Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

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[MoMan24]

I don't know what to make of the fact that Scottie is better than I expected and looks to have made a/the leap, yet the team is worse than I expected.

Maybe Scottie is playing 10% over his head (doesn't seem like it though?) and we got unlucky in a game or two (this much is certainly true).

We'll see how things even out, but I figured if Scottie plays at All-Star level we'll be a surprise top team in the East. It's like he's just switched roles and production with Siakam and the overall effect on the team is pretty minor.

Siakam's issue isn't scoring even though he is struggling in that regard too. It's doing everything else. Things that don't show up on the stat sheet. Things that help your team score or get open. Setting screens, moving off the ball properly, spacing correctly, boxing out. Making quick decisions with the ball, the right decisions more often than not. Being more aggressive on your opportunities. Playing more inspired and consistent defense. Siakam has clearly been and by a wide margin to me the weakest defender in our starting lineup and the guy who plays with the least amount of effort and hustle. When Masai talked about selfish basketball I think he meant forget about stats and just play the right way, for each other. The film doesn't lie and it's sad to watch him play at half speed. Sometimes it looks like I'm watch Boucher with the mistakes I see Siakam make way too often.

[Thaddy]

I don't know what to make of the fact that Scottie is better than I expected and looks to have made a/the leap, yet the team is worse than I expected.

Maybe Scottie is playing 10% over his head (doesn't seem like it though?) and we got unlucky in a game or two (this much is certainly true).

We'll see how things even out, but I figured if Scottie plays at All-Star level we'll be a surprise top team in the East. It's like he's just switched roles and production with Siakam and the overall effect on the team is pretty minor.

Siakam's issue isn't scoring even though he is struggling in that regard too. It's doing everything else. Things that don't show up on the stat sheet. Things that help your team score or get open. Setting screens, moving off the ball properly, spacing correctly, boxing out. Making quick decisions with the ball, the right decisions more often than not. Being more aggressive on your opportunities. Playing more inspired and consistent defense. Siakam has clearly been and by a wide margin to me the weakest defender in our starting lineup and the guy who plays with the least amount of effort and hustle. When Masai talked about selfish basketball I think he meant forget about stats and just play the right way, for each other. The film doesn't lie and it's sad to watch him play at half speed. Sometimes it looks like I'm watch Boucher with the mistakes I see Siakam make way too often.

I would say it's because Siakam isn't really being built around, he has to figure out how to fit with the others instead of them fitting with him.

The simplest solution is to put Schroder and Poeltl on the bench. They generate a great deal of offense which solves a couple of our Bench scoring problems. Then we put Siakam as the small ball 5 and run pick and pops with him and Trent Jr (best off bamm / movement shooting threat on the roster).

Siakam - Poeltl
Barnes - Achiuwa
OG - Porter/McDaniels
Dick - Flynn
Trent - Schroder

Siakam needs to pick and pop against centers and hit a couple of threes to set the tempo of the game. Then go one on one against their big and pass out of doubles to shooters and cutters.

We could run off ball actions to get the opposing rim protector on OG and then run pick and pops there too.

The key is to just surround Siakam and Barnes with more shooting.

[MoMan24]

I don't know what to make of the fact that Scottie is better than I expected and looks to have made a/the leap, yet the team is worse than I expected.

Maybe Scottie is playing 10% over his head (doesn't seem like it though?) and we got unlucky in a game or two (this much is certainly true).

We'll see how things even out, but I figured if Scottie plays at All-Star level we'll be a surprise top team in the East. It's like he's just switched roles and production with Siakam and the overall effect on the team is pretty minor.

Siakam's issue isn't scoring even though he is struggling in that regard too. It's doing everything else. Things that don't show up on the stat sheet. Things that help your team score or get open. Setting screens, moving off the ball properly, spacing correctly, boxing out. Making quick decisions with the ball, the right decisions more often than not. Being more aggressive on your opportunities. Playing more inspired and consistent defense. Siakam has clearly been and by a wide margin to me the weakest defender in our starting lineup and the guy who plays with the least amount of effort and hustle. When Masai talked about selfish basketball I think he meant forget about stats and just play the right way, for each other. The film doesn't lie and it's sad to watch him play at half speed. Sometimes it looks like I'm watch Boucher with the mistakes I see Siakam make way too often.

