Joel Embiid has become overhated

[BloodNinja]

He's a flopper he should be hated more

[Hoop Hunter]

I checked my hate meter and it says the levels are just about right, so not overhated.

Personally, I think there's room for much more.

[Chandan]

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Has he? The man elbows someone and still has the audacity to be the one to hit the floor. Always flailing and flopping. Nobody hates him for his play, they dislike him for his antics.

i am just suprised they didn't call the foul on nurk.

[Floody23]

It’s such an ugly look on the game when the guy they deemed MVP is the same guy that’s game is predicated on flopping to draw fouls.

[VanWest82]

It’s such an ugly look on the game when the guy they deemed MVP is the same guy that’s game is predicated on flopping to draw fouls.

Harden also won an MVP playing this way. NBA doesn't seem to care.

I'd say he's properly hated.

[sikma42]

If he stops talking and crying about awards, he will be seen more positively.
Also, at some point he has to realise that Jokic is simply better.
It ain't tragic to be the second best big in the league.
David Robinson had never been better than Olajuwon.
That didn't stop him from being dominant and likeable at the same time.

Also. The fact that he chose to join the US national team after it became known that all of LeBron, Steph, KD etc will participate in the Olympics made him a bus rider.

Jokic is a better overall player against most teams. But put them on the floor against each other, I don’t know if Jokic is better than Embiid. It’s a bit different than Admiral and Hakeem (also think the difference between those two is overstated).


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[Woodsanity]

If he stops talking and crying about awards, he will be seen more positively.
Also, at some point he has to realise that Jokic is simply better.
It ain't tragic to be the second best big in the league.
David Robinson had never been better than Olajuwon.
That didn't stop him from being dominant and likeable at the same time.

Also. The fact that he chose to join the US national team after it became known that all of LeBron, Steph, KD etc will participate in the Olympics made him a bus rider.

Jokic is a better overall player against most teams. But put them on the floor against each other, I don’t know if Jokic is better than Embiid. It’s a bit different than Admiral and Hakeem (also think the difference between those two is overstated).


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Jokic is just a better overall player period. Not against most teams.

If the only metric is ppg sure, Jokic is leagues above Embiid as an offensive player. Playmaking advantage is tremendous. Far less dependent on calls to be effective unlike mr harden of centers.

Defensive gap is overstated considering Embiid can get torched like a traffic cone and pick and rolled to death like he did against the Celtics in the playoffs.

Embiid wishes he could compare favorably to D Rob in this comparison. He is not even half as good defensively and far less durable.

[Tripod]

Massive man, yet flops like he has Chris Boucher's body.

Immature front-runner who disrespectful opponents

Whined his way to an MVP

Playoff failure

[soxfan2003]

To clarify, i did not see him as the MVP last year and his PO showings have been disappointing.
I cannot say with certainty whether he is just not cut out for it or caused by his bad injury history.

However he is an extremely good regular season player, shows tons of passion and has been more loyal than anybody could expect from him. Very few star players would be willing to put up with all those convoluted situations in Philly, many have quit on much better teams. He has done everything you could have asked for. Stayed through tough times, adjusted his game, now is willing to go through another retool.

But at this point it feels like any positive statement I see about him is met with constant critique and belittling. You can be upset about the voters decision but he has not earned that hate, if seen for what he is, he is still a really good player and deserves some more levelheaded takes.
This is a forum, filled with older more informed users, so i would hope people could formulate some more nuanced opinions, rather then falling for the modern hot take rollercoaster of constantly overhyping and devaluing.

He strikes me as this generation's KG. Loyal to a fault despite massive dysfunction in the front office and roster construction. Garnett went 7 seasons without going deep into the playoffs too. His personality also rubbed some the wrong way (more so after he went to Celtics).

In 40 plus years of watching NBA basketball, I've never seen a true MVP caliber superstar play with less talent than KG over a relatively long time. Even Lebron in his first stint with the Cleveland Cavs actually had more talent on average than KG.

If I remember correctly....KG's situation probably hard to duplicate since he was paid a large contract before max contracts went into full effect and you combine that with Joe Smith fiasco where the Wolves lost picks to illegal sign a marginal player.

