Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[Tha Cynic]

His shooting numbers have to stabilize at some point. If they don't, he's a top 10 player in the league, especially when you take into account both sides of the ball.

I think a really successful season would be something like 20/10/6/2/1 with shooting splits of 50/35/80 on his current shooting volumes.

If Scottie is actually a 40+% 3 point shooter on 5+ attempts per game he's probably making at least 3rd team all nba with a good chance at 2nd team.

I doubt he will this year, but I can see him being consistently close to that in future years as he becomes more and more comfortable with that form.

I can't see this efficiency sticking overall, but I hope his free throw attempts go up and his accuracy inside increases to cover the difference.

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Best & Worst Isolation Players so far Based on PPP on Isolations including Passes (Minimum 15 possessions)

1. Tyrese Haliburton (1.556)
2. De’Aaron Fox
3. Pascal Siakam
4. Paul George
5. Jayson Tatum
6. Joel Embiid
7. Nikola Jokic
8. Russell Westbrook
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43. Anthony Edwards
44. Shaedon Sharpe
45. Scottie Barnes
46. Chris Paul (0.444)

fascinating lol

Whats the count of possessions for him? I honestly can't recall many instances where he is ISOing.

13 according to nba.com but they do not include passes I think?

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation?PerMode=Totals

Raptors in 2022-23 for reference
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation?CF=TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*TOR&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&SeasonYear=2022-23

Man that is a comically small sample size haha. Am I crazy though, the link shows him only having 8FGA?

[HumbleRen]

Whats the count of possessions for him? I honestly can't recall many instances where he is ISOing.

13 according to nba.com but they do not include passes I think?

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation?PerMode=Totals

Raptors in 2022-23 for reference
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation?CF=TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*TOR&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&SeasonYear=2022-23

Man that is a comically small sample size haha. Am I crazy though, the link shows him only having 8FGA?

Yep, it’s accurate lol.

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13 according to nba.com but they do not include passes I think?

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation?PerMode=Totals

Raptors in 2022-23 for reference
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation?CF=TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*TOR&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&SeasonYear=2022-23

Man that is a comically small sample size haha. Am I crazy though, the link shows him only having 8FGA?

Yep, it’s accurate lol.

Ah, so meaningless then lol. Last game he took more 3's than he's had ISOs the entire season to date, I think we can ignore this.

[Madvillainy2004]

40%+ with 20/10/6/2/1? Third team?Second team? If our team is in the playoffs with him having those numbers he's all NBA first teamer by a landslide

I mean you have Embiid/Luka/Curry/Joker/Tatum all playing at an insanely high level. That's not even including guys like Giannis/SGA/KD/Booker. All-NBA is tougher than ever I don't see any way Scottie beats out those guys for first team even if his shooting sticks.

When was the last time someone had those numbers while shooting 40% on threes? It's unprecedented, matter of fact those number qualify him as an MVP candidate. He essentially becomes Larry Bird with more defense if he keeps this up for the whole season, but highly doubt it.

Having a unique stat distribution doesn't make you better than Luka/Embiid/Jokic/Tatum/Curry lol

[NotMyKawhi]

under vince above bosh

[Mikistan]

I mean you have Embiid/Luka/Curry/Joker/Tatum all playing at an insanely high level. That's not even including guys like Giannis/SGA/KD/Booker. All-NBA is tougher than ever I don't see any way Scottie beats out those guys for first team even if his shooting sticks.

When was the last time someone had those numbers while shooting 40% on threes? It's unprecedented, matter of fact those number qualify him as an MVP candidate. He essentially becomes Larry Bird with more defense if he keeps this up for the whole season, but highly doubt it.

Having a unique stat distribution doesn't make you better than Luka/Embiid/Jokic/Tatum/Curry lol

No, but being better does

[DG88]

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Ayyyoooo Scottie B ok he called the stepback 3. He's oozing confidence.

[DG88]

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[canada_dry]

It's not binary my guy, if you think he would be having the same freedom to break out like he has with FVV on this roster, and the offence still being run through him, you're just as bad as the people saying the only reason he is better is because FVV is gone.

I actually dont think that.

So im not as bad as those guys then right?

Im glad i have your approval.

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Don't be childish, you're calling out people out for having a differing opinion, not a single person in here can claim with certainty it was only improvements, only FVV being gone, or a combo of both.

It's extremely likely that it's a combo, but you can't outright say they are 100% wrong and act smug. Also I can't recall seeing anyone say that it was literally only FVV being gone and absolutely zero chance of anything else. I'd be glad to see the posts if you've got em.

Im not claiming its 100 % one thing or the other either. His role and opportunity do matter. New system too. But im giving most of the credit to his own work and things he can control and his own improvement, the 3rd year leap...And idk what you havent seen its been littered for the past 24 hours in particular on this thread.

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I actually dont think that.

So im not as bad as those guys then right?

Im glad i have your approval.

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Don't be childish, you're calling out people out for having a differing opinion, not a single person in here can claim with certainty it was only improvements, only FVV being gone, or a combo of both.

