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Masai’s plan moving forward 

Post#1 » by WigginsNation » Tue Nov 7, 2023 6:15 am

I’m sure most would agree that Masai has been at best subpar post championship years. Drafting Scottie Barnes has earned him some extra leeway. Imagine if he drafted Suggs? :lol:

Anyways the question now is, with this present mess we’re in with Pascal, OG and Trent all becoming FAs this offseason, and our 2024 lost draft pick, what will Masai do to salvage the Raps?

The obvious answer is that he needs to trade Pascal and possibly Trent before the deadline for complimentary pieces around Scottie, and sign OG to big dollars this offseason. The question is, will Masai indeed do that?! And can he do that?

It’s a nerve racking time to be a raptors fan. I hate the lack of balance on this team! Pascal needs to go!!
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Post#2 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Nov 7, 2023 6:30 am

As JJ Reddick put it - Scottie is the HUB. We need to build around him and play to his strengths. Similar to how the Nuggets offense revolves around Jokic.

Surround him with sharpshooters, slashers, & playmakers.

For example: I've been throwing this name around for years but I feel like we need him now more than ever - Doug McDermott. Not a sexy name, but he's exactly the type of player you want to play alongside Scottie.
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Post#3 » by greekman » Tue Nov 7, 2023 6:52 am

i like that he didn't rush to trade anunoby for peanuts last year. sure he didn't get anything for vanvleet but waiting it out and getting schroder for a bargain was worth it.
pascal is left but he can be part of the process or kept as a trading chip. lots of players worse than him are paid more
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Post#4 » by mihaic » Tue Nov 7, 2023 7:33 am

greekman wrote:i like that he didn't rush to trade anunoby for peanuts last year. sure he didn't get anything for vanvleet but waiting it out and getting schroder for a bargain was worth it.
pascal is left but he can be part of the process or kept as a trading chip. lots of players worse than him are paid more

I guess we traded vv for Schroeder and cap space
I never looked at it like that but if it were a trade I'd have been on board
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Post#5 » by PerfectJab » Tue Nov 7, 2023 8:29 am

Give Masai some rope he's evaluating. The complacency is all part of the master plan as things have a way of working itself out.

If he's lucky he'll trade Siakam which will later be vetoed allowing him to be traded him again for a top 5 player in the NBA as soon as that becomes available.
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Post#6 » by SocialistHipHop » Tue Nov 7, 2023 9:56 am

PerfectJab wrote:Give Masai some rope he's evaluating. The complacency is all part of the master plan as things have a way of working itself out.

If he's lucky he'll trade Siakam which will later be vetoed allowing him to be traded him again for a top 5 player in the NBA as soon as that becomes available.


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Post#7 » by 2019nbachamps » Tue Nov 7, 2023 10:28 am

It’s still early but based on the results so far the easy answer is to trade Siakam and GTJ and build the team around Scottie. We’re gonna need a starting PG, SG, and bench down the line so might as well start restocking the cupboard now. We aren’t gonna get fair value for Siakam but draft picks and depth pieces will suffice. GTJ won’t go for much but it doesn’t make sense to tie $25m+ a season into an inconsistent player who doesn’t impact winning.
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Post#8 » by SocialistHipHop » Tue Nov 7, 2023 10:35 am

The plan moving forward involves Scottie replacing Pascal as the number one option, Gradey will replace GTJ, OG will be resigned. Schroeder as the back up point guard long term.


And then we need to find a star guard, who can shoot and is a playmaker. We also need a stretch 5 to pair with Poeltl, similar to the Gasol-Ibaka combo at Centre.

That’s a solid 7 player rotation, if we can find that star point guard as our number 2 option.
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Post#9 » by WigginsNation » Tue Nov 7, 2023 10:56 am

The question I have is, what can Pascal fetch us?! Masai needs to silently shop him now and not wait to do that just before the trade deadline! That didn’t work last year and it could very well not work this year.

Just some ideas, Pascal for Sengun and pieces? Markkanen? Herro and pieces? A deal needs to be made soon!!
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Post#10 » by billy_hoyle » Tue Nov 7, 2023 11:00 am

If Barnes shooting and overall 3rd yr jump is real, Masai is going to keep doing what he's doing... build and trying to retain talent (especially shooting and defensive talent).

