I've seen enough, bench fultz start black

[Audi]

One issue with this laughably small sample size is that we’ve only seen Black when Paolo and Franz have been balling at their best. How’s he going to look on a night when they are struggling? If we need the next man up to go out and get a bucket, is he that guy? If we get rid of Fultz (who can go get a bucket), are we then passing the torch to Cole and Suggs? Are they those guys? If we bring in another PG who can be that, what’s that mean for AB? If we bring in another SG for that role, what’s that mean for Suggs?

AB (and the team in general) typically get a 17-20 game window from me before formulating my opinions but I am certainly happy with what I’ve seen, surprised even. Regardless, I need to see much, much more.

I’m happy with Mose’s stated plan that nobody is going to be gifted minutes and will need to earn them. I see nothing wrong with Black and Fultz competing for the starting spot, so long as it’s being earned via performance.

We have a big enough sample size of Paolo playing with Fultz vs without him to know that Fultz hurts Paolo's game:

Paolo playing with Fultz: 18.8 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 3.8 apg, 41.6 FG%, 30.0 3PT FG% in 62 games
Paolo playing without Fultz: 23.4 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 4.0 apg, 47.9 FG%, 29.8 3PT FG% in 16 games

Highly flawed conclusion to reach with these numbers. Simply the absence of Fultz gives Paolo higher usg% and fga, so the bump is expected. FG% easily skewed by Paolo’s own slumps or are you going to really try to convince me that Fultz was responsible for Paolo shooting 3% from 3 in Feb last season?

[basketballRob]

AB was also pretty decent at setting picks.

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[Bensational]

We don’t need changes to the roster yet as far as trades or whatever. I’m confident that will resolve itself organically internally.

Ideally we shouldn’t have needed injuries to try some different lineups out early in the season either, but here we are and we’ve got guys who have stepped up the occasion. We need to keep those pathways open to the guys we’ve got.

[IllMagic04]

In the two game that Black has played it has shown that he can do what Fultz in all the years has been in Orlando plus more (which is shoot the three).

I really don't care about the playoffs, I would rather see this team grow. And if the organization feels the same. And if the magic do make the playoffs this year, they likely aren't going far anyway. I would rather give Black some burn. And if these losses and wins have shown us anything making the playoffs will not be dependent on someone like Fultz but how well Franz and especially Paolo play.

You are literally jumping to conclusions over an extremely small sample size and even admit you are basing it on TWO WHOLE GAMES. Also your statement isn’t even remotely true. Black hasn’t shown he can run the offense, he spent most of tonight playing off ball. He hasn’t shown he can create his own shot, all of his buckets are being set up by the playmaking of his teammates. Claiming Black to already be better at shooting threes is crazy too. Black is every bit a questionable shooter as Fultz. Bro makes a couple wide open corner threes and all of a sudden he’s a shooter.

While we are overreacting to one game sample sizes against the Lakers then I may as well throw this in there…

https://youtu.be/UW0EBdPHE_4?si=H1wgykdSzv7f_1rg

Fultz can't shoot, lol. The few shots he has taken from distance literally haven't hit rim, lol. Black is easily the better shooter. The thing is that the magic don't need Black to run the offense it's going to run through Paolo and Franz. From what we can see it's better that way.

I like how you presented a clip from almost 4 years ago, lol.

How about one from last year

https://youtu.be/q84bVgsCXGs?si=aQaEufSIy1ypyA3l

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[Rainwater]

You are literally jumping to conclusions over an extremely small sample size and even admit you are basing it on TWO WHOLE GAMES. Also your statement isn’t even remotely true. Black hasn’t shown he can run the offense, he spent most of tonight playing off ball. He hasn’t shown he can create his own shot, all of his buckets are being set up by the playmaking of his teammates. Claiming Black to already be better at shooting threes is crazy too. Black is every bit a questionable shooter as Fultz. Bro makes a couple wide open corner threes and all of a sudden he’s a shooter.

While we are overreacting to one game sample sizes against the Lakers then I may as well throw this in there…

https://youtu.be/UW0EBdPHE_4?si=H1wgykdSzv7f_1rg

Fultz can't shoot, lol. The few shots he has taken from distance literally haven't hit rim, lol. Black is easily the better shooter. The thing is that the magic don't need Black to run the offense it's going to run through Paolo and Franz. From what we can see it's better that way.

I like how you presented a clip from almost 4 years ago, lol.

How about one from last year

https://youtu.be/q84bVgsCXGs?si=aQaEufSIy1ypyA3l

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So you have to go back 10 months to find a game where he hit 3 three pointers lol. You aren’t helping your argument.

[VFX]

You are literally jumping to conclusions over an extremely small sample size and even admit you are basing it on TWO WHOLE GAMES. Also your statement isn’t even remotely true. Black hasn’t shown he can run the offense, he spent most of tonight playing off ball. He hasn’t shown he can create his own shot, all of his buckets are being set up by the playmaking of his teammates. Claiming Black to already be better at shooting threes is crazy too. Black is every bit a questionable shooter as Fultz. Bro makes a couple wide open corner threes and all of a sudden he’s a shooter.