It's extremely likely that it's a combo, but you can't outright say they are 100% wrong and act smug. Also I can't recall seeing anyone say that it was literally only FVV being gone and absolutely zero chance of anything else. I'd be glad to see the posts if you've got em.

Im not claiming its 100 % one thing or the other either. His role and opportunity do matter. New system too. But im giving most of the credit to his own work and things he can control and his own improvement, the 3rd year leap...And idk what you havent seen its been littered for the past 24 hours in particular on this thread.

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You seem to be the only one referencing it, so I doubt it's littered all over.

[YogurtProducer]

Whats the count of possessions for him? I honestly can't recall many instances where he is ISOing.

13 according to nba.com but they do not include passes I think?

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation?PerMode=Totals

Raptors in 2022-23 for reference
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/isolation?CF=TEAM_ABBREVIATION*E*TOR&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&SeasonYear=2022-23

Man that is a comically small sample size haha. Am I crazy though, the link shows him only having 8FGA?

8FGA + 5 TOs = 13 possessions

[LLJ]

His shooting numbers have to stabilize at some point. If they don't, he's a top 10 player in the league, especially when you take into account both sides of the ball.

I think a really successful season would be something like 20/10/6/2/1 with shooting splits of 50/35/80 on his current shooting volumes.

If Scottie is actually a 40+% 3 point shooter on 5+ attempts per game he's probably making at least 3rd team all nba with a good chance at 2nd team.

I doubt he will this year, but I can see him being consistently close to that in future years as he becomes more and more comfortable with that form.

I can't see this efficiency sticking overall, but I hope his free throw attempts go up and his accuracy inside increases to cover the difference.

Unless someone has grown up as a pure shooter prospect, it's hard for any player to go from a non shooter to averaging 40% from 3 as a high volume first option player while in the NBA. Barnes will almost certainly trend closer to LeBron as a 3 point shooter as an ideal than KD or Curry, who were pure shooters their entire bball careers.

It's likely Barnes will have a career high in 3pt attempts and percentage this year going by how things are going. The interest will be seeing where he eventually falls along the 30%-39% range. I think 35% at 5 or 6 attempts per game a season is absolutely attainable for him, and that's exactly what you want to see which will separate him from Giannis on that front at the very least.

[HiJiNX]

Listen, I know he’s had an incredible start but let’s just chill a bit. He’s inevitably gonna slump for a few games and I don’t want us to jump on him cuz this stretch has set our expectations too high. These games are an extended flash of what he will likely do every night in the future, but that’s still a year or two away most likely. Let’s enjoy the moment, but also remember that this is only year 3.

[Madvillainy2004]

When was the last time someone had those numbers while shooting 40% on threes? It's unprecedented, matter of fact those number qualify him as an MVP candidate. He essentially becomes Larry Bird with more defense if he keeps this up for the whole season, but highly doubt it.

Having a unique stat distribution doesn't make you better than Luka/Embiid/Jokic/Tatum/Curry lol

No, but being better does

Even in this hypothetical world of Scottie being a 40% 3 point shooter he's not gonna be as good as those guys. We're talking about 4 all time level offensive talents and Tatum who's gonna be a sure fire hall of famer lol.

[Madvillainy2004]

Listen, I know he’s had an incredible start but let’s just chill a bit. He’s inevitably gonna slump for a few games and I don’t want us to jump on him cuz this stretch has set our expectations too high. These games are an extended flash of what he will likely do every night in the future, but that’s still a year or two away most likely. Let’s enjoy the moment, but also remember that this is only year 3.

I think he'll need to get to the line more to offset his inevitable shooting regression to give himself a buffer for his overall efficiency.

[Clementine9]

Listen, I know he’s had an incredible start but let’s just chill a bit. He’s inevitably gonna slump for a few games and I don’t want us to jump on him cuz this stretch has set our expectations too high. These games are an extended flash of what he will likely do every night in the future, but that’s still a year or two away most likely. Let’s enjoy the moment, but also remember that this is only year 3.

I think it's important to irrationally play contrarian in any internet discussion so:

[Mikistan]

Having a unique stat distribution doesn't make you better than Luka/Embiid/Jokic/Tatum/Curry lol

No, but being better does

Even in this hypothetical world of Scottie being a 40% 3 point shooter he's not gonna be as good as those guys. We're talking about 4 all time level offensive talents and Tatum who's gonna be a sure fire hall of famer lol.

Scottie has all world talent, it's ok to believe

[Mikistan]

Listen, I know he’s had an incredible start but let’s just chill a bit. He’s inevitably gonna slump for a few games and I don’t want us to jump on him cuz this stretch has set our expectations too high. These games are an extended flash of what he will likely do every night in the future, but that’s still a year or two away most likely. Let’s enjoy the moment, but also remember that this is only year 3.

I think he'll need to get to the line more to offset his inevitable shooting regression to give himself a buffer for his overall efficiency.

Like last game? Where he got to the like 11 times and still shot 50% from 3pters?

[VanWest82]

I think we can officially say Scottie = mini Giannis. He's now a positive impact player in every phase of the game: on offense, defense, on the glass, and in transition. How many other guys in the NBA do this?