3 Point Shooters we should trade for

[OrlMagic05]

KAT..?

He would actually be a great fit for this team I believe, but they would definitely ask for package around Franz which is a nonstarter right now.

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I'm not saying we should ignore 3pt shooting. But in Ingles, Jett, Harris, Cole, Wendell, Franz, Isaac, we probably have enough to keep us out of the bottom third in vol/%, which is when spacing becomes a problem.

What we don't have is a halfcourt initiator, we don't have anywhere near enough off-ball movement, we give up on swinging the ball at crucial moments and we need to develop Franz/Paolo's iso games.

Mike Conley would make a huge difference to this team, even at his stage in his career. Maybe Black develops to the point where he's a viable starter on a team that wants to get to the playoffs, but I doubt it this year.

Thank you.

Orlando hasn’t had a real point guard that “runs” anything specific. It also isn’t Mosely’s calling card. I dislike this trend in the nba of the “ultra athletic point guard” that doesn’t run a real system offense except for getting to the rim themselves in isolation (Westbrook, Ja, Fultz). It’s annoying to watch and isn’t efficient. There is a reason nobody has won a championship that way in the modern era. The offense just stands around and waits.

There also isn’t enough movement off ball. Yeah, The Magic can get rolling downhill in transition. However, Iike we saw last game, as soon as they are set in the half court the offense goes stagnant. Teams know we are going to the rim 90% of the time or taking a low % shot based on the numbers. That’s why Mosely gets pissed off when Paolo can’t get to the line. It’s like half the offense at this point.

I was against Mike Conley before, but I get the idea at least. I don’t like this idea of developing Paolo in an offense that refuses to run him as a pick and roll option for lack thereof. He’s not that great as a point forward yet and Orlando doesn’t have the spacing for that to even make sense.

Orlando’s problem isn’t 3 point shooting per se. it’s that the talent they have doesn’t mix well together and the offense suffers because of it.

[pepe1991]

When you keep drafting PGs to not play them at PG what execlly do you expect?

Players have habbits, habbits that led them to NBA. It's very hard to adjust to something if your whole purpose and existence in that sport was doing thing(s) you are now told not to do.
PGs like to hold ball. That's their natural enviroment, it's like mid field soccer player , no matter how fast he is, once you put him on wing he feels lost, because he doesn't know what to do without ball. Or tennis player playing double and attacking inner lines instad of outlines.


We do play better in transition, but that's natural for young team. They are fast, young and athletic.

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When you keep drafting PGs to not play them at PG what execlly do you expect?

Players have habbits, habbits that led them to NBA. It's very hard to adjust to something if your whole purpose and existence in that sport was doing thing(s) you are now told not to do.
PGs like to hold ball. That's their natural enviroment, it's like mid field soccer player , no matter how fast he is, once you put him on wing he feels lost, because he doesn't know what to do without ball. Or tennis player playing double and attacking inner lines instad of outlines.


We do play better in transition, but that's natural for young team. They are fast, young and athletic.

I agree.

It’s just massively annoying because anyone that knows anything knows it isn’t sustainable. Veteran, well coached, teams will just slow you down and make you create offense in a half court.

I know Mosely isn’t stupid. So I’m going to make an educated guess that he doesn’t run a pick and roll game with a 6’10 260lb PF with great passing ability because he lacks a capable point guard that can actually do it efficiently. That’s the only possible reason he doesn’t.

The floor spacing is just the cherry on top. The offense is just smashing a square peg into a round hole and the FO’s plan is development without the right pieces while fans expect wins now on a shortened timeframe.

[Audi]

When you keep drafting PGs to not play them at PG what execlly do you expect?

Players have habbits, habbits that led them to NBA. It's very hard to adjust to something if your whole purpose and existence in that sport was doing thing(s) you are now told not to do.
PGs like to hold ball. That's their natural enviroment, it's like mid field soccer player , no matter how fast he is, once you put him on wing he feels lost, because he doesn't know what to do without ball. Or tennis player playing double and attacking inner lines instad of outlines.


We do play better in transition, but that's natural for young team. They are fast, young and athletic.

I agree.

It’s just massively annoying because anyone that knows anything knows it isn’t sustainable. Veteran, well coached, teams will just slow you down and make you create offense in a half court.

I know Mosely isn’t stupid. So I’m going to make an educated guess that he doesn’t run a pick and roll game with a 6’10 260lb PF with great passing ability because he lacks a capable point guard that can actually do it efficiently. That’s the only possible reason he doesn’t.

The floor spacing is just the cherry on top. The offense is just smashing a square peg into a round hole and the FO’s plan is development without the right pieces while fans expect wins now on a shortened timeframe.

