Miami Heat 2023/2024 Training Camp and Regular Season Thread

[twix2500]

The area the Heat are struggling is around the rim and in the paint between 5 to 9 feet. Scoring at the lowest percentage the past 5 yrs at 29%

Previous Season 5 to 9 ft the Heat we're 46%

[twix2500]

Bam Adebayo mid rangers 10 to 19 ft is shooting 48%. Around the rim 5 to 9 feet is shooting 28%
Tyler Herro mid rangers 10 to 19 ft is shooting 46%. Around the rim 5 to 9 ft is shooting 40%.

[AirP.]

Miami Offensive and Defensive Ratings w/Pace year by year since the bubble season.

2019-20
OffRtg 111.9, DefRtg 109.3, Pace 98.7

2020-21
OffRtg 110.6, DefRtg 110.7, Pace 97.1

2021-22
OffRtg 113.0, DefRtg 108.4, Pace 96.5

2022-23
OffRtg 112.3, DefRtg 112.8, Pace 96.7

2023-24
OffRtg 107.2, DefRtg 110.9, Pace 100.6

Nice numbers, to add to those.

The average calculated ORTG has dropped this year so far for the entire league as you noted with just the non calculated ORTG.

Year, NBA calculate ORTG, Miami ORTG

20 - 110.6, 112.5 (Robinson's .684 TS% carried them, Bam near .6 TS% and Butler at .585 TS%)
21 - 112.3, 111.2 (Robinson's .628 TS%, Bam at .626 and Butler at .607)
22 - 112.0, 113.7 (Strus .614 TS%, Martin .611, Bam .608, Lowry .6, Tucker .593, Butler .592)
23 - 114.8, 113.0 (Butler .647 TS% carried the teams efficiency, Bam .592)
24 - 111.7, 107.7 (Robinson .603 TS%, Bam .576, Herro .570, Lowry .569)

Low data so far but had Herro not had that 8 for 23 game his current TS% would be .584.

League averages by year are here...
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_stats_per_game.html

[MorbidHEAT]

In a small sample size, Duncan has returned to 21-22 form

Duncan is looking really good out there! His movement and play is perfect for opening up lanes for others!

Turns out that the team was too small for both Strus and Duncan. Duncan falling to Covid and Strus exploding as his replacement is the worst thing that ever happened to his career.

[Bishop45]

Low buy if we're still fishing for offensive talent to try to save this core. A 25 and 10 scorer last year that we could get without mentioning Herro

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[AirP.]

Low buy if we're still fishing for offensive talent to try to save this core. A 25 and 10 scorer last year that we could get without mentioning Herro

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[AirP.]

Come on, who thought this was a good idea?

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[Bishop45]

Low buy if we're still fishing for offensive talent to try to save this core. A 25 and 10 scorer last year that we could get without mentioning Herro

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I'm a protopian thinker-- the positives would outweigh the negatives. We can get a player capable of 25 and 10 for our least cared for assets, which would easily make us better-- why does it have to be more trivial than that?

Majority of the folks here wouldn't do Harden for Lowry, even though he's twice the player, because of 'culture'

Now we can't go after another talented player that might cost nothing because of a few twitter clips. Hella choosy with no assets

[AirP.]

Low buy if we're still fishing for offensive talent to try to save this core. A 25 and 10 scorer last year that we could get without mentioning Herro

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I'm a protopian thinker-- the positives would outweigh the negatives. We can get a player capable of 25 and 10 for our least cared for assets, which would easily make us better-- why does it have to be more trivial than that?

Majority of the folks here wouldn't do Harden for Lowry, even though he's twice the player, because of 'culture'

Now we can't go after another talented player that might cost nothing because of a few twitter clips. Hella choosy with no assets

A few twitter clips? It's because of nearly his whole career. Those were the first 2 clips that came up, it's not like he hasn't had a history of being this way, but to me he just isn't talented enough to take that risk for Miami. I get people wanting Harden because in spurts he can carry a team against the top teams in the league like he did last playoffs against Boston, but that's may not be a regular thing in his current stage of his career but who knows, maybe that has more to do with the system he's had to play in Brooklyn and Philly, we shall see. I would have been ok trading for Harden, not ok with Randle.

The better the talent, the more you can give up some of your requirements but this isn't a guy to do that with. If you think Spoelstra can get through to him and get him to give a **** when he's not the focal point, go for it.

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[twix2500]

How about... no.