GTJ is a player type we would be looking for if traded away. Shooter. Young.

Pascal as complimentary #2 to a star SF that shoots threes and overpowers people (Kawhi), has actually worked in the past. Let's let Pascal adjust back to his previous role. I've seen this board write off Siakam multiple times, and then watched Siakam make an All NBA team right after. Patience.

OG can guard any position and hit 3s. What more would you want next to Barnes?

We just drafted the perceived best shooter in the lottery/draft (Dick).

We drafted a theoretical 3&D center last year (Koloko - check his combine shooting numbers).

Need to get:
- an efficient combo guard that isn't terrible on defense (Quickly?)
-a healthy 3pt shooting C (Draft? Olynyk? Koloko? Precious?)
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Post#11 » by Rapsalot » Tue Nov 7, 2023 11:12 am

Now to trade deadline move Thad to contender for expire and second round pick
Same for Chris B but 2 second picks
Same for Pascal. I know folks want a star in return. I would like 1 prospect to fit team, bad contracts that can be waived or mostly expire with 2 first picks and 1-2 seconds picks. We will need to retool team through draft. It would be best if prospect was young PG that could eliminate Flynn and grow with / beyond DS.

Next year Otto cut to $5 mil and Garrett same or a little less but above vet min. These 2 can be our old heads.
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Post#12 » by CPT » Tue Nov 7, 2023 12:14 pm

Not even really trying to hot take here, but is there any evidence that Masai has a plan?

I think there's a vague idea of staying "competitive" (re: not tanking) while stockpiling assets and accumulating value (even certain trades everyone hates are usually reasonable "value"), but I don't know what the next step is.

I have a feeling the Pascal trade will be one of those weird ones where the guys involved are kind of surprising. An old school player for player swap, not one of these star for cap space and picks deals. Something like the Sabonis for Haliburton/Hield deal.
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Post#13 » by maternal85 » Tue Nov 7, 2023 12:14 pm

billy_hoyle wrote:If Barnes shooting and overall 3rd yr jump is real, Masai is going to keep doing what he's doing... build and trying to retain talent (especially shooting and defensive talent).

GTJ is a player type we would be looking for if traded away. Shooter. Young.

Pascal as complimentary #2 to a star SF that shoots threes and overpowers people (Kawhi), has actually worked in the past. Let's let Pascal adjust back to his previous role. I've seen this board write off Siakam multiple times, and then watched Siakam make an All NBA team right after. Patience.

OG can guard any position and hit 3s. What more would you want next to Barnes?

We just drafted the perceived best shooter in the lottery/draft (Dick).

We drafted a theoretical 3&D center last year (Koloko - check his combine shooting numbers).

Need to get:
- an efficient combo guard that isn't terrible on defense (Quickly?)
-a healthy 3pt shooting C (Draft? Olynyk? Koloko? Precious?)


Well said. We have some young pieces, people forget about that. I'd trade Pascal though. Simply because he's 30. I'd try to get good solid younger pieces for him. Trent I'd bring back for a solid price. If not, trade him. Do we want to give a 6'4 SG over 20 million per year ?
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Post#14 » by WigginsNation » Tue Nov 7, 2023 12:38 pm

Trent needs to go too, he will cost too much to keep. Trade him for a better fit piece
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Post#15 » by Raptorland23 » Tue Nov 7, 2023 12:50 pm

CPT wrote:Not even really trying to hot take here, but is there any evidence that Masai has a plan?

I think there's a vague idea of staying "competitive" (re: not tanking) while stockpiling assets and accumulating value (even certain trades everyone hates are usually reasonable "value"), but I don't know what the next step is.

I have a feeling the Pascal trade will be one of those weird ones where the guys involved are kind of surprising. An old school player for player swap, not one of these star for cap space and picks deals. Something like the Sabonis for Haliburton/Hield deal.


The stock piling of assets for trades and what not was what I was hoping was being done, as some sort of plan. The problem is he just keeps letting them walk or makes moves when their value has decreased due to age, contract length, internal issues, W-L record etc etc

The problem with Pascal, Trent and OG, all three expiring, is they are now rental players for any team that trades for them, the value has decreased. For Pascal it's not just the rental player aspect, he is also getting older, production has dropped, rumors of him being selfish with locker room problems in 2022 and rumors of him saying he will not resign anywhere or for any team that trades for him. With Trent it's the rental aspect to go along with his declining production, lack of development, nonshalant attitude on the court, questionable fit on any team's future.