Well, no. We ran PnR regardless of our poor efficiency. Don't put the cart before the horse. We ranked 10th in the league in PnR frequency last season. Problem is we were also ranked 23rd in PnR efficiency. Main culprit for this, as we can all imagine, is our familiar friend: poor shooting.

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When you keep drafting PGs to not play them at PG what execlly do you expect?

Players have habbits, habbits that led them to NBA. It's very hard to adjust to something if your whole purpose and existence in that sport was doing thing(s) you are now told not to do.
PGs like to hold ball. That's their natural enviroment, it's like mid field soccer player , no matter how fast he is, once you put him on wing he feels lost, because he doesn't know what to do without ball. Or tennis player playing double and attacking inner lines instad of outlines.


We do play better in transition, but that's natural for young team. They are fast, young and athletic.

I agree.

It’s just massively annoying because anyone that knows anything knows it isn’t sustainable. Veteran, well coached, teams will just slow you down and make you create offense in a half court.

I know Mosely isn’t stupid. So I’m going to make an educated guess that he doesn’t run a pick and roll game with a 6’10 260lb PF with great passing ability because he lacks a capable point guard that can actually do it efficiently. That’s the only possible reason he doesn’t.

The floor spacing is just the cherry on top. The offense is just smashing a square peg into a round hole and the FO’s plan is development without the right pieces while fans expect wins now on a shortened timeframe.

Well, no. We ran PnR regardless of our poor efficiency. Don't put the cart before the horse. We ranked 10th in the league in PnR frequency last season. Problem is we were also ranked 23rd in PnR efficiency.

I don't really believe that.

If it was actually being run I haven't seen it with Paolo for whatever reason in a half court set. Unless they are counting semi-transition PnR **** Fultz runs before taking a mid range jumper or maybe with Carter underneath from Franz (?). I guess you could count that, but thats not really a "set" play in a completely set half court.

Either way, it isn't and hasn't been efficient. A majority of Orlando's points are coming in the paint from a cutting Franz or Paolo iso. They blow teams out when they can actually hit shots. Go figure.

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I know Mosely isn’t stupid. So I’m going to make an educated guess that he doesn’t run a pick and roll game with a 6’10 260lb PF with great passing ability because he lacks a capable point guard that can actually do it efficiently. That’s the only possible reason he doesn’t.

Or, the more likely answer - Paolo isn’t a very good roll man option yet. I think what these early games should have shown is that Paolo is a ball handler, not a big. Steve Kerr had Paolo playing with some of the best point guards in the game and he couldn’t turn Paolo into a PnR monster. And Paolo’s effectiveness really seems to fall off when he’s not the primary playmaker.

Using this season to give Paolo and Franz more on-ball reps running the offense is probably better for them long term. Getting other guys better prepared to space the floor with shooting (like Suggs/Black/Goga/Houstan/Howard) is probably better for their overall development too.

To me, the playmaking/spacing issues are a bit chicken and egg. You need one to help the other, and right now I don’t think we’ve been making the best passes for our shooters just as much as we’ve been missing shots and making it harder to attack the paint.

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I know Mosely isn’t stupid. So I’m going to make an educated guess that he doesn’t run a pick and roll game with a 6’10 260lb PF with great passing ability because he lacks a capable point guard that can actually do it efficiently. That’s the only possible reason he doesn’t.

Or, the more likely answer - Paolo isn’t a very good roll man option yet. I think what these early games should have shown is that Paolo is a ball handler, not a big. Steve Kerr had Paolo playing with some of the best point guards in the game and he couldn’t turn Paolo into a PnR monster. And Paolo’s effectiveness really seems to fall off when he’s not the primary playmaker.

Using this season to give Paolo and Franz more on-ball reps running the offense is probably better for them long term. Getting other guys better prepared to space the floor with shooting (like Suggs/Black/Goga/Houstan/Howard) is probably better for their overall development too.

To me, the playmaking/spacing issues are a bit chicken and egg. You need one to help the other, and right now I don’t think we’ve been making the best passes for our shooters just as much as we’ve been missing shots and making it harder to attack the paint.

I could buy that to an extent. Regardless, I would like to see it happen more often instead of Paolo catching the ball at the top of the key and diving downhill into multiple defenders. It's just crazy to think it can't happen when you watch these games with guys jacking up terrible low % shots instead of creating some space.

We have definitely seen stretches with Paolo on ball where he looks godly in rhythm. He's just not consistent enough, nor do we have the bail out options for it to be successful when defenses are completely set.