While we are overreacting to one game sample sizes against the Lakers then I may as well throw this in there…

https://youtu.be/UW0EBdPHE_4?si=H1wgykdSzv7f_1rg

Fultz can't shoot, lol. The few shots he has taken from distance literally haven't hit rim, lol. Black is easily the better shooter. The thing is that the magic don't need Black to run the offense it's going to run through Paolo and Franz. From what we can see it's better that way.

I like how you presented a clip from almost 4 years ago, lol.

How about one from last year

https://youtu.be/q84bVgsCXGs?si=aQaEufSIy1ypyA3l

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So AB replicates what Fultz does in 7 years in his first game as a starter?

Don’t think that’s the gotcha you think it is. Lol

[IllMagic04]

Fultz can't shoot, lol. The few shots he has taken from distance literally haven't hit rim, lol. Black is easily the better shooter. The thing is that the magic don't need Black to run the offense it's going to run through Paolo and Franz. From what we can see it's better that way.

I like how you presented a clip from almost 4 years ago, lol.

How about one from last year

https://youtu.be/q84bVgsCXGs?si=aQaEufSIy1ypyA3l

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So you have to go back 10 months to find a game where he hit 3 three pointers lol. You aren’t helping your argument.

The point is sample size. I'm not saying Fultz can hit 3s. I'm just not sold that Black can hit them either. One game where he hit 2 3's does not mean he's a dead eye shooter no more than the day after Fultz hit those in that game. Currently there's more evidence that he can't then he can. Hopefully we can still find minutes for him so we can expand the sample size.

[IllMagic04]

Fultz can't shoot, lol. The few shots he has taken from distance literally haven't hit rim, lol. Black is easily the better shooter. The thing is that the magic don't need Black to run the offense it's going to run through Paolo and Franz. From what we can see it's better that way.

I like how you presented a clip from almost 4 years ago, lol.

How about one from last year

https://youtu.be/q84bVgsCXGs?si=aQaEufSIy1ypyA3l

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So AB replicates what Fultz does in 7 years in his first game as a starter?

Don’t think that’s the gotcha you think it is. Lol

Its one game. Sample size. The point is the day after that game I posted Im sure people were over reacting calling Fultz Steph Curry. Yesterday was a great game but you don't make big decisions off one game.

[Hoopslife]

One issue with this laughably small sample size is that we’ve only seen Black when Paolo and Franz have been balling at their best. How’s he going to look on a night when they are struggling? If we need the next man up to go out and get a bucket, is he that guy? If we get rid of Fultz (who can go get a bucket), are we then passing the torch to Cole and Suggs? Are they those guys? If we bring in another PG who can be that, what’s that mean for AB? If we bring in another SG for that role, what’s that mean for Suggs?

AB (and the team in general) typically get a 17-20 game window from me before formulating my opinions but I am certainly happy with what I’ve seen, surprised even. Regardless, I need to see much, much more.

I’m happy with Mose’s stated plan that nobody is going to be gifted minutes and will need to earn them. I see nothing wrong with Black and Fultz competing for the starting spot, so long as it’s being earned via performance.

We have a big enough sample size of Paolo playing with Fultz vs without him to know that Fultz hurts Paolo's game:

Paolo playing with Fultz: 18.8 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 3.8 apg, 41.6 FG%, 30.0 3PT FG% in 62 games
Paolo playing without Fultz: 23.4 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 4.0 apg, 47.9 FG%, 29.8 3PT FG% in 16 games

Highly flawed conclusion to reach with these numbers. Simply the absence of Fultz gives Paolo higher usg% and fga, so the bump is expected. FG% easily skewed by Paolo’s own slumps or are you going to really try to convince me that Fultz was responsible for Paolo shooting 3% from 3 in Feb last season?

Just watch the games. Go back to Portland where Paolo brings the ball up, gives it to Fultz and goes and sits in the corner. Against the Lakers his usage was much higher. He was the player getting the ball passed to him at the top of the 3 point line. Yeah, usage matters just like spacing matters. And it's clear that Paolo plays better when he has a higher usage. He's not a great off-ball player yet.

[Hoopslife]

We have a big enough sample size of Paolo playing with Fultz vs without him to know that Fultz hurts Paolo's game:

Paolo playing with Fultz: 18.8 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 3.8 apg, 41.6 FG%, 30.0 3PT FG% in 62 games
Paolo playing without Fultz: 23.4 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 4.0 apg, 47.9 FG%, 29.8 3PT FG% in 16 games

Highly flawed conclusion to reach with these numbers. Simply the absence of Fultz gives Paolo higher usg% and fga, so the bump is expected. FG% easily skewed by Paolo’s own slumps or are you going to really try to convince me that Fultz was responsible for Paolo shooting 3% from 3 in Feb last season?

Just watch the games. Go back to Portland where Paolo brings the ball up, gives it to Fultz and goes and sits in the corner. Against the Lakers his usage was much higher. He was the player getting the ball passed to him at the top of the 3 point line. Yeah, usage matters just like spacing matters. And it's clear that Paolo plays better when he has a higher usage. He's not a great off-ball player yet.

