Joel Embiid has become overhated

[Tony Parker]

To clarify, i did not see him as the MVP last year and his PO showings have been disappointing.
I cannot say with certainty whether he is just not cut out for it or caused by his bad injury history.

However he is an extremely good regular season player, shows tons of passion and has been more loyal than anybody could expect from him. Very few star players would be willing to put up with all those convoluted situations in Philly, many have quit on much better teams. He has done everything you could have asked for. Stayed through tough times, adjusted his game, now is willing to go through another retool.

But at this point it feels like any positive statement I see about him is met with constant critique and belittling. You can be upset about the voters decision but he has not earned that hate, if seen for what he is, he is still a really good player and deserves some more levelheaded takes.
This is a forum, filled with older more informed users, so i would hope people could formulate some more nuanced opinions, rather then falling for the modern hot take rollercoaster of constantly overhyping and devaluing.

[KGtabake]

If he stops talking and crying about awards, he will be seen more positively.
Also, at some point he has to realise that Jokic is simply better.
It ain't tragic to be the second best big in the league.
David Robinson had never been better than Olajuwon.
That didn't stop him from being dominant and likeable at the same time.

Also. The fact that he chose to join the US national team after it became known that all of LeBron, Steph, KD etc will participate in the Olympics made him a bus rider.

[jmo21]

I don't hate him, but I almost sprained my eyes rolling them so hard when he had his little moans about wanting to be MVP.

He's a wonderful player, but I do prefer Jokic, all round.

And Jokic overcame his own "haters" who said he couldn't win a 3rd straight MVP by winning the championship.

[rzzzzz]

The difference between regular season Embiid and playoff Embiid is that playoff Embiid always gets injured before the 2nd round.

[Lakers In 5]

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Has he? The man elbows someone and still has the audacity to be the one to hit the floor. Always flailing and flopping. Nobody hates him for his play, they dislike him for his antics.

[Roger Murdock]

You can’t cry and throw teammates under the bus after you play terrible every year

If playoff Embiid was as good as regular season Embiid he’d have 2 titles by now. Instead he’s never been close.

We are just tired of the BS. Another good regular season doesn’t change anything.

[Bum Adebayo]

Yeah Embiid gets an unusual level of hate, he is mediocre in playoffs but really great in Regular Season, I think it's more people don't like his trolling antics and flopping. Still, not enough to hate him to the extent people do IMO.

[Quattro]

I disagree. I have lots more hate to give Embiid. I’m pacing myself this season.

[HotelVitale]

He's got a kinda immature personality, and he's disappointed in the PO and doesn't adjust well to new defenses or have that 'I'm gonna carry my team no matter what' thing that we want to see in stars. And he's not particularly smart or insightful off court either.

Everything else is dumb hate, and bad narratives that have gotten out of control. He doesn't flop very much, especially not for a guy who drives deep into the lane and takes contact as much as he does, and this board's obsessions with him falling down is really strange. (Why does that destroy your eyeballs so much? Why do people think leaving your feet in the middle of active plays benefits him? Why do people have to keep insisting it's 'acting'?). He doesn't trash his teammates or alienate them. He plays really hard, is a very good morale guy, really wants to win, etc.

That said I'm fine with him taking some knocks this year after getting the shaky MVP and then having a blah PO run. He needs to be knocked down a peg and earn back some of his respect.

[Decipher]

Doesn’t flop very much

Just lol

[Sgt Major]

Flopping and whining makes you a subject of hatred. Same thing is happening to Luka.

[cupcakesnake]

I am loving watching Embiid's game to start the season. He's mixing up things a lot more on offense while still being an unstoppable scorer. All this DHO action Phili is running has much better integrated Embiid into the team offense, rather than him being this island of scoring binges. A big reason 3 of his teammates are scoring 18ppg or more is that he's better using not just his scoring but also the threat of his scoring to move the defense around and pass. It's the #1 offense in the NBA right now. Embiid is also working hard on defense to start the season.

Yeah I don't enjoy the histrionic flopping, and I'll never forgive some Sixers/Embiid fans for how ugly the MVP "discourse" got last year. I enjoy watching Embiid play, but whenever he's playing against a team that I root for, I instantly hate him as the biggest villain in the NBA lol.

[bebopdeluxe]

To clarify, i did not see him as the MVP last year and his PO showings have been disappointing.
I cannot say with certainty whether he is just not cut out for it or caused by his bad injury history.

However he is an extremely good regular season player, shows tons of passion and has been more loyal than anybody could expect from him. Very few star players would be willing to put up with all those convoluted situations in Philly, many have quit on much better teams. He has done everything you could have asked for. Stayed through tough times, adjusted his game, now is willing to go through another retool.