I agree with the playmaking/spacing issue. Moritz value in the second unit is making plays under the basket on offense. It just doesn't work elsewhere when defenses are aware. I'd like them to utilize Jett more and they probably will as the season goes on. It just makes sense from a development perspective with all of these glaring problems offensively.

[Skybox]

If we could just find a guy like...Jett Howard?

If we throw $25m at Hield without letting Jett get on the floor

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I know Mosely isn’t stupid. So I’m going to make an educated guess that he doesn’t run a pick and roll game with a 6’10 260lb PF with great passing ability because he lacks a capable point guard that can actually do it efficiently. That’s the only possible reason he doesn’t.

Or, the more likely answer - Paolo isn’t a very good roll man option yet. I think what these early games should have shown is that Paolo is a ball handler, not a big. Steve Kerr had Paolo playing with some of the best point guards in the game and he couldn’t turn Paolo into a PnR monster. And Paolo’s effectiveness really seems to fall off when he’s not the primary playmaker.

Using this season to give Paolo and Franz more on-ball reps running the offense is probably better for them long term. Getting other guys better prepared to space the floor with shooting (like Suggs/Black/Goga/Houstan/Howard) is probably better for their overall development too.

To me, the playmaking/spacing issues are a bit chicken and egg. You need one to help the other, and right now I don’t think we’ve been making the best passes for our shooters just as much as we’ve been missing shots and making it harder to attack the paint.

I could buy that to an extent. Regardless, I would like to see it happen more often instead of Paolo catching the ball at the top of the key and diving downhill into multiple defenders. It's just crazy to think it can't happen when you watch these games with guys jacking up terrible low % shots instead of creating some space.

We have definitely seen stretches with Paolo on ball where he looks godly in rhythm. He's just not consistent enough, nor do we have the bail out options for it to be successful when defenses are completely set.

I agree with the playmaking/spacing issue. Moritz value in the second unit is making plays under the basket on offense. It just doesn't work elsewhere when defenses are aware. I'd like them to utilize Jett more and they probably will as the season goes on. It just makes sense from a development perspective with all of these glaring problems offensively.

Ultimately it’s about our lead guys having counters for when defenses adapt, so it’s in Paolo’s interest to develop his post/big man game as well as his playmaking. And yeah, our off-ball guys need to work a lot harder to create off-ball action and open looks that aren’t them catching and ripping back into the paint.

If Suggs can become Devin Vassel-like then we’ll be in a good place.

Looking around the league, shooters get moved more than any other position, so I’d rather not move our guys to add a shooter unless they’re a shooter + defender like Vassel, Bridges or OG. Guys like Ross, Harris and Ingles swap teams pretty regularly so we should always be able to find one - just need to find one that will feed well off the looks our guys create.

[JF5]

I think we've hit a point in the league where there aren't too many 3 sharpshooters available. And if they are they're so poor defensively you cant really even play them.

I'm more in the camp of just having a really versatile offense from all 3 levels to combat the 3 point deficiencies this team has.

[HolyBug]

Just bring Vucevic back

[KillMonger]

Just bring Vucevic back

This legit made me laugh.... And I wasn't in the mood to laugh..... Thanks for that

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[ogmagicfan]

Just bring Vucevic back

Vucevic the past 3 seasons from 3:
31.4%
34.9%
27.8% (Current)

He honestly isn't that effective of a 3 pt shooter, and contract size is a lil too steep for a player who'll only continue to downgrade

[HolyBug]

Just bring Vucevic back

Vucevic the past 3 seasons from 3:
31.4%
34.9%
27.8% (Current)

He honestly isn't that effective of a 3 pt shooter, and contract size is a lil too steep for a player who'll only continue to downgrade

yup, I wonder if he can help other rookies to shoot better at 3pt line. (maybe not)

If we are talking about a better 3D, it's really not that easy, and if it was, ORL won't be the team he choose to stay.

Ignore everything to name someone out, I will say Norman Powell.

[drsd]

This 3D thing can simplify to just the "3". Orlando doesn't need the "D"; and a 3D wing is usually a max player anyhow.

The highest made-3 rates of non-max wings are: Grayson Allen, Max Strus, and Luguentz Dort.

Dort is in god-mode right now (and is thus untradeable), and Allen is going to have detractors. But Max Strus seems like an interesting thought for a swap with Suggs.

Other thoughts are Dillon Brooks and Corey Kispert.

[Mrrags009]

I hate to say it but there's a guy on Dallas who hits both needs .... If / when he becomes available Kyrie is a perfect fit for what this team needs

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[Rainwater]

I hate to say it but there's a guy on Dallas who hits both needs .... If / when he becomes available Kyrie is a perfect fit for what this team needs

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Lol, this is not happening.