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I'm a protopian thinker-- the positives would outweigh the negatives. We can get a player capable of 25 and 10 for our least cared for assets, which would easily make us better-- why does it have to be more trivial than that?

Majority of the folks here wouldn't do Harden for Lowry, even though he's twice the player, because of 'culture'

Now we can't go after another talented player that might cost nothing because of a few twitter clips. Hella choosy with no assets

A few twitter clips? It's because of nearly his whole career. Those were the first 2 clips that came up, it's not like he hasn't had a history of being this way, but to me he just isn't talented enough to take that risk for Miami. I get people wanting Harden because in spurts he can carry a team against the top teams in the league like he did last playoffs against Boston, but that's may not be a regular thing in his current stage of his career but who knows, maybe that has more to do with the system he's had to play in Brooklyn and Philly, we shall see. I would have been ok trading for Harden, not ok with Randle.

The better the talent, the more you can give up some of your requirements but this isn't a guy to do that with. If you think Spoelstra can get through to him and get him to give a **** when he's not the focal point, go for it.

Here's a few more to go with those couple of clips of Randle. There's way more than just a couple of clips.

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I have no problem getting Randle if he is ok with being a sixth man and they can get Quickley also.

[Wiltside]

Come on, who thought this was a good idea?

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Gonna look pretty brutal when we’re getting our ass kicked at home, that’s for sure.

[AirP.]

I have no problem getting Randle if he is ok with being a sixth man and they can get Quickley also.

Yeah... I'm not sure that'll work for him.

Quickly was available for a 1st early last year.

The Knicks have discussed with other teams various types of Quickley-related deals. In discussions where the 23-year-old is the standalone piece going out, New York has targeted a future first-round pick, league sources said.

https://theathletic.com/3977210/2022/12/07/knicks-trade-immanuel-quickly-cam-reddish-evan-fournier/

[dshearn]

How about... no.

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I'm a protopian thinker-- the positives would outweigh the negatives. We can get a player capable of 25 and 10 for our least cared for assets, which would easily make us better-- why does it have to be more trivial than that?

Majority of the folks here wouldn't do Harden for Lowry, even though he's twice the player, because of 'culture'

Now we can't go after another talented player that might cost nothing because of a few twitter clips. Hella choosy with no assets

A few twitter clips? It's because of nearly his whole career. Those were the first 2 clips that came up, it's not like he hasn't had a history of being this way, but to me he just isn't talented enough to take that risk for Miami. I get people wanting Harden because in spurts he can carry a team against the top teams in the league like he did last playoffs against Boston, but that's may not be a regular thing in his current stage of his career but who knows, maybe that has more to do with the system he's had to play in Brooklyn and Philly, we shall see. I would have been ok trading for Harden, not ok with Randle.

The better the talent, the more you can give up some of your requirements but this isn't a guy to do that with. If you think Spoelstra can get through to him and get him to give a **** when he's not the focal point, go for it.

Here's a few more to go with those couple of clips of Randle. There's way more than just a couple of clips.

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I am personally fine watching the young dudes take over this year, I could not watch some dude walk up and down the court not a care in the world...

Even with a guy like Duncan, at least he hustles his tail off. I dont know if anyone moves more on offense and defense then him. All effort....sucks a lot....but the effort is there. Don't want nothing to do with a dude who cant even bother to try.

[VaDe255]

Randle!? No, thank you. Our roster is fine and we're banking on growth from our players.

Herro is top 20 SG/PG in the league right now, has to keep the level up and work on his shot selection, if we can get efficient scoring from him and better playmaking we're set
Bam needs to put more pressure on the rim, looks good so far as he is drawing more fouls and scoring numbers are up
Jimmy can coast, just needs to be there when we need him to pull out a W, so far he isn't so slightly dissapointing.
Highsmith looks like our starting PF, good defense, makes few mistakes and looks like his 3p shot is way improved, shooting it with confidence this year.

Caleb, Duncan, Love, Lowry, JJJ, Jovic, Bryant, JRich is a great supporting cast, that said it might get worse before it gets better, but once they figure it out this team is better than last year.

The only trades I really like is smth. like OG or Lauri for Duncan and all our picks(3)/swaps(2) or what is adequate. It would fix our cap space problems and give the Heat another high impact player that fits well with Herro/Bam while improving the chance to compete in Jimmy window.

[dean456]

The Heat need to try get TJ Mcconell a Buddy/McConell for Lowry works but you would have to throw in assets.

