ImageImageImageImage

I've seen enough, bench fultz start black

Moderators: ChosenSavior, UCF, Knightro, UCFJayBird, Def Swami, Howard Mass

meatwad4343
Bench Warmer
Posts: 1,488
And1: 471
Joined: Mar 02, 2011
Location: Tampa, Florida

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#141 » by meatwad4343 » Mon Nov 6, 2023 2:44 am

If mose is smart he's telling fultz to rest that knee for a little while longer until he's 100% so we can get more of a sample size of ab in the starting line up
ogmagicfan
Head Coach
Posts: 6,212
And1: 2,369
Joined: Mar 30, 2014
     

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#142 » by ogmagicfan » Mon Nov 6, 2023 3:08 am

I just dont see the reason in us starting Fultz, when Black provides what he does, & then some and its pretty clear that Fultz is not going to be here after this season

We might as well start prepping Black in the starting role, giving him more opportunity to develop and for us to evaluate the fit of him in the starting lineup
davey_wavy
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,953
And1: 1,083
Joined: Jun 28, 2012
 

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#143 » by davey_wavy » Mon Nov 6, 2023 3:24 am

Bensational wrote:We don’t need changes to the roster yet as far as trades or whatever. I’m confident that will resolve itself organically internally.

Ideally we shouldn’t have needed injuries to try some different lineups out early in the season either, but here we are and we’ve got guys who have stepped up the occasion. We need to keep those pathways open to the guys we’ve got.


The front offices favorite word..

“Organic”
User avatar
CarraT
Pro Prospect
Posts: 788
And1: 394
Joined: Jul 22, 2004
Location: Germany
   

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#144 » by CarraT » Mon Nov 6, 2023 6:06 am

davey_wavy wrote:
Bensational wrote:We don’t need changes to the roster yet as far as trades or whatever. I’m confident that will resolve itself organically internally.

Ideally we shouldn’t have needed injuries to try some different lineups out early in the season either, but here we are and we’ve got guys who have stepped up the occasion. We need to keep those pathways open to the guys we’ve got.


The front offices favorite word..

“Organic”


You can translate that to lazy and scared
Fire Weltman!
User avatar
RookieStar
RealGM
Posts: 27,156
And1: 7,768
Joined: Jul 01, 2009
 

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#145 » by RookieStar » Mon Nov 6, 2023 6:41 am

meatwad4343 wrote:If mose is smart he's telling fultz to rest that knee for a little while longer until he's 100% so we can get more of a sample size of ab in the starting line up


Or you know... he can hire some Magic poster who will accidentally "trip" him up and so would need another further 10 game evaluation and AB starting spot can take longer
T-Cat
Starter
Posts: 2,344
And1: 529
Joined: May 04, 2004

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#146 » by T-Cat » Mon Nov 6, 2023 9:26 am

ogmagicfan wrote:I just dont see the reason in us starting Fultz, when Black provides what he does, & then some and its pretty clear that Fultz is not going to be here after this season

We might as well start prepping Black in the starting role, giving him more opportunity to develop and for us to evaluate the fit of him in the starting lineup


We can definitely use Fultz off the bench! He could help get JI's offense going and Cole Anthony could play more off ball!
User avatar
SOUL
Retired Mod
Retired Mod
Posts: 58,722
And1: 40,755
Joined: Dec 11, 2006
Location: █████████████
     

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#147 » by SOUL » Mon Nov 6, 2023 10:17 am

CarraT wrote:
davey_wavy wrote:
Bensational wrote:We don’t need changes to the roster yet as far as trades or whatever. I’m confident that will resolve itself organically internally.

Ideally we shouldn’t have needed injuries to try some different lineups out early in the season either, but here we are and we’ve got guys who have stepped up the occasion. We need to keep those pathways open to the guys we’ve got.


The front offices favorite word..

“Organic”


You can translate that to lazy and scared


*team is playing together with great defense and young players contributing for first time in a long time*

*"tHE oRG diDn'T TraDe FoR HeRrO or SimOnz!!"

There are small changes we can make right now, or a bigger one once we find out who is here to stay or not. But we're seeing a lot of guys contributing in their roles.
www.rareslums.com // please support my writing!
Orlando Dawg
Analyst
Posts: 3,455
And1: 111
Joined: Mar 15, 2002
Location: Orlando

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#148 » by Orlando Dawg » Mon Nov 6, 2023 11:55 am

KillMonger wrote:It kind of surprised me that Fultz and the FO wasn't able to come to a deal


Where did you hear that the Magic have any interest in signing Fultz to a deal?
Fortune Teller
Senior
Posts: 520
And1: 481
Joined: Jun 13, 2023

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#149 » by Fortune Teller » Mon Nov 6, 2023 12:27 pm

Guys, Welt is playing the long game. Eventually, Fultz, Isaac, WCJ will play 70 games in a season. It just won’t be this year or next. Most likely 2028. He doesn’t hand out multi-year contracts for nothing.
User avatar
CarraT
Pro Prospect
Posts: 788
And1: 394
Joined: Jul 22, 2004
Location: Germany
   

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#150 » by CarraT » Mon Nov 6, 2023 12:46 pm

SOUL wrote:
CarraT wrote:
davey_wavy wrote:
The front offices favorite word..

