Hornets Lineup Talk

[fatlever]

theo needs to be completely out of the rotation, asap. try someone else ffs.

[JDR720]

Theo as the off-ball shooter? The guy shooting 11% from 3 and under 30% the previous 2 seasons?

Realistically I think Clifford will keep the same lineup even after Miles returns. Miles will be out of shape and out of rhythm and probably only be able to play 20-25 mins the first 5 games anyways. Clifford will probably wait until Miles forces his hand by playing so well that he moves him to starters.

Miles and Miller are versatile too, so they can play 2/3, 3/4 or 2/4 as the first subs off the bench.

Yeah, like I said, we don't have good options for that role.

[luciano-davidwesley]

theo needs to be completely out of the rotation, asap. try someone else ffs.

He's not shooting the ball well but other than that I think he's been really solid everywhere else.

[JMAC3]

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Yup good thing we don't have Oubre. We can play McGowens 25 mpg instead. Hurray

[Liver_Pooty]

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Yup good thing we don't have Oubre. We can play McGowens 25 mpg instead. Hurray

Im fine with Miller getting 36 minutes tbh.

[amcoolio]

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Yup good thing we don't have Oubre. We can play McGowens 25 mpg instead. Hurray

If we had Oubre, we'd win 0 more games over the next few weeks. The Hornets are going 30-52 both if Oubre is on the team or if McGowens gets those minutes. Its so inconsequential I'm not sure why it keeps getting brought up

[GoBobs]

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Yup good thing we don't have Oubre. We can play McGowens 25 mpg instead. Hurray

If we had Oubre, we'd win 0 more games over the next few weeks. The Hornets are going 30-52 both if Oubre is on the team or if McGowens gets those minutes. Its so inconsequential I'm not sure why it keeps getting brought up

You mean the Kelly Oubre that is averaging 18 pts on a career high .642 true shooting percentage and 42% from 3pt range? You don't think that guy could help us win one or two more game that McGowens.....

[Walt Cronkite]

You mean the Kelly Oubre that is averaging 18 pts on a career high .642 true shooting percentage and 42% from 3pt range? You don't think that guy could help us win one or two more game that McGowens.....

To what end? It's one thing if he's contributing one or two wins over McGowens on the 2nd best team in the East, but on the 3rd worst? If the Hornets are that bad, they should be bad. Oubre would not be posting those career high numbers in Charlotte and they are likely to revert to his norm in Philly. Isn't he notoriously streaky?

[MPM]

We should have a dedicated thread where Oubre chatter can be quarantined until it suffocates itself to death. Kelly is a career negative - there's a reason GSW fans were so happy to see him go after averaging 15.5 for them. And, let's not forget for all his dreaminess and miraculous streaks, he shot 31.9% from 3 for us last year while giving us nothing else. Bryce currently sucks, but he's 20, and shot 32.5% from 3 last year in 17 mins per game (a bit more than half of Oubre's).

Not that the Oubre conversation should have anything to do with Bryce, but some perspective. Neither guy's contributing to winning, so why have the minute-demanding game-losing vet on the squad when you can play our smart, promising #2 pick extended minutes while vetting youngin's and waiting for Bridges to get back?

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If Miller plays well while Rozier is out, I'd like to see Clifford try Hayward in a 6th man role running the second unit. I think he could solve a lot of problems with our bench with his ability to facilitate the offense. Not even saying his overall minutes should change that much, just think he would thrive in that staggered role

[amcoolio]

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Yup good thing we don't have Oubre. We can play McGowens 25 mpg instead. Hurray

If we had Oubre, we'd win 0 more games over the next few weeks. The Hornets are going 30-52 both if Oubre is on the team or if McGowens gets those minutes. Its so inconsequential I'm not sure why it keeps getting brought up

You mean the Kelly Oubre that is averaging 18 pts on a career high .642 true shooting percentage and 42% from 3pt range? You don't think that guy could help us win one or two more game that McGowens.....

That Kelly Oubre is playing for a sound organization in a structured, efficient offense with a superstar player

The Hornets are not that. The Hornets are a bad organization. He immediately becomes way worse here. You know that.

[GoBobs]

We should have a dedicated thread where Oubre chatter can be quarantined until it suffocates itself to death. Kelly is a career negative - there's a reason GSW fans were so happy to see him go after averaging 15.5 for them. And, let's not forget for all his dreaminess and miraculous streaks, he shot 31.9% from 3 for us last year while giving us nothing else. Bryce currently sucks, but he's 20, and shot 32.5% from 3 last year in 17 mins per game (a bit more than half of Oubre's).

Not that the Oubre conversation should have anything to do with Bryce, but some perspective. Neither guy's contributing to winning, so why have the minute-demanding game-losing vet on the squad when you can play our smart, promising #2 pick extended minutes while vetting youngin's and waiting for Bridges to get back?