Charles Barkeley was kind of in a no win situation in Philly as well. He was working with some big names early in his career but they were past their primes and then supporting cast got pretty darn bad.

I don't think there really is a this generation KG right now. Doncic may come closest but he despite not playing with truly great talent, he has probably already played with a better player than KG ever did in MN.

Embiid has had a couple of seasons if he played great or was healthy, his team had great chance to make the finals.

MN was so horrible outside of KG and western conference so strong, KG never had that chance even if he was healthy and playing at MVP level.

[shrink]

But at this point it feels like any positive statement I see about him is met with constant critique and belittling.

Welcome to the General Board! This is true for every player. Enjoy your stay.

[HotelVitale]

29 points in the 3rd last night. 10-10 from the floor and 9-9 at the line. I think he likes Nurse’s system…

Too bad all he can do is flop and try to get cheap fouls.

[maxpower8888]

I 100% agree with OP, I feel like because of all the MVP voting shenanigans of last season, a lot of people are holding some sort of grudge against Embiid. It's time to let it go and give the man his props!

[HotelVitale]

You're exercising these mental gymnastics to try to prove something that's so obviously wrong. Hes a dirty flopper, he has been for a while. This clip is a perfect example of both of those things yet here we are, with people STILL trying to defend his antics. How many examples do yall need

Take a breath, man. I looked at the clip and didn't see what the poster said, and we're literally in a thread about if people are over eager to hate on Embiid and find reasons to do that everywhere. Again, if you don't like the elbow here then call him out for that; but if you're looking at the fall he does here and saying 'what an audacious flop!' your narrative has taken over your eyeballs. He just falls down, with a notable lack of effort to sell a call at all.

I also watch Embiid all the time. I don't like his personality and I don't like his focus or fragile approach to competition, he's not my type of player generally speaking and it's steadily in my mind that he's going to let us down in the PO again. But I also watch him over and over again and the idea that he's constantly flailing around and that flopping is a major part of his game is just some gossip narrative. He's certainly had some high profile ridiculous flops in PO games but if that's your first thought about him and you consider yourself a basketball fan (and a not a sport radio/sports-yelling-about-invented-narratives guy) you're missing the 99.9% of who he is as a player.

With respect to the thread title I don't think he's being overly hated on, he 100% has brought this on himself with all the nonsense. I was a big fan until Doc got a hold of him and turned him into one of those clipper-esque floppers. He has the talent to be the best but he lacks maturity. You can't seriously believe someone as big and strong as him should be falling over as much as he does, its just a cheap way to play the game and most people see that.

Dunno what to say, I watch the guy honestly and critically almost every game, and on the vast majority of plays he's just playing basketball. He simply doesn't play some kind of cheap flopping bball and he's not constantly hunting fouls or anything. It happens, sure, but it's a really minor part of his arsenal, and I feel like a lot of people in this thread just keep replaying like 2 or 3 kinda ridiculous flopping plays spread out over 5 years that happened in the playoffs. But generally speaking no one would dispute at least 90% of calls he gets (probably a lot more), and FTs account for about 1/3 of his scoring totals, so even pushing it we're talking about maybe 1/20th of his points coming from questionable calls. The rest is his actual game, who he is as a player.

I really do get the criticism of his personality and of his decision-making, and believe me it sucks for us Philly fans more than it does for you. I guess I'm just asking people to stick with real criticisms and not some jumble of sort of annoying things that congeal into 'he's a cheap, foul-baiting, dangerous, lazy a-hole.' That just feels like a sports-talk gossip thing, when the actual sports fan take would be someting more like he's a ridiculously talented player who has a few very annoying habits/tendencies and has a much bigger +more meaningful problem with decision-making in tight spots and big moments.

[yoyoboy]

Basketball discourse is so toxic. 90% of you guys don’t even seem like you really enjoy following the NBA. One guy can never be propped up without putting another guy down. Sure, Jokic is better than Embiid and unlike Joel, he has a title now. Why does that have to be brought up when simply appreciating the fact that this 300 pound incredibly skilled big is a joy to watch on the court? Everything Embiid does is just pointless to people because he doesn’t have a ring. It took until last year for so many of you to finally appreciate Joker and pretend like you weren’t trashing him the prior years for winning MVPs without greater playoff success, as if he wasn’t pretty much just as amazing of a player the previous couple years as well. Whether Embiid wins a championship or not, he’ll go down as one of the greatest players ever.