But at this point it feels like any positive statement I see about him is met with constant critique and belittling. You can be upset about the voters decision but he has not earned that hate, if seen for what he is, he is still a really good player and deserves some more levelheaded takes.
This is a forum, filled with older more informed users, so i would hope people could formulate some more nuanced opinions, rather then falling for the modern hot take rollercoaster of constantly overhyping and devaluing.

Are you new here?

This is the RealGM GB - where cheerleaders like Hussien post positive Embiid threads every day and people love to hate on Embiid's flopping. Now that Jokic has his ring and FMVP, that battle is over (for now), but I don't expect the Embiid haters to stop anytime soon.

[HotelVitale]

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Has he? The man elbows someone and still has the audacity to be the one to hit the floor. Always flailing and flopping. Nobody hates him for his play, they dislike him for his antics.

Hmm, why is it 'audacious' to fall to the ground without any arm flailing or yelling after colliding with a huge guy? I could see saying you don't like the elbow being thrown but after that it almost looks like he's trying not to sell the contact there, immediately closes his mouth and puts his arms down to brace himself. How do you get to that being 'flopping and flailing'? (He also got whistled for the offensive and got a flagrant on top of it).

[Bum Adebayo]

Flopping and whining makes you a subject of hatred. Same thing is happening to Luka.

Luka gets nowhere near the hate and you know it, he gets some hate but not overwhelming hate. He is better in playoffs so from that perspective I understand, I just thing with Embiid it's overblown. And I'm one of his biggest critics in our board, I think we should trade him because of how mediocre he is in playoffs, but the level of hate he gets is insame.

[Franco]

Yeah Embiid gets an unusual level of hate, he is mediocre in playoffs but really great in Regular Season, I think it's more people don't like his trolling antics and flopping. Still, not enough to hate him to the extent people do IMO.

People hate being wrong, and a lot of people picked the Sixers to go far the last couple of years. So they transfer that straight into the best player on the team.

To be fair, Embiid doesn't help his case by being terrible (by his standards) in the playoffs most times. The only time you can say he had almost no fault in the 2nd round exit was the Hawks series.

[WiggOuts]

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Has he? The man elbows someone and still has the audacity to be the one to hit the floor. Always flailing and flopping. Nobody hates him for his play, they dislike him for his antics.

Hmm, why is it 'audacious' to fall to the ground without any arm flailing or yelling after colliding with a huge guy? I could see saying you don't like the elbow being thrown but after that it almost looks like he's trying not to sell the contact there, immediately closes his mouth and puts his arms down to brace himself. How do you get to that being 'flopping and flailing'? (He also got whistled for the offensive and got a flagrant on top of it).

You're exercising these mental gymnastics to try to prove something that's so obviously wrong. Hes a dirty flopper, he has been for a while. This clip is a perfect example of both of those things yet here we are, with people STILL trying to defend his antics. How many examples do yall need

[Phreak50]

David Robinson had never been better than Olajuwon.
That didn't stop him from being dominant and likeable at the same time.

That’s debatable.

94 and 95 MVPs at the time were generally thought to have been in reverse. They both deserved one and got one. Their stats were nearly identical for both years and Hakeem without a doubt had the better team around him.

(Robinson also didn’t choke in the playoffs, he actually played very well but Hakeem just played insane)

Embiid on the other hand didn’t have a better season than Jokic, not even on paper.

But I do agree with the comments about Embiid needing to just keep quiet and do his thing.

When you actively make an effort to be a dick (he literally calls his social media Troll Embiid) you aren’t going to win many fans.

Then his strange quotes about him having won nothing before so he shouldn’t be under pressure to win an MVP and him throwing his team under the bus after choking in the playoffs.

He isn’t hated, he just doesn’t do much to be liked.

[Impuniti]

Yeah Embiid gets an unusual level of hate, he is mediocre in playoffs but really great in Regular Season, I think it's more people don't like his trolling antics and flopping. Still, not enough to hate him to the extent people do IMO.

People hate being wrong, and a lot of people picked the Sixers to go far the last couple of years. So they transfer that straight into the best player on the team.

To be fair, Embiid doesn't help his case by being terrible (by his standards) in the playoffs most times. The only time you can say he had almost no fault in the 2nd round exit was the Hawks series.

He's terrible by all star standards, let alone "his" standards. He is a playoff loser and most of the Sixers fanbase uses injuries as coping mechanism to excuse his pathetic performances. Harden is known throughout his career as a playoff choker as a comparison, and yet he has been so, so much better in the playoffs than Embiid could ever dream of being.

Saying that, there's nothing wrong with Embiid winning the MVP last or winning it this year if he plays good enough to warrant the award. That doesn't make him a better player than at least 5 others in the league, but it means that for the RS, he did enough to become the most valuable.

[Rendei]

I feel like this is a result of all of the Jokic vs Embiid debates. And it's only gotten worse. It got as bad as I've seen last year.