I would say it's because Siakam isn't really being built around, he has to figure out how to fit with the others instead of them fitting with him.

The simplest solution is to put Schroder and Poeltl on the bench. They generate a great deal of offense which solves a couple of our Bench scoring problems. Then we put Siakam as the small ball 5 and run pick and pops with him and Trent Jr (best off bamm / movement shooting threat on the roster).

Siakam - Poeltl
Barnes - Achiuwa
OG - Porter/McDaniels
Dick - Flynn
Trent - Schroder

Siakam needs to pick and pop against centers and hit a couple of threes to set the tempo of the game. Then go one on one against their big and pass out of doubles to shooters and cutters.

We could run off ball actions to get the opposing rim protector on OG and then run pick and pops there too.

The key is to just surround Siakam and Barnes with more shooting.

I agree the spacing is bad but Siakam can't play the 5 for the same reason Boucher can't. Nurse and now Darko have only used Scottie, Precious or OG to play the 5 or defend the 5 when Jakob and Koloko are out. Also Siakam simply is not a good enough player to build around. The stats will look nice but the impact, the efficiency, and the playmaking isn't enough to warrant being a centerpiece. I do think however he should have the ball more than Dennis and Jakob and moving Dennis to the bench solves two problems. It seems like if you don't build around Siakam and heavily feature him, his production and impact falls off a cliff. That's why teams value OG over him and Masai will too. RIP 2019 Siakam we hardly knew ye. Rip 2019 Fred too LOL

[HangTime]

I don't know what to make of the fact that Scottie is better than I expected and looks to have made a/the leap, yet the team is worse than I expected.

Maybe Scottie is playing 10% over his head (doesn't seem like it though?) and we got unlucky in a game or two (this much is certainly true).

We'll see how things even out, but I figured if Scottie plays at All-Star level we'll be a surprise top team in the East. It's like he's just switched roles and production with Siakam and the overall effect on the team is pretty minor.

Siakam's issue isn't scoring even though he is struggling in that regard too. It's doing everything else. Things that don't show up on the stat sheet. Things that help your team score or get open. Setting screens, moving off the ball properly, spacing correctly, boxing out. Making quick decisions with the ball, the right decisions more often than not. Being more aggressive on your opportunities. Playing more inspired and consistent defense. Siakam has clearly been and by a wide margin to me the weakest defender in our starting lineup and the guy who plays with the least amount of effort and hustle. When Masai talked about selfish basketball I think he meant forget about stats and just play the right way, for each other. The film doesn't lie and it's sad to watch him play at half speed. Sometimes it looks like I'm watch Boucher with the mistakes I see Siakam make way too often.

The thing that's frustrating, is that Pascal was doing all the little things well, before he broke out.

Stats wise, he's reverted back 2018/19, but it's like he forgot how to do all the little things as he became a bigger option.

Do you think he's trying to remember his old game, or just doesn't want to?

[HumbleRen]

I don't know what to make of the fact that Scottie is better than I expected and looks to have made a/the leap, yet the team is worse than I expected.

Maybe Scottie is playing 10% over his head (doesn't seem like it though?) and we got unlucky in a game or two (this much is certainly true).

We'll see how things even out, but I figured if Scottie plays at All-Star level we'll be a surprise top team in the East. It's like he's just switched roles and production with Siakam and the overall effect on the team is pretty minor.

Siakam's issue isn't scoring even though he is struggling in that regard too. It's doing everything else. Things that don't show up on the stat sheet. Things that help your team score or get open. Setting screens, moving off the ball properly, spacing correctly, boxing out. Making quick decisions with the ball, the right decisions more often than not. Being more aggressive on your opportunities. Playing more inspired and consistent defense. Siakam has clearly been and by a wide margin to me the weakest defender in our starting lineup and the guy who plays with the least amount of effort and hustle. When Masai talked about selfish basketball I think he meant forget about stats and just play the right way, for each other. The film doesn't lie and it's sad to watch him play at half speed. Sometimes it looks like I'm watch Boucher with the mistakes I see Siakam make way too often.

The thing that's frustrating, is that Pascal was doing all the little things well, before he broke out.

Stats wise, he's reverted back 2018/19, but it's like he forgot how to do all the little things as he became a bigger option.