It was bad even before this, but man, guys like Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith have just done irreparable damage to basketball discussion. Even in more hardcore circles, you can just see the negativity, generalities, obsession with rings, and overreactions seep in.

[Dez]

Basketball discourse is so toxic. 90% of you guys don’t even seem like you really enjoy following the NBA. One guy can never be propped up without putting another guy down. Sure, Jokic is better than Embiid and unlike Joel, he has a title now. Why does that have to be brought up when simply appreciating the fact that this 300 pound incredibly skilled big is a joy to watch on the court? Everything Embiid does is just pointless to people because he doesn’t have a ring. It took until last year for so many of you to finally appreciate Joker and pretend like you weren’t trashing him the prior years for winning MVPs without greater playoff success, as if he wasn’t pretty much just as amazing of a player the previous couple years as well. Whether Embiid wins a championship or not, he’ll go down as one of the greatest players ever.

It was bad even before this, but man, guys like Skip Bayless and Stephen A Smith have just done irreparable damage to basketball discussion. Even in more hardcore circles, you can just see the negativity, generalities, obsession with rings, and overreactions seep in.

It's the flopping and flailing while throwing others under the bus that turns people off.

[og15]

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Has he? The man elbows someone and still has the audacity to be the one to hit the floor. Always flailing and flopping. Nobody hates him for his play, they dislike him for his antics.

Watch his feet (he trips himself if you missed it) and watch the angle of his body. There is absolutely nothing odd about him falling to the floor in this specific situation except for maybe saying that he seems like a clumsy human being

[firedavidkahn]

If he stops talking and crying about awards, he will be seen more positively.
Also, at some point he has to realise that Jokic is simply better.
It ain't tragic to be the second best big in the league.
David Robinson had never been better than Olajuwon.
That didn't stop him from being dominant and likeable at the same time.

Also. The fact that he chose to join the US national team after it became known that all of LeBron, Steph, KD etc will participate in the Olympics made him a bus rider.

Jokic is a better overall player against most teams. But put them on the floor against each other, I don’t know if Jokic is better than Embiid. It’s a bit different than Admiral and Hakeem (also think the difference between those two is overstated).


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Jokic won a title without flopping.

Jokic also has a career losing record against Gobert (8-14) and KAT has historically given him fits ("only" averages 18.9 points, 10.4 rebounds and 5.8 assists and is only 13-10 against KAT)

But none of that matters, Jokic is still significantly better

[Sgt Major]

Massive man, yet flops like he has Chris Boucher's body.

Immature front-runner who disrespectful opponents and teammates

Whined his way to an MVP

Playoff failure

Just a little addition to your post.

[canada_dry]

A fun experiment. I know we all remember how ugly it looked by the eye test in some.of these cases...but Check his numbers in the 4th quarters of important playoff games.

Again the hawks . Ugly. Ben took the blame and embiid skated by but he choked hard too.

Against the heat the next year. Ugly. Had a Broken face. I get it. Its not like he struggled before and after that year...oh wait.

Against the celtics. Really ugly.

To me the injury excuses dont pass the smell test... If he's well enough to drop 20-30 in the first 3 quarters why is he only injured in the 4th?

The conclusion to me is he just isnt built for it.

Softer mentally than he is physically.

This is not even to get into his whining, crying about jokic and mvps, and throwing teammates under the bus after every playoff burnout or how he consistently flops so much hes a danger to everyine on the court including his own teammates. Danny greens knees say hi.


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[og15]

It’s such an ugly look on the game when the guy they deemed MVP is the same guy that’s game is predicated on flopping to draw fouls.

Harden also won an MVP playing this way. NBA doesn't seem to care.

I'd say he's properly hated.

So the NBA should ban media members from voting for a high impact player because he flops? Lol

Doesn't even make sense. Bruce Bowen was taking ankles, kicking in the air, elbowing guys, and flopping on defense and he was getting All-Defense.