Bryce made 26 3s last year and averaged 5 pts per game. Oubre made 108 3s and averaged 20 per game. Oubre contributes more than winning than Bryce does.

The goal is to get to the playoffs so our guys can experience that and grow as a result. The goal is to win games right now.

I'm sure Oubre would not complain about minutes if he was getting 8 million instead of 1 million. Then we might also have some salary to use in a trade if we want to make one.

[GoBobs]

If we had Oubre, we'd win 0 more games over the next few weeks. The Hornets are going 30-52 both if Oubre is on the team or if McGowens gets those minutes. Its so inconsequential I'm not sure why it keeps getting brought up

You mean the Kelly Oubre that is averaging 18 pts on a career high .642 true shooting percentage and 42% from 3pt range? You don't think that guy could help us win one or two more game that McGowens.....

That Kelly Oubre is playing for a sound organization in a structured, efficient offense with a superstar player

The Hornets are not that. The Hornets are a bad organization. He immediately becomes way worse here. You know that.

Yeah, and he is still better than like 5 other guys on our roster when he is here.

[SWedd523]

Imagine saying it was a mistake to not give 8 million to a guy who signed a minimum deal

[JDR720]

The point isn't who is better or not. The point is Oubre shouldn't get playing time over younger players on this team.

He'd cut directly into Millers minutes. If/when Cody gets healthy, he he'd cut into his minutes too even though Cody is more useful.

That doesn't even count Miles.

So that leaves the group of young SG's.

Are they any good? No.

But that has less to do with Oubre and more to do with the FO not signing a veteran wing who is ok being the 9th man and instead rolling with a bunch of G-Leaguers.

Oubre would, on a healthy team, be the 5th or 6th wing. He wouldn't be ok with that role.

Gordon
Miles
Terry
Miller
Cody
Oubre
Thor
Rookies/prospects.

He has a good role in Philly. Playing off-ball to Embiid and being their 3rd/4th scorer.

He won't keep up this level of play. In their last game, they scored 146 points. Oubre scored 3. This is who he is, a microwave scorer who is either hot or cold. Will be interesting to see if the guys they got from the Clippers cut into his minutes if he gets cold for too long.

[MPM]

We should have a dedicated thread where Oubre chatter can be quarantined until it suffocates itself to death. Kelly is a career negative - there's a reason GSW fans were so happy to see him go after averaging 15.5 for them. And, let's not forget for all his dreaminess and miraculous streaks, he shot 31.9% from 3 for us last year while giving us nothing else. Bryce currently sucks, but he's 20, and shot 32.5% from 3 last year in 17 mins per game (a bit more than half of Oubre's).

Not that the Oubre conversation should have anything to do with Bryce, but some perspective. Neither guy's contributing to winning, so why have the minute-demanding game-losing vet on the squad when you can play our smart, promising #2 pick extended minutes while vetting youngin's and waiting for Bridges to get back?

Bryce made 26 3s last year and averaged 5 pts per game. Oubre made 108 3s and averaged 20 per game. Oubre contributes more than winning than Bryce does.

The goal is to get to the playoffs so our guys can experience that and grow as a result. The goal is to win games right now.

I'm sure Oubre would not complain about minutes if he was getting 8 million instead of 1 million. Then we might also have some salary to use in a trade if we want to make one.

Yeah, as mentioned - it's not about who's better between Bryce and Oubre. I only bring Bryce up as he continues to be brought up beside Oubre like it's some choose-your-pickup-player binary. Yes, currently Oubre is the better basketball player between the two and, yes, Oubre has no business being on the Hornets for all the reasons others and myself have made pretty clear.

[Rich4114]

I can't believe we're still debating Oubre. Yes, it's something else how efficient he's scoring for the Sixers but he's also a spot up shooter now while everyone worries about Embiid, Maxey and Harris. Kelly is a volume shooter so he'll always appear to be a scorer because of that. He would be getting minutes though for us right now, but I agree with most in that it wouldn't translate to more wins. Where we need depth is at the guard spot and big spot, not the wings as much.

[fatlever]

the only compelling argument to resigning oubre would be to have a tradable contract to combine
but.... are we to assume oubre would have signed here on a one year deal to be the 6th wing on a rebuilding team? my guess is he wanted a multiyear deal to stay here
if we had to sign him to a multiyear deal, who would want to trade for that, given that 29 team had zero interest in him this summer.

[JMAC3]

lol the Oubre discord here is hilarious. 90% of posters would rather play the owners 15 year old son over him because that is how bad Oubre is apparently. We get Oubre isn't some star but Jesus the rhetoric around here that he is the worst option to give minutes to in the NBA needs to stop. It is borderline embarrassing.

[Walt Cronkite]

I don't think he's the worst option in the NBA, but he's not a good option for this team.