Celtics Nice Dads, Let Sons Win! Loss vs PHI 11/8

[FlatearthZorro]

Not sure we can win a ton of games where JT is our 3rd option.

I don't think that that's necessarily true... We brought in Porzingis and Jrue to help and potentially carry the offense here and there.
I also disagree with the fact that both Brown/Tatum should take a crazy amount of shots for us to win. We need to move the ball, take the best shots available and play harder on defense. I believe our potential on defense is underrated. We could/should be a top 3 defensive team this year.
Hopefully, Pritchard can give us more eventually. I believe with him it's more nerves/confidence than ability. The guy can shoot and is a pretty decent passer. He also plays alright on defense.

[Red2]

I had high hopes for pritchard but he’s been a major disappointment

[TSmith0197]

Well at least we can stop pretending this team is some juggernaut or special in any way. They are a really good team playing for a title like alot of other really good teams.

This team is close to the 2008 team except they aren't, if that makes sense. Close yet too far.

The starting 5 can be special this year. But they still lack a leader and the mental toughness that KG brought. Also the 2008 team had firepower off the bench. This team has a terrible bench. Pritchard has been so disappointing. And Al should be like the 8th or 9th man, like PJ Brown. We need a legit 6th man and a 7th man.

It was a lot easier to build a bench in 2008 because the standard for a playable NBA player was much lower. In 2023 Tony Allen and young Rondo are unplayable because of their shooting. Eddie House is unplayable because he'd get targeted on D. Big Baby and Scal are unplayable because they suck. In 2007-8 these guys played significant minutes.

I’m pretty sure teams weren’t allow to play zone defense back in 2008 son. They were more iso plays back then. All those guys you mentioned were good man to man defenders even Eddie House. Todays zone defense allows for bums that can’t defend but shoot the 3 well to play in the NBA today.

[Fierce1]

This team is close to the 2008 team except they aren't, if that makes sense. Close yet too far.

The starting 5 can be special this year. But they still lack a leader and the mental toughness that KG brought. Also the 2008 team had firepower off the bench. This team has a terrible bench. Pritchard has been so disappointing. And Al should be like the 8th or 9th man, like PJ Brown. We need a legit 6th man and a 7th man.

It was a lot easier to build a bench in 2008 because the standard for a playable NBA player was much lower. In 2023 Tony Allen and young Rondo are unplayable because of their shooting. Eddie House is unplayable because he'd get targeted on D. Big Baby and Scal are unplayable because they suck. In 2007-8 these guys played significant minutes.

I’m pretty sure teams weren’t allow to play zone defense back in 2008 son. They were more iso plays back then. All those guys you mentioned were good man to man defenders even Eddie House. Todays zone defense allows for bums that can’t defend but shoot the 3 well play today, my boy.

Zone was allowed in the NBA starting in 2001-02.

[TSmith0197]

It was a lot easier to build a bench in 2008 because the standard for a playable NBA player was much lower. In 2023 Tony Allen and young Rondo are unplayable because of their shooting. Eddie House is unplayable because he'd get targeted on D. Big Baby and Scal are unplayable because they suck. In 2007-8 these guys played significant minutes.

I’m pretty sure teams weren’t allow to play zone defense back in 2008 son. They were more iso plays back then. All those guys you mentioned were good man to man defenders even Eddie House. Todays zone defense allows for bums that can’t defend but shoot the 3 well play today, my boy.

Zone was allowed in the NBA starting in 2001-02.

My bad then, I don’t remember seeing a lot of zones against the 2008 team. With Perk, Rondo, and TA teams should have utilized it more.

[Red2]

Brad is going to need to make a move for a bench scorer- not a shooter but a scorer. Of course joe could still screw that up by not playing the guy. Year 2 and joe still doesnt know how to use his bench

[Red2]

Why did we pass on Oubre? Or christian wood?

[Fierce1]

Why did we pass on Oubre? Or christian wood?

We can never know for sure.

Simple answer is Celtic front office didn't like them.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Celtics need to do something with Anemic Al.
Whatever defense he provides is eradicated by his onerous offense...

[BrianFitz]

By the playoffs Embiid will be staggering his ass up the court. We'll beat them for the hundredth straight year.

Exactly. Every year the Sixers are top 3 in the East. This is nothing new. Until Embiid shows - 1)