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Post#321 » by Pachinko_ » Mon Nov 6, 2023 3:33 am

DwayneSchintzus wrote:If this was the NBA Finals and we needed to win four of the next seven games, I think he would shoot fewer threes.

But this is his sixth career game. The thought is that he will get better over time.

Kevin Durant shot 29% from 3 as a rookie. Do you really think he should have quit shooting them?

Yeah but KD was shooting 40% in college, he was drafted for that reason, it was obvious that with time he would eventually return to his mean. Wemby just continues to be what he always was before the NBA, a 30% shooter.

Anyway it doesn't matter so much for a team that is (probably?) not really playing for anything right now, I just mentioned it because I feel the expectations are kind of unjustified WRT shooting anyway.
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Post#322 » by Vampirate » Mon Nov 6, 2023 3:39 am

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DwayneSchintzus wrote:If this was the NBA Finals and we needed to win four of the next seven games, I think he would shoot fewer threes.

But this is his sixth career game. The thought is that he will get better over time.

Kevin Durant shot 29% from 3 as a rookie. Do you really think he should have quit shooting them?

Yeah but KD was shooting 40% in college, he was drafted for that reason, it was obvious that with time he would eventually return to his mean. Wemby just continues to be what he always was before the NBA, a 30% shooter.

Anyway it doesn't matter so much for a team that is (probably?) not really playing for anything right now, I just mentioned it because I feel the expectations are kind of unjustified WRT shooting anyway.


Nothing is really written in stone until probably year 5 for a player.

For all we know, Wemby could make himself one of the greatest shooters of all time. People forget how bad Kawhi's shot was in college.
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Post#323 » by zimpy27 » Mon Nov 6, 2023 3:51 am

Pachinko_ wrote:So basically the Spurs Ex-Wemby shoot nearly 40% from 3.
If that is the case, I don't understand why they would shoot 5 three pointers through Wemby who shoots 31%.
I mean I know that it looks extremely impressive to watch a nearly 8 foot guy getting up from 3 with such a nice form, but it also has to make sense, doesn't it?

Same goes for Giannis BTW.

And the reason why I'm going on about it is that Wemby never actually was a good 3 point shooter, that much was known before the draft. It looks good, but he doesn't actually make enough of them. And this is why the KD comparisons were always irrelevant. Different kind of player, he can have a massive impact offensively in so many different ways.

I would ask him to just take the wide open ones so the D doesn't sag off him. Which is 1-2 a game.



31% is ok.. It's enough for him to have confidence to keep taking them IMO. That's an eFG% of 46.9% for 3s.

Wemby is hitting 45.6% on non-dunk 2s also.. So the eFG% is slightly higher for 3 than it is for non-dunk 2s (lay-ups, midrange, tip ins).

He does get fouled on the interior though and his main TS% boost is coming from FT. He should be looking to get fouled more IMO but I understand it probably takes a toll on his body.

Right now the ratio of 3s to 2s is fint IMO. A prime Wemby is probably working inside more and drawing double the FTA's he is now (Embiid range).
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Post#324 » by Exp0sed » Mon Nov 6, 2023 8:03 am

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DwayneSchintzus wrote:If this was the NBA Finals and we needed to win four of the next seven games, I think he would shoot fewer threes.

But this is his sixth career game. The thought is that he will get better over time.

Kevin Durant shot 29% from 3 as a rookie. Do you really think he should have quit shooting them?

Yeah but KD was shooting 40% in college, he was drafted for that reason, it was obvious that with time he would eventually return to his mean. Wemby just continues to be what he always was before the NBA, a 30% shooter.

Anyway it doesn't matter so much for a team that is (probably?) not really playing for anything right now, I just mentioned it because I feel the expectations are kind of unjustified WRT shooting anyway.


this isn't 2010, him taking those shots is imperative for opening up the game and creating space for himself and his teammaes, not to mention his shooting form looks fine and he's just 19

this is the time for him to take plenty of 3's, get alot of in-game reps in, see where his spots are and perfect his release
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Post#325 » by Pachinko_ » Mon Nov 6, 2023 8:06 am

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DwayneSchintzus wrote:If this was the NBA Finals and we needed to win four of the next seven games, I think he would shoot fewer threes.

But this is his sixth career game. The thought is that he will get better over time.

Kevin Durant shot 29% from 3 as a rookie. Do you really think he should have quit shooting them?