So, I can't say compiling assets was ever really part of the plan either. Or Masai has just failed at his plan, if this is what the plan was. The plan looks more like if he can't get a perfect trade for exactly the players he wants he is more than willing to just let his assets walk so he can spend the money how he wants, when he wants and on what players he wants. Problem with that approach, especially in Canada is the players must also want to sign and come here lol, so imo trades are the way to go.

Both Pascal and Trent's value were higher the last two years then it is now, for sure.
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Post#16 » by hype_2004 » Tue Nov 7, 2023 12:54 pm

SocialistHipHop wrote:The plan moving forward involves Scottie replacing Pascal as the number one option, Gradey will replace GTJ, OG will be resigned. Schroeder as the back up point guard long term.


And then we need to find a star guard, who can shoot and is a playmaker. We also need a stretch 5 to pair with Poeltl, similar to the Gasol-Ibaka combo at Centre.

That’s a solid 7 player rotation, if we can find that star point guard as our number 2 option.


Essentially we need to copy the 2019 championship team, here's what I propose
PG Davion Mitchell very similar game to Lowry same body type, and has a dog mentality
SG Malcolm Brogdon veteran guard that can shoot and run some point
SF Scottie Barnes, he's our Kawhi
PF OG, he will replace Siakam
C Jakob Poetl and Miles Turner, Gasol and Ibaka 2.0
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Post#17 » by alienchild » Tue Nov 7, 2023 12:55 pm

WigginsNation wrote:I’m sure most would agree that Masai has been at best subpar post championship years. Drafting Scottie Barnes has earned him some extra leeway. Imagine if he drafted Suggs? :lol:

Anyways the question now is, with this present mess we’re in with Pascal, OG and Trent all becoming FAs this offseason, and our 2024 lost draft pick, what will Masai do to salvage the Raps?

The obvious answer is that he needs to trade Pascal and possibly Trent before the deadline for complimentary pieces around Scottie, and sign OG to big dollars this offseason. The question is, will Masai indeed do that?! And can he do that?

It’s a nerve racking time to be a raptors fan. I hate the lack of balance on this team! Pascal needs to go!!


Not most would agree. The obvious answer is what you would do and has nothing to do with what Masai will do. The mess we're in, is your mess invented in your mind. If you can't cope with this season, stop following the team.
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Post#18 » by Johnny Bball » Tue Nov 7, 2023 1:25 pm

WigginsNation wrote:The question I have is, what can Pascal fetch us?! Masai needs to silently shop him now and not wait to do that just before the trade deadline! That didn’t work last year and it could very well not work this year.

Just some ideas, Pascal for Sengun and pieces? Markkanen? Herro and pieces? A deal needs to be made soon!!


Why can't he extend Siakam in the next three-four weeks?

Why is the return so good if he's that bad?

Except no Markkanen ever please.
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Post#19 » by Merit » Tue Nov 7, 2023 1:36 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:As JJ Reddick put it - Scottie is the HUB. We need to build around him and play to his strengths. Similar to how the Nuggets offense revolves around Jokic.

Surround him with sharpshooters, slashers, & playmakers.

For example: I've been throwing this name around for years but I feel like we need him now more than ever - Doug McDermott. Not a sexy name, but he's exactly the type of player you want to play alongside Scottie.


Ideally Gradey’s floor is McBuckets.
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Post#20 » by Scase » Tue Nov 7, 2023 1:38 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:As JJ Reddick put it - Scottie is the HUB. We need to build around him and play to his strengths. Similar to how the Nuggets offense revolves around Jokic.

Surround him with sharpshooters, slashers, & playmakers.

For example: I've been throwing this name around for years but I feel like we need him now more than ever - Doug McDermott. Not a sexy name, but he's exactly the type of player you want to play alongside Scottie.

Well the good thing is that he plays for the spurs, the only team we ever trade with. And the best part? It'll only cost us a couple FRPs!
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