I think that explains why Randle is shooting so badly. But his lack of hustle??? Anyway, he probably turns it around in a month or so, lol.


If he isnt fully healed and we only have 1 Power forward - how does this front office explain not bringing in atleast one serviceable back up for that position? Like WTF....
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Post#170 » by ScienceOfLosing » Sun Nov 5, 2023 6:40 pm

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ScienceOfLosing wrote:Heard on a podcast that Randles ankle is not fully healed (post surgery.) I think that explains why Randle is shooting so badly. But his lack of hustle??? Anyway, he probably turns it around in a month or so, lol.


If he isnt fully healed and we only have 1 Power forward - how does this front office explain not bringing in atleast one serviceable back up for that position? Like WTF....


Worse than that. Julis‘ surgery was June 2nd or so. We trade Toppin on July 7th.
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Post#171 » by Iron Mantis » Sun Nov 5, 2023 7:35 pm

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Still prefer him over Randle, for the reasons I mentioned.

Even if we just camp him in the corner or at the top of the key and don't let him create too much, it will do wonders for the spacing.

They way KP and Brook spread us out with 3's, but challenged any Knick who dared enter the paint ...KAT can have that same effect.


Except Towns hasnt been good at challenging anything but foul calls since entering the league:


Mike Shearer wrote:On the other side, Towns really does want to play defense. He tries! But he’s not particularly fleet of foot, and he’s always a beat late recognizing where he needs to be. Then, he tries to make up for his tardiness by launching himself at an offensive player who’s already beaten him to the spot:


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Yes.

Still moving back to center he should average more than a block per game.

Imagine how our offense will look forcing guys like Bam, Brook and KP out to the 3pt line to guard KAT.

Brunson would average 28-30pts per game and suddenly RJ becomes much more efficient slashing to the paint without a 7-footer waiting to meet him.

KAT is a 40% 3pt shooter......they HAVE to come out to defend him...if they don't?? Someone is getting an easy assist.
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Post#172 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sun Nov 5, 2023 7:39 pm

Aaron Rodgers will come back from a torn Achilles before Randle gets over his sprained ankle
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Post#173 » by NoDopeOnSundays » Sun Nov 5, 2023 7:51 pm

The excuses are ridiculous, he had arthroscopic surgery 5 months ago on his ankle, it's not like he ruptured an Achilles. Kawhi is coming back from yet another knee surgery that happened 5 months ago as well, he's not in mid season form but he's also not shooting percentages last seen during prohibition.
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Post#174 » by Iron Mantis » Sun Nov 5, 2023 7:58 pm

I give Randle a hard time as much as anyone... but to be fair, he is coming back from an entire foot transplant.

His brain is still adjusting to using this foreign limb. It's not as easy as you guys think.
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Post#175 » by ohboy109 » Sun Nov 5, 2023 7:59 pm

Fat wrote:KAt/Brunson is a championship

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Post#176 » by Chanel Bomber » Sun Nov 5, 2023 8:02 pm

ScienceOfLosing wrote:Heard on a podcast that Randles ankle is not fully healed (post surgery.) I think that explains why Randle is shooting so badly. But his lack of hustle??? Anyway, he probably turns it around in a month or so, lol.

Then he shouldn't be playing, just like he shouldn't have come back for the playoffs.

I am however rooting for him to return to All-Star form just to witness the utter confusion.
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Post#177 » by ScienceOfLosing » Sun Nov 5, 2023 8:07 pm

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ScienceOfLosing wrote:Heard on a podcast that Randles ankle is not fully healed (post surgery.) I think that explains why Randle is shooting so badly. But his lack of hustle??? Anyway, he probably turns it around in a month or so, lol.

Then he shouldn't be playing, just like he shouldn't have come back for the playoffs.

I am however rooting for him to return to All-Star form just to witness the utter confusion.


If his boyfriend wasn‘t the coach, I‘d agree.
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Post#178 » by ohboy109 » Sun Nov 5, 2023 8:46 pm

Snacks wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
3toheadmelo wrote:jokic is one of the best offensive centers of all the time. KAT is not even close to his level.

sabonis has never made it out the 1st round of the playoffs.

Be better green arrow!!!

BE BETTER!!!


They dont understand that KAT is a liability overall despite the offense...thats how bad the defense is. In addition he's always hurt, AND he will make 60 million... to me its an easy no unless we give up marginal players.


Nobody wants KAT.
We're Knick fans and this is hell. We have to make a choice between horrible things we really don't want.



Nobody wants randle's low iq a** u crazy
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Post#179 » by Chanel Bomber » Sun Nov 5, 2023 10:23 pm

ScienceOfLosing wrote:
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ScienceOfLosing wrote:Heard on a podcast that Randles ankle is not fully healed (post surgery.) I think that explains why Randle is shooting so badly. But his lack of hustle??? Anyway, he probably turns it around in a month or so, lol.

Then he shouldn't be playing, just like he shouldn't have come back for the playoffs.

I am however rooting for him to return to All-Star form just to witness the utter confusion.


If his boyfriend wasn‘t the coach, I‘d agree.

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Post#180 » by HighRyzer83 » Mon Nov 6, 2023 8:49 pm

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Snacks wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
They dont understand that KAT is a liability overall despite the offense...thats how bad the defense is. In addition he's always hurt, AND he will make 60 million... to me its an easy no unless we give up marginal players.


Nobody wants KAT.
We're Knick fans and this is hell. We have to make a choice between horrible things we really don't want.



Nobody wants randle's low iq a** u crazy

Yeah I don't understand why there's any comparison between the two. Kat sucks on defense but not worse than randle. He's actually a better defender than randle. Already a 20/10 guy. Yes he's more expensive than randle, but that's because he's clearly better. In every way.

If the wolves are dumb enough to do a 1/1 swap, we'll be robbing them blind by unloading this sandbag on them.

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