The irony: Lakers complain to league about calls

[wco81]

Lakerd getting shafted is great I'm here for it.

Don't worry, after the calendar turns to the new year, the Lakers will get all those FTAs again.

Reeves will average a dozen again by himself.

[levon]

Lakerd getting shafted is great I'm here for it.

Don't worry, after the calendar turns to the new year, the Lakers will get all those FTAs again.

Reeves will average a dozen again by himself.

The Lakers were tied for second to last in three pt attempts per possession last season, and tied for second in free throw attempts per possession. The Warriors were tied for second in 3pt attempts per possession and last in free throw attempts per possession. They got calls because they attacked the rim and in the midrange for the vast majority of their offense. Reaves gets those calls all in and around the paint and is actually trying to score all of the time. LeBron and AD are actually trying to score all of the time. The real swingthrough foul merchant players were Schroder and DLo, and with Schroder gone so far the Lakers are 10th in FTA/possession.

Since the LeBron era, they're basically an anachronistic basketball team that teams load up on in the paint and often foul to stop.

Incoming video of a Reaves flop and hur dur you're a Lakers fan so you don't understand our plight.

[picc]

This is so corny. Having Daryl Morey energy is never good.

The point isnt if Lebron is getting all the correct calls or not. The point is (1) who gives a ****, and (2) most franchises with a physical star player could do the same thing. This is embarrassing. Stop whining and lets get back to playing.

[levon]

This is so corny. Having Daryl Morey energy is never good.

The point isnt if Lebron is getting all the correct calls or not. The point is (1) who gives a ****, and (2) most franchises with a physical star player could do the same thing. This is embarrassing. Stop whining and lets get back to playing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/17q3zmy/the_lakers_talking_to_the_league_is_about_foul/

This is done by every team after every game. It's news because it generates clicks because of the team and player involved. It's literally standard procedure.

[oversteerdawg]

When you’re used to the below, I can see why they’d be upset.

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This chart is difficult to rely on without context. The Lakers had the 6th most paint touches in 2023 while taking the 5th fewest 3pt shots. They're two highest usage players are a SF/PF that drives to the basket and a PF/C that plays predominantly inside. That's a recipe for a free throw differential.

Context matters, you can't just look at totals.

[picc]

This is so corny. Having Daryl Morey energy is never good.

The point isnt if Lebron is getting all the correct calls or not. The point is (1) who gives a ****, and (2) most franchises with a physical star player could do the same thing. This is embarrassing. Stop whining and lets get back to playing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/17q3zmy/the_lakers_talking_to_the_league_is_about_foul/

This is done by every team after every game. It's news because it generates clicks because of the team and player involved. It's literally standard procedure.

Then its embarrassing that its headline news. Whoever is responsible for that, ind reporter or team official, should be embarrassed too. And that goes for any other team.

[VanWest82]

This is so corny. Having Daryl Morey energy is never good.

The point isnt if Lebron is getting all the correct calls or not. The point is (1) who gives a ****, and (2) most franchises with a physical star player could do the same thing. This is embarrassing. Stop whining and lets get back to playing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/17q3zmy/the_lakers_talking_to_the_league_is_about_foul/

This is done by every team after every game. It's news because it generates clicks because of the team and player involved. It's literally standard procedure.

But that's the point. Because of the team and player involved, it's going to get more traction than when other teams do it and so it puts more pressure on the league wrt this specific team and player.

Another poster itt pointed out FT differential pre and post Lebron complaint last year. It was huge. Fans don't like it because Lebron will probably get his way and so it will come across as whining to gain an unfair advantage - every team has missed calls - which is in character because it seems like he's always trying to gain an unfair advantage.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Lakerd getting shafted is great I'm here for it.

Don't worry, after the calendar turns to the new year, the Lakers will get all those FTAs again.

Reeves will average a dozen again by himself.

The Lakers were tied for second to last in three pt attempts per possession last season, and tied for second in free throw attempts per possession. The Warriors were tied for second in 3pt attempts per possession and last in free throw attempts per possession. They got calls because they attacked the rim and in the midrange for the vast majority of their offense. Reaves gets those calls all in and around the paint and is actually trying to score all of the time. LeBron and AD are actually trying to score all of the time. The real swingthrough foul merchant players were Schroder and DLo, and with Schroder gone so far the Lakers are 10th in FTA/possession.