Yeah but KD was shooting 40% in college, he was drafted for that reason, it was obvious that with time he would eventually return to his mean. Wemby just continues to be what he always was before the NBA, a 30% shooter.

Anyway it doesn't matter so much for a team that is (probably?) not really playing for anything right now, I just mentioned it because I feel the expectations are kind of unjustified WRT shooting anyway.


this isn't 2010, him taking those shots is imperative for opening up the game and creating space for himself and his teammaes, not to mention his shooting form looks fine and he's just 19

this is the time for him to take plenty of 3's, get alot of in-game reps in, see where his spots are and perfect his release

As long as not making them doesnt matter then it's all good. It's not my team :D
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Post#326 » by Exp0sed » Mon Nov 6, 2023 9:21 am

Pachinko_ wrote:
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Pachinko_ wrote:Yeah but KD was shooting 40% in college, he was drafted for that reason, it was obvious that with time he would eventually return to his mean. Wemby just continues to be what he always was before the NBA, a 30% shooter.

Anyway it doesn't matter so much for a team that is (probably?) not really playing for anything right now, I just mentioned it because I feel the expectations are kind of unjustified WRT shooting anyway.


this isn't 2010, him taking those shots is imperative for opening up the game and creating space for himself and his teammaes, not to mention his shooting form looks fine and he's just 19

this is the time for him to take plenty of 3's, get alot of in-game reps in, see where his spots are and perfect his release

As long as not making them doesnt matter then it's all good. It's not my team :D


well it's a small sample either way but isn't he at like 32% rn? that's almost 1 point per shot and don't forget there's some frequency of missed 3's leading to offensive rebounds. Spurs offense is at about 110 offensive rating rn, so Wemby taking 3's and hitting almost a third is right in line with that

he's a rookie and his shot has come a long way in a pretty short time, since no1 can bother his release at his height - it's just a matter of him figuring it out. he'll be at 35-36% on large volume in no time, i'm betting

just to clarify - this is a tiny sample, perhaps he's an even worse shooter rn than 32%, either way the only way to find out and for him to get better is to keep taking them :)
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Post#327 » by G R E Y » Mon Nov 6, 2023 3:14 pm

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Post#328 » by _jin » Mon Nov 6, 2023 3:25 pm

Good news for french fans who dont have league pass, they're finally going to be able to watch every Wemby games (except for games against the Bulls, they're still banned) from now on. BeIN Sports has the rights to 2 games every night but they can't pick so they missed 2 Spurs games already and fans werent happy about that. They can now show a 3rd game if Spurs play. It's weird that the NBA initially prevented french fans from watching their new national phenom every game when they've been hyping him up so much in the US.
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Post#329 » by Duffman100 » Mon Nov 6, 2023 4:19 pm

Obviously his offense is incredible.

But I'm amazed by his defense. He blocked OG like he was a toddler, he was making all the Raptors think twice before driving into the lane.
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Post#330 » by vxmike » Mon Nov 6, 2023 4:20 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:So basically the Spurs Ex-Wemby shoot nearly 40% from 3.
If that is the case, I don't understand why they would shoot 5 three pointers through Wemby who shoots 31%.
I mean I know that it looks extremely impressive to watch a nearly 8 foot guy getting up from 3 with such a nice form, but it also has to make sense, doesn't it?

Same goes for Giannis BTW.

And the reason why I'm going on about it is that Wemby never actually was a good 3 point shooter, that much was known before the draft. It looks good, but he doesn't actually make enough of them. And this is why the KD comparisons were always irrelevant. Different kind of player, he can have a massive impact offensively in so many different ways.

I would ask him to just take the wide open ones so the D doesn't sag off him. Which is 1-2 a game.


Agree. No idea why a guy who has unstoppable height is jacking up contested 3s. Get under the hoop!
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Post#331 » by peZt » Mon Nov 6, 2023 5:23 pm

I dont mind him playing on the perimeter on offense but I just dont understand why he is defending the perimeter on defense. You have a 7'5 monster with insanely long arms who can block every shot that comes at him. Play him under the basket
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Post#332 » by _jin » Mon Nov 6, 2023 5:38 pm

peZt wrote:I dont mind him playing on the perimeter on offense but I just dont understand why he is defending the perimeter on defense. You have a 7'5 monster with insanely long arms who can block every shot that comes at him. Play him under the basket