Also, don't hit me with the February slump when both samples have him shooting 30% from three.

[Audi]

We have a big enough sample size of Paolo playing with Fultz vs without him to know that Fultz hurts Paolo's game:

Paolo playing with Fultz: 18.8 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 3.8 apg, 41.6 FG%, 30.0 3PT FG% in 62 games
Paolo playing without Fultz: 23.4 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 4.0 apg, 47.9 FG%, 29.8 3PT FG% in 16 games

Highly flawed conclusion to reach with these numbers. Simply the absence of Fultz gives Paolo higher usg% and fga, so the bump is expected. FG% easily skewed by Paolo’s own slumps or are you going to really try to convince me that Fultz was responsible for Paolo shooting 3% from 3 in Feb last season?

Just watch the games. Go back to Portland where Paolo brings the ball up, gives it to Fultz and goes and sits in the corner. Against the Lakers his usage was much higher. He was the player getting the ball passed to him at the top of the 3 point line. Yeah, usage matters just like spacing matters. And it's clear that Paolo plays better when he has a higher usage. He's not a great off-ball player yet.

Also, don't hit me with the February slump when both samples have him shooting 30% from three.

Why would I not hit you with the Feb slump - is it not being a calculated factor into his FG% and point totals, which you are trying to use as a reason Fultz ‘hurts his game’?

[Skybox]

Even if neither can shoot 3’s…I start Black now. He brings so much more to the table plus the likelihood he improves isn’t based on years of nothing.

[basketballRob]

DLo was 10-14 in the LA game and 4-17 last night and appeared that Black was guarding him most of the time.

It seems like DLo always plays well against Markelle.

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[ogmagicfan]

One reason for why Anthony Black looks better with the starting lineup, is there's less offensive pressure/load on him.

It's probably less stressful for him to start than it is for him to come off the bench

[CarraT]

Highly flawed conclusion to reach with these numbers. Simply the absence of Fultz gives Paolo higher usg% and fga, so the bump is expected. FG% easily skewed by Paolo’s own slumps or are you going to really try to convince me that Fultz was responsible for Paolo shooting 3% from 3 in Feb last season?

Just watch the games. Go back to Portland where Paolo brings the ball up, gives it to Fultz and goes and sits in the corner. Against the Lakers his usage was much higher. He was the player getting the ball passed to him at the top of the 3 point line. Yeah, usage matters just like spacing matters. And it's clear that Paolo plays better when he has a higher usage. He's not a great off-ball player yet.

Also, don't hit me with the February slump when both samples have him shooting 30% from three.

Why would I not hit you with the Feb slump - is it not being a calculated factor into his FG% and point totals, which you are trying to use as a reason Fultz ‘hurts his game’?

You could definitely argue that Fultz being on the floor destroys spacing and therefore makes the game that Paolo loves to play, driving to the basket, a lot harder. This would explain the drop in points and FG% with Fultz on the floor, while his 3P% stays the same, cause bad spacing doesnt effects this.

[Redwood]

Fultz can't shoot 3's, is maybe the worst player in the entire league at drawing fouls (in an era where it's the easiest it has ever been), doesn't defend well, and can't stay healthy. How this guy is still getting minutes on an NBA team is beyond me, unfortunately it happens to be for us (when he can stay healthy, which is rare).

I'm all for ANYONE taking this guys minutes.

[KillMonger]

It kind of surprised me that Fultz and the FO wasn't able to come to a deal which makes me think they are far apart on the numbers......Add to the fact that they selected a PG when they didn't have to, there were other options...... Add once again that the player is showing flashes of his potential right now and not later....

Add once again that Fultz is dealing with yet another injury.....dont know what that equals just yet but it all depends on the numbers.... Imo he shouldn't get that much more than Cole.....if the numbers don't add up then I'd think we'd be OK with AB on his rookie scale contract.....we all like Fultz but some people are a little too protective of him and it prevents people from being objective.....

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[MasterGMer]

Black indeed played better than Fultz in his limited minutes, especially 3pt shooting and defense.

But I am waiting to see what Fultz will keep bringing when he comes back from rest. I am not posting this because I am a Fultz fan. But because I think his experience and other attributes might benefit this team better than Black right now

[eyriq]

Black indeed played better than Fultz in his limited minutes, especially 3pt shooting and defense.

But I am waiting to see what Fultz will keep bringing when he comes back from rest. I am not posting this because I am a Fultz fan. But because I think his experience and other attributes might benefit this team better than Black right now

The fact that who is better is even debatable is all we need to know.

Black already has everything else to his advantage. More upside, cheaper, and locked up long-term. Possibly already better as a rookie to boot?

Queue Vince Carter, this is over

[basketballRob]

I got the feeling in the post-game press conference that Paolo preferred AB in the SL.

I wanted us to pick AB because I felt like his personality would mesh well with the team. He has football in common with Paolo and Suggs. And all 3 are mixed race.

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