“Organic”


You can translate that to lazy and scared


*team is playing together with great defense and young players contributing for first time in a long time*

*"tHE oRG diDn'T TraDe FoR HeRrO or SimOnz!!"

There are small changes we can make right now, or a bigger one once we find out who is here to stay or not. But we're seeing a lot of guys contributing in their roles.


My judgement of the FO does not come from the current situation, but from the entire 6 years of "work"
Fire Weltman!
orlando_joe
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,878
And1: 1,907
Joined: Dec 27, 2015
     

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#151 » by orlando_joe » Mon Nov 6, 2023 1:19 pm

CarraT wrote:
davey_wavy wrote:
Bensational wrote:We don’t need changes to the roster yet as far as trades or whatever. I’m confident that will resolve itself organically internally.

Ideally we shouldn’t have needed injuries to try some different lineups out early in the season either, but here we are and we’ve got guys who have stepped up the occasion. We need to keep those pathways open to the guys we’ve got.


The front offices favorite word..

“Organic”


You can translate that to lazy and scared


or patient and smart..not rushed and stupid
User avatar
fendilim
RealGM
Posts: 31,830
And1: 5,470
Joined: Jun 11, 2002
Location: 孫悟空, 时间太?!

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#152 » by fendilim » Mon Nov 6, 2023 4:13 pm

Skybox wrote:
fendilim wrote:
Also, who would want Fultz? I mean does he even have value?


Expiring deals have value, packaged with picks or other players for sure. If, say POR, recognized that Scoot & Sharpe is their future backcourt and didn't want to keep Simons as a $25m backup, they could trade for an expiring Fultz & a rookie scale guy, etc and let Fultz expire.

This is what I have asked many many times and never even got speculative answers...only "You're a hater", etc.

Fultz hits the open market...who's calling and offering a starting spot?

Another way to look at it...IF Fultz was on another team, would people in ORL even be thinking about him or his potential fit in ORL.

NO :noway:
yes, as an expiring player he does have a value as a salary relief.

But as a player?
Image
jonbob17
Analyst
Posts: 3,481
And1: 1,440
Joined: Jul 01, 2020

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#153 » by jonbob17 » Mon Nov 6, 2023 5:42 pm

I wonder what missing Fultz does to to our betting lines. There's some noise in there right now with Harris, WCJ, and JI also having issues. I want to say the Lakers were 3 point favorites at home and 3 point favorites on the road, home court is worth 2.5-3 points...so that would suggest the MF/GH/WCJ trio was worth 6 points to Vegas.

Of course we trounced LA, but they are having injuries issues too, GabeVincent, Vanderbilt, Rui.
jayrehme
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,707
And1: 508
Joined: Feb 15, 2006
Location: Fort Myers, FL
 

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#154 » by jayrehme » Mon Nov 6, 2023 6:04 pm

T-Cat wrote:
ogmagicfan wrote:I just dont see the reason in us starting Fultz, when Black provides what he does, & then some and its pretty clear that Fultz is not going to be here after this season

We might as well start prepping Black in the starting role, giving him more opportunity to develop and for us to evaluate the fit of him in the starting lineup


We can definitely use Fultz off the bench! He could help get JI's offense going and Cole Anthony could play more off ball!


... and maybe get Franz playing more time with the starters and less with the bench, Fultz would be better off the bench, and that would also let him know where his salary should be
RichCollab
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,317
And1: 1,401
Joined: Oct 23, 2019
         

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#155 » by RichCollab » Tue Nov 7, 2023 2:32 am

This was a nice fantasy. Fultz needs to start.
User avatar
KillMonger
RealGM
Posts: 20,572
And1: 11,135
Joined: Oct 13, 2012
     

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#156 » by KillMonger » Tue Nov 7, 2023 8:06 am

RichCollab wrote:This was a nice fantasy. Fultz needs to start.

got to be available for that chief....then again fultz being injured is nothing new
Image
pepe1991
RealGM
Posts: 22,960
And1: 18,953
Joined: Jan 10, 2016
   

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#157 » by pepe1991 » Tue Nov 7, 2023 8:33 am

His ugly jumpshot still goes in.
Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans. -John Lennon
89Magicfan
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,513
And1: 763
Joined: Feb 25, 2021
       

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#158 » by 89Magicfan » Tue Nov 7, 2023 3:04 pm

pepe1991 wrote:His ugly jumpshot still goes in.



This and he attempts them.

Seems like Black has made and attempted more threes in two games then Fulton has in a season no?
zaymon
Head Coach
Posts: 6,068
And1: 3,405
Joined: Jul 01, 2015
   

Re: I've seen enough, bench fultz start black 

Post#159 » by zaymon » Tue Nov 7, 2023 6:17 pm

Fultz would not help us against Dallas he would make things even worse. We wont win many games making 8 threes a game. Black was solid defensively and made his 3s. Everyone else missed shots, Suggs and Banchero couldnt handle the ball. I dont know if Black is the answer but we know already that Fultz is not.
My money is on Banchero going number 1 !

Return to Orlando Magic