Since the LeBron era, they're basically an anachronistic basketball team that teams load up on in the paint and often foul to stop.

Incoming video of a Reaves flop and hur dur you're a Lakers fan so you don't understand our plight.

For what it's worth... when the Lakers were on their legendary, unprecedented late-season turnaround where they were averaging 12+ more FTAs per game than their opponents...

... James was out of the lineup. He missed 16 of the final 29 games.

As for the 3PA take... there are anomalies among other teams to dispute that. For example, Chicago was last in 3PA and way down the list for FTA, too. The Knicks took a lot of 3PA and FTA.

It's not really about the number of FTA for the Lakers as it is about the lack of FTA for opponents. The Lakers simply didn't foul teams nearly as much as anybody else... and they got better and better at that as the season progressed.

[Wallace_Wallace]

When you’re used to the below, I can see why they’d be upset.

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This chart is difficult to rely on without context. The Lakers had the 6th most paint touches in 2023 while taking the 5th fewest 3pt shots. They're two highest usage players are a SF/PF that drives to the basket and a PF/C that plays predominantly inside. That's a recipe for a free throw differential.

Context matters, you can't just look at totals.

You believe being the 6th most in paint touches could result in that big of a differential? We are talking about a 476 (1st place LAL) to 173 (2nd place SAC) difference.

Keep in mind, this is not Miami LeBron James who drives to the basket with unreal speed & power, nor this is Miami LeBron James who defends at a high level. Also, Anthony Davis has not been the same the last couple seasons. Schroeder has been a journeyman these last couple seasons. Austin Reeves.....I refer to what I said on Post #12

[wco81]

This is so corny. Having Daryl Morey energy is never good.

The point isnt if Lebron is getting all the correct calls or not. The point is (1) who gives a ****, and (2) most franchises with a physical star player could do the same thing. This is embarrassing. Stop whining and lets get back to playing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/17q3zmy/the_lakers_talking_to_the_league_is_about_foul/

This is done by every team after every game. It's news because it generates clicks because of the team and player involved. It's literally standard procedure.

But that's the point. Because of the team and player involved, it's going to get more traction than when other teams do it and so it puts more pressure on the league wrt this specific team and player.

Another poster itt pointed out FT differential pre and post Lebron complaint last year. It was huge. Fans don't like it because Lebron will probably get his way and so it will come across as whining to gain an unfair advantage - every team has missed calls - which is in character because it seems like he's always trying to gain an unfair advantage.

Lakers are off to a slower start than they expected so they want the league to know they expect the same officiating as the last half of last season and into the playoffs.

[Marrrcuss]

https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/17q3zmy/the_lakers_talking_to_the_league_is_about_foul/

This is done by every team after every game. It's news because it generates clicks because of the team and player involved. It's literally standard procedure.

But that's the point. Because of the team and player involved, it's going to get more traction than when other teams do it and so it puts more pressure on the league wrt this specific team and player.

Another poster itt pointed out FT differential pre and post Lebron complaint last year. It was huge. Fans don't like it because Lebron will probably get his way and so it will come across as whining to gain an unfair advantage - every team has missed calls - which is in character because it seems like he's always trying to gain an unfair advantage.

Lakers are off to a slower start than they expected so they want the league to know they expect the same officiating as the last half of last season and into the playoffs.

Slipping in an excuse as to why the lakers beat the Warriors in 6 games?

[levon]

Don't worry, after the calendar turns to the new year, the Lakers will get all those FTAs again.

Reeves will average a dozen again by himself.

The Lakers were tied for second to last in three pt attempts per possession last season, and tied for second in free throw attempts per possession. The Warriors were tied for second in 3pt attempts per possession and last in free throw attempts per possession. They got calls because they attacked the rim and in the midrange for the vast majority of their offense. Reaves gets those calls all in and around the paint and is actually trying to score all of the time. LeBron and AD are actually trying to score all of the time. The real swingthrough foul merchant players were Schroder and DLo, and with Schroder gone so far the Lakers are 10th in FTA/possession.

Since the LeBron era, they're basically an anachronistic basketball team that teams load up on in the paint and often foul to stop.

Incoming video of a Reaves flop and hur dur you're a Lakers fan so you don't understand our plight.

For what it's worth... when the Lakers were on their legendary, unprecedented late-season turnaround where they were averaging 12+ more FTAs per game than their opponents...

... James was out of the lineup. He missed 16 of the final 29 games.