I think he's fine where he is defensively, around the elbow navigating between the paint and the 3pt line, he can cover both in one step if needed, he basically covers one half of the floor by positioning that way. His feet are quick enough to rotate under the basket when he needs to. He was a bit more passive and slower down the stretch defensively yesterday but probably has more to do with stamina.
Offensively he starts on the perimeter then tries to find his way towards the basket. He was unable to do that for the most part yesterday because of Barnes and OG's great defense so he settled for jumpers. Prior to his debut in the league, I thought his offball movement would be good enough and it has been in some games, but this game has shown he can still improve on it.
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Post#333 » by The-Power » Mon Nov 6, 2023 6:14 pm

peZt wrote:I dont mind him playing on the perimeter on offense but I just dont understand why he is defending the perimeter on defense. You have a 7'5 monster with insanely long arms who can block every shot that comes at him. Play him under the basket

They want him to play close to the rim. But it's the NBA. Often enough you'll have to defend out on the perimeter.
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Post#334 » by KG Leonard » Mon Nov 6, 2023 7:22 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:So basically the Spurs Ex-Wemby shoot nearly 40% from 3.

I would ask him to just take the wide open ones so the D doesn't sag off him. Which is 1-2 a game.


Because they are shooting open catch and shoot, corner 3s. If they cant make 40% of them they shouldnt play with Wemby in the near future.

Wemby was shooting well from 3p the last night in the first half, the last 3s he shot was bailing out his team cant score when they were down 7 in overtime. Wemby isnt getting many open 3s, he is shooting badly contested superstar 3s becuase Collins got more shots than him vs Raptors. The guy who replaced Vassell,their best shooter was selfish iso version who thought he was prime Kawhi midrange master. Sochan cant pass anyone in the paint for easy shot right now.

Is it really suprising the 19 year super rookie with all the pressure on him is settling for quick 3s? How many bad 3s did he shoot when they were passing him for 26 shots mostly in the paint vs Suns?
I see Wemby posting, moving to his fav midrange area but nobody seeing him or looking him away because it is their time to shine now that we are all watching apparently. :)
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Post#335 » by RRR3 » Mon Nov 6, 2023 7:43 pm

Leading the league in block percentage so far. Which is crazy considering teams are actively avoiding him. Imagine if they actually went at him. GOAT potential was an accurate assessment of him. Now of course he more than likely isn’t reaching GOAT but that’s the kind of potential he has. I hope everything goes right and he can challenge for it though.
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Post#336 » by leo7 » Mon Nov 6, 2023 8:36 pm

Anyone notice when teams are actively avoiding Wemby in the paint, they move the ball around for better open looks?

It's like the threat of Wemby's length is so great :wink: , that he forces the other team to move the ball.

Which actually might help the other teams offense in some cases. Like the Raptors last night.
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Post#337 » by G R E Y » Mon Nov 6, 2023 9:00 pm

leo7 wrote:Anyone notice when teams are actively avoiding Wemby in the paint, they move the ball around for better open looks?

It's like the threat of Wemby's length is so great :wink: , that he forces the other team to move the ball.

Which actually might help the other teams offense in some cases. Like the Raptors last night.

So you consider teams taking half the shots from the arc and planning on making 40% of them a viable workaround? Because we'll take those odds. 20% of Wemby's blocks so far are from attempted 3s.
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Post#338 » by Bornstellar » Mon Nov 6, 2023 10:44 pm

I'm fine with Victor shooting threes for the most part. The only ones I have a problem with are the pull ups and step backs. Other than that, keep firing
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Post#339 » by tsherkin » Mon Nov 6, 2023 10:46 pm

Duffman100 wrote:Obviously his offense is incredible.

But I'm amazed by his defense. He blocked OG like he was a toddler, he was making all the Raptors think twice before driving into the lane.


"Incredible" is a big word here. He has been a +1.5% rTS guy and -0.1 OBPM. He has shown all kinds of potential, but let's not get nuts on actual impact jist yet. That will come soon enough if he stays healthy.
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Post#340 » by Duffman100 » Mon Nov 6, 2023 10:47 pm

tsherkin wrote:
Duffman100 wrote:Obviously his offense is incredible.

But I'm amazed by his defense. He blocked OG like he was a toddler, he was making all the Raptors think twice before driving into the lane.


"Incredible" is a big word here. He has been a +1.5% rTS guy and -0.1 OBPM. He has shown all kinds of potential, but let's not get nuts on actual impact jist yet. That will come soon enough if he stays healthy.


Sorry. Offensive potential.

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