A move I think to keep an eye on is Coby White and DeRozan.

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Assuming Coby White is starting in that scenario, I really wouldn't like the shooting in that starting lineup. Herro would be the only competent shooter in the starters.

I think the best realistic option for us would be something like Lowry, Duncan and Jovic for Monte Morris, Bogdanovic and Harris.

Monte and Bogdanovic are currently not playing for Detroit and Harris has only played limited mins for them. All three are in their late 20's-early 30's and don't fit Detroit's timeline.

All three guys are on expiring contracts (Bogi only 2mil guaranteed) so we can bring them in to help this year and have flexibility to reconstruct the team around our 3 main guys and Jaquez next season as we'll have roughly 30-65mil coming off our books depending on what we do with Bogdanovic's non guaranteed salary and who picks up their PO's out of JRich, KLove, Bryant and Caleb.

[dean456]

Herro made a jump t looks like.

Bam and jimmy are proven studs.

Jaquez, highsmith and Bryant look very solid. Duncan playing well too.

The move to make is get rid of Unbearable Lowry and add a real scoring PG. Maybe Terry rozier, there are a lot of available upgrades out there - most backup guards are better then Lowry.

get a good guard next to Herro, Jimmy, Highsmith and Bam and this team can take off.

we have depth, but we lack a legit PG.

I don't think we necessarily need a "scoring PG". I think Rozier likes to shoot a little too much. I think we just need someone who is a legitimate threat and fits in with Herro, Jimmy and Bam. That's why I like guys like Tyus Jones, Monte Morris or Tre Jones. Guys who can give you 10-12ppg and 5-6apg while shooting a good percentage.

Monte Morris - 27mpg, 10.3ppg, 3.4rpg, 5.3apg, 0.7spg, 1TOs, 48FG%, 38 3pt%
Tyus Jones - 26mpg, 10.3ppg, 2.2rpg, 5.6apg, 1.0spg, 1.4TO's, 52FG%, 38 3pt%
Tre Jones - 29mpg - 9.8ppg, 4.0rpg, 6.2apg, 1.0spg, 1.2TOs, 46FG% and 38 3pt%

These seem like the type of guys Miami would target for that role.

[dean456]

Man Oubre and Wood have been so good to start the season, they would’ve been huge pick ups

Yeah I was shocked the Heat didn't want them in particular Oubre when the Heat don't have a player of his body type/athletic ability on the roster. Borderline starter/6th man for minimum.....

Huh the Heat have Caleb, Jaquez and Highsmith all similar builds

I wanted Oubre but I understand they were stacked in that role. It would be redundant. You also have to understand how he would be utilized here.

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I disagree, Caleb, Jaquez and Highsmith are nice but they aren't the same build as Oubre. Oubre's can flat out score the ball. Martin is nice but outside of his great ECFs he's been a solid scorer for us at best, Jaquez still unpolished and Highsmith offense is limited to open spot up threes and assisted layups of cuts to the basket.

What I would give to have a guy off the bench giving us 21ppg shooting 53FG% and 45% from 3. He's also gotten to the rim on 33% of his FG attempts so far which this team desperately lacking.

Not picking him up was a mistake. Especially when you consider that Philly a conference rival picked him up and he's a big part of why that team hasn't fallen off which most expected with losing Harden and not making many additions prior to that.

[IceColdCubano]

I will say this, If Herro is playing this aggressive and improving his efficiency. I would like Bam Adebayo to go back to his 20-10 with Dpoy level defense, looking at his advanced metrics he just is not playing with the the defense that we all know about him, he is scoring at a higher clip sure, his mid game looks improved but his rebounding is lower, and his defensive metrics are subpar as well. I think the extra energy he expels is better used if its focused on pure defense, god knows this team needs it.

[MorbidHEAT]

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Holy hell...I thought the jersey was bad...but this ish gets worse.

[Kobewade11]

I will say this, If Herro is playing this aggressive and improving his efficiency. I would like Bam Adebayo to go back to his 20-10 with Dpoy level defense, looking at his advanced metrics he just is not playing with the the defense that we all know about him, he is scoring at a higher clip sure, his mid game looks improved but his rebounding is lower, and his defensive metrics are subpar as well. I think the extra energy he expels is better used if its focused on pure defense, god knows this team needs it.

Im a big believer in the eye test over so called advanced metrics. I have not seen any drop off from Bam defensively.