As for the 3PA take... there are anomalies among other teams to dispute that. For example, Chicago was last in 3PA and way down the list for FTA, too. The Knicks took a lot of 3PA and FTA.

It's not really about the number of FTA for the Lakers as it is about the lack of FTA for opponents. The Lakers simply didn't foul teams nearly as much as anybody else... and they got better and better at that as the season progressed.

I see you're still super earnestly confused as to why a team with the best defender in the league on it who just added another plus defender in Vando and a defensive scheme that closes out short to 3s would be good at defending without fouling. Keep at it friend, you'll get there one of these years.

Here's a hint to get you on the right track: do you wanna know who was second to last in total fouls committed? The Bucks. In fact the Bucks were near the bottom of the league in fouls committed for the last three seasons, whereas the Lakers have been median except for last season. I'll let you figure out the through line between the 2021-2023 Bucks and the 2023 Lakers. I'm sure you'll get back to me if you need help.

[kenwood3333]

Lakers can threaten to sit out LeBron if league does nothing.

[Karate Diop]

When you’re used to the below, I can see why they’d be upset.

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https://www.si.com/nba/2023/11/07/lakers-complain-to-nba-about-lack-of-calls-for-lebron-james

The team that has benefited the most in NBA history from phantom reffing, complaints about lack of calls. Cry me a river.

Anytime the Lakers, Celtics or Warriors complain about calls I get an uncontrollable fit of laughter

Warriors aren't even in that chart.

It's not just about what gets called in your favor, it's also about what you get away with. The Warriors are allowed to walk a marathon and still wouldn't be called for a moving screen.

[AussieCeltic]

When you’re used to the below, I can see why they’d be upset.

Read on Twitter

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This chart is difficult to rely on without context. The Lakers had the 6th most paint touches in 2023 while taking the 5th fewest 3pt shots. They're two highest usage players are a SF/PF that drives to the basket and a PF/C that plays predominantly inside. That's a recipe for a free throw differential.

Context matters, you can't just look at totals.

The context added nothing. If you told me they had the most paint touches by a wide margin and the least amount of 3 point shots by a wide margin then maybe you could make an argument to why the differential was so high.

It’s not that they’re #1, it’s that they’re #1 by such a large margin. Statistics wise, you just shouldn’t have that type of anomaly without some sort of reasonable justification.

[dockingsched]

According to realgm GM math,

If team A gets fouled 100 times and refs only call 80 of them, and team B gets fouled 50 times and refs give them all 50 calls…the refs are favoring team A cause them gave them more calls

This along with thinking all 3 pointers are equally as difficult is one of the few outdated relics of how real gm’ers use data.

[AbeVigodaLive]

The Lakers were tied for second to last in three pt attempts per possession last season, and tied for second in free throw attempts per possession. The Warriors were tied for second in 3pt attempts per possession and last in free throw attempts per possession. They got calls because they attacked the rim and in the midrange for the vast majority of their offense. Reaves gets those calls all in and around the paint and is actually trying to score all of the time. LeBron and AD are actually trying to score all of the time. The real swingthrough foul merchant players were Schroder and DLo, and with Schroder gone so far the Lakers are 10th in FTA/possession.

Since the LeBron era, they're basically an anachronistic basketball team that teams load up on in the paint and often foul to stop.

Incoming video of a Reaves flop and hur dur you're a Lakers fan so you don't understand our plight.

For what it's worth... when the Lakers were on their legendary, unprecedented late-season turnaround where they were averaging 12+ more FTAs per game than their opponents...

... James was out of the lineup. He missed 16 of the final 29 games.

As for the 3PA take... there are anomalies among other teams to dispute that. For example, Chicago was last in 3PA and way down the list for FTA, too. The Knicks took a lot of 3PA and FTA.

It's not really about the number of FTA for the Lakers as it is about the lack of FTA for opponents. The Lakers simply didn't foul teams nearly as much as anybody else... and they got better and better at that as the season progressed.

I see you're still super earnestly confused as to why a team with the best defender in the league on it who just added another plus defender in Vando and a defensive scheme that closes out short to 3s would be good at defending without fouling. Keep at it friend, you'll get there one of these years.

Here's a hint to get you on the right track: do you wanna know who was second to last in total fouls committed? The Bucks. In fact the Bucks were near the bottom of the league in fouls committed for the last three seasons, whereas the Lakers have been median except for last season. I'll let you figure out the through line between the 2021-2023 Bucks and the 2023 Lakers. I'm sure you'll get back to me if you need help.