Do you think he's trying to remember his old game, or just doesn't want to?

He’s a half a step slower compared to what he was in 2018-2019. Look at the tape, he was insanely quick back then.

The bigger issue is that he had all of the spacing on that championship team, virtually 0 on this team. Those driving lanes that were open for him are completely closed with this roster.

[MoMan24]

Siakam's issue isn't scoring even though he is struggling in that regard too. It's doing everything else. Things that don't show up on the stat sheet. Things that help your team score or get open. Setting screens, moving off the ball properly, spacing correctly, boxing out. Making quick decisions with the ball, the right decisions more often than not. Being more aggressive on your opportunities. Playing more inspired and consistent defense. Siakam has clearly been and by a wide margin to me the weakest defender in our starting lineup and the guy who plays with the least amount of effort and hustle. When Masai talked about selfish basketball I think he meant forget about stats and just play the right way, for each other. The film doesn't lie and it's sad to watch him play at half speed. Sometimes it looks like I'm watch Boucher with the mistakes I see Siakam make way too often.

The thing that's frustrating, is that Pascal was doing all the little things well, before he broke out.

Stats wise, he's reverted back 2018/19, but it's like he forgot how to do all the little things as he became a bigger option.

Do you think he's trying to remember his old game, or just doesn't want to?

He’s a half a step slower compared to what he was in 2018-2019. Look at the tape, he was insanely quick back then.

The bigger issue is that he had all of the spacing on that championship team, virtually 0 on this team. Those driving lanes that were open for him are completely closed with this roster.

This is why Scottie is so impressive. He is also playing without much room to work with. The difference is Scottie knows when to be aggressive, when to pass, he pushes the pace a lot more, makes much quicker decisions, sets screens on and off ball. Barnes is just on another level physically and mentally than Siakam. If I didn't know better I would think Scottie was the 8th year player, champion and All-NBA guy.

[anotherhomer]

Siakam's issue isn't scoring even though he is struggling in that regard too. It's doing everything else. Things that don't show up on the stat sheet. Things that help your team score or get open. Setting screens, moving off the ball properly, spacing correctly, boxing out. Making quick decisions with the ball, the right decisions more often than not. Being more aggressive on your opportunities. Playing more inspired and consistent defense. Siakam has clearly been and by a wide margin to me the weakest defender in our starting lineup and the guy who plays with the least amount of effort and hustle. When Masai talked about selfish basketball I think he meant forget about stats and just play the right way, for each other. The film doesn't lie and it's sad to watch him play at half speed. Sometimes it looks like I'm watch Boucher with the mistakes I see Siakam make way too often.

The thing that's frustrating, is that Pascal was doing all the little things well, before he broke out.

Stats wise, he's reverted back 2018/19, but it's like he forgot how to do all the little things as he became a bigger option.

Do you think he's trying to remember his old game, or just doesn't want to?

He’s a half a step slower compared to what he was in 2018-2019. Look at the tape, he was insanely quick back then.

The bigger issue is that he had all of the spacing on that championship team, virtually 0 on this team. Those driving lanes that were open for him are completely closed with this roster.

off-topic, but if he's visibly slowed down, isn't that why everyone wanted to trade someone who's game is clearly based on speed

a trade for Pascal for Lavine, Ivey or Benedict makes a lot of sense

[HumbleRen]

The thing that's frustrating, is that Pascal was doing all the little things well, before he broke out.

Stats wise, he's reverted back 2018/19, but it's like he forgot how to do all the little things as he became a bigger option.

Do you think he's trying to remember his old game, or just doesn't want to?

He’s a half a step slower compared to what he was in 2018-2019. Look at the tape, he was insanely quick back then.

The bigger issue is that he had all of the spacing on that championship team, virtually 0 on this team. Those driving lanes that were open for him are completely closed with this roster.

off-topic, but if he's visibly slowed down, isn't that why everyone wanted to trade someone who's game is clearly based on speed

a trade for Pascal for Lavine, Ivey or Benedict makes a lot of sense

The issue isn’t Siakam losing half a step, he’s a much better player than what he was in 2018-2019.

The main problem is, you need a specific roster built around Scottie and Siakam to make that duo fully optimized and we’ve done the opposite of that. We’re much better off flipping Siakam for a 3 level scoring lead guard.