Ummm... Did you mean to respond to somebody else and accidentally quote me or something?

Your response is all over the place and largely irrelevant or even supportive to what I wrote.

[levon]

When you’re used to the below, I can see why they’d be upset.

Read on Twitter

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This chart is difficult to rely on without context. The Lakers had the 6th most paint touches in 2023 while taking the 5th fewest 3pt shots. They're two highest usage players are a SF/PF that drives to the basket and a PF/C that plays predominantly inside. That's a recipe for a free throw differential.

Context matters, you can't just look at totals.

The context added nothing. If you told me they had the most paint touches by a wide margin and the least amount of 3 point shots by a wide margin then maybe you could make an argument to why the differential was so high.

It’s not that they’re #1, it’s that they’re #1 by such a large margin. Statistics wise, you just shouldn’t have that type of anomaly without some sort of reasonable justification.

Once again. The disparity is caused by two sides of the ball. The Lakers FTr/possession wasn't even first in the league last season. The context starts with doing the most basic thing in stats, which is normalization. One of the first things you learn in data visualization (and just basic comprehension) is that while statements can be true, they can also be put forth with the explicit intent to mislead. We can then have a discussion about how FTr/possession deviated from other teams that year, and to compare that spread to previous seasons. Hint: it wasn't even close to being an outlier historically. They're a paint team second-to-last in 3pt attempts and employed Dennis Schroder, Austin Reaves, and DLo as their guards.

What really accounts for the disparity is the fact that the Lakers also didn't put players on the line for that same stretch. And that's because their defense became more functional with Vando in, AD actually playing games in 2023 (his first consistent stretch since 2020) and the Lakers running the Bucks defense. The Bucks were also bottom in the league in fouls committed for multiple seasons prior.

[levon]

For what it's worth... when the Lakers were on their legendary, unprecedented late-season turnaround where they were averaging 12+ more FTAs per game than their opponents...

... James was out of the lineup. He missed 16 of the final 29 games.

As for the 3PA take... there are anomalies among other teams to dispute that. For example, Chicago was last in 3PA and way down the list for FTA, too. The Knicks took a lot of 3PA and FTA.

It's not really about the number of FTA for the Lakers as it is about the lack of FTA for opponents. The Lakers simply didn't foul teams nearly as much as anybody else... and they got better and better at that as the season progressed.

I see you're still super earnestly confused as to why a team with the best defender in the league on it who just added another plus defender in Vando and a defensive scheme that closes out short to 3s would be good at defending without fouling. Keep at it friend, you'll get there one of these years.

Here's a hint to get you on the right track: do you wanna know who was second to last in total fouls committed? The Bucks. In fact the Bucks were near the bottom of the league in fouls committed for the last three seasons, whereas the Lakers have been median except for last season. I'll let you figure out the through line between the 2021-2023 Bucks and the 2023 Lakers. I'm sure you'll get back to me if you need help.

Ummm... Did you mean to respond to somebody else and accidentally quote me or something?

Your response is all over the place and largely irrelevant or even supportive to what I wrote.

The Lakers simply didn't foul teams nearly as much as anybody else... and they got better and better at that as the season progressed.

I see you're still super earnestly confused as to why a team with the best defender in the league on it who just added another plus defender in Vando and a defensive scheme that closes out short to 3s would be good at defending without fouling.

Now you're just pretending to totally miss the plot, or actually succeeding at it? Or is it the tired shtick of pretending you're not actually accusing the league of bias?

[Edrees]

If you wonder why NBA officaiting will never get good, look at yourselves in the mirror. You aren't holding bad officiating accountable simply because of past transgressions. If you actually support poor officiating when it's someone you don't like, you're just inviting and proliferating an NBA where that is eternity of bad calls against your own teams . It's the NBA officiating version of "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." You laugh or let obvious bad calls slide, and you open up pandoras box to the NBA never trying to make things better.

A bad call is a bad call, and unless you are willing to admit that even when it's someone you hate, you pretty much forfeit the right to complain about bad calls that come to your own teams in the future.

You know, you CAN admit the Lakers get a generally favorable whistle but also admit Lebron specifically gets an extremely unfavorable whistle compared to other players of his calibur. Both can be true.