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The thing that's frustrating, is that Pascal was doing all the little things well, before he broke out.

Stats wise, he's reverted back 2018/19, but it's like he forgot how to do all the little things as he became a bigger option.

Do you think he's trying to remember his old game, or just doesn't want to?

He’s a half a step slower compared to what he was in 2018-2019. Look at the tape, he was insanely quick back then.

The bigger issue is that he had all of the spacing on that championship team, virtually 0 on this team. Those driving lanes that were open for him are completely closed with this roster.

This is why Scottie is so impressive. He is also playing without much room to work with. The difference is Scottie knows when to be aggressive, when to pass, he pushes the pace a lot more, makes much quicker decisions, sets screens on and off ball. Barnes is just on another level physically and mentally than Siakam. If I didn't know better I would think Scottie was the 8th year player, champion and All-NBA guy.

Bingo, this is what I've been saying since game one this season. Siakam does not look like a guy with the accolades he has playing in his 8th year. I see too many people saying that Scottie and Siakam just flipped roles and that Scottie put up similar numbers in the same situation.

And while with zero context that's true (although Siakam is putting up similar numbers this year compared to Scottie last year on worse efficiency...) we're comparing an 8th year, 29 year old vet, in his prime, to an (at the time) 2nd year 21 year old kid. Like yeah, I expect one of those 2, to struggle, but it's not the guy in the league for 8 years with 2 ASG selections and 2 All-NBA selections that everyone defending him likes to keep touting.

Blame it on the system, him adjusting, the minutes from the last 2 years, or anything you feel like. At the end of the day him performing this poorly is inexcusable. And even worse when compared to a 22 year old being given the keys for the first time in his career. I can't find any stats yet showing how many of his possessions have been double teamed this season, but based on watching all the games, he is not facing the same defensive pressure as he did in years past, so it's not like his game is suffering from that.

[anotherhomer]

He’s a half a step slower compared to what he was in 2018-2019. Look at the tape, he was insanely quick back then.

The bigger issue is that he had all of the spacing on that championship team, virtually 0 on this team. Those driving lanes that were open for him are completely closed with this roster.

off-topic, but if he's visibly slowed down, isn't that why everyone wanted to trade someone who's game is clearly based on speed

a trade for Pascal for Lavine, Ivey or Benedict makes a lot of sense

The issue isn’t Siakam losing half a step, he’s a much better player than what he was in 2018-2019.

The main problem is, you need a specific roster built around Scottie and Siakam to make that duo fully optimized and we’ve done the opposite of that. We’re much better off flipping Siakam for a 3 level scoring lead guard.

That 3 lvl scoring guard doesn't exist

[HumbleRen]

off-topic, but if he's visibly slowed down, isn't that why everyone wanted to trade someone who's game is clearly based on speed

a trade for Pascal for Lavine, Ivey or Benedict makes a lot of sense

The issue isn’t Siakam losing half a step, he’s a much better player than what he was in 2018-2019.

The main problem is, you need a specific roster built around Scottie and Siakam to make that duo fully optimized and we’ve done the opposite of that. We’re much better off flipping Siakam for a 3 level scoring lead guard.

That 3 lvl scoring guard doesn't exist

Immanuel Quickley is that. We gotta find one because that’s the biggest hole that we have.

[anotherhomer]

The issue isn’t Siakam losing half a step, he’s a much better player than what he was in 2018-2019.

The main problem is, you need a specific roster built around Scottie and Siakam to make that duo fully optimized and we’ve done the opposite of that. We’re much better off flipping Siakam for a 3 level scoring lead guard.

That 3 lvl scoring guard doesn't exist

Immanuel Quickley is that. We gotta find one because that’s the biggest hole that we have.

3-way deal
towns to knicks
pascal to wolves
IQ, fillers , picks to Raps?

only problem is raps and knicks hate each other

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Barnes just unlocked his super sayian in this game.

[tanuki1031]

Dude legit went through the Kawhi learned to shoot arc without the long 2 shot diet. His 3pt shooting has been smooth.

[KillMonger]

Magic fan here, love the way scottie is looking so far... Last season I didn't think it was due to lack of ability just focus.... It seems his focus is back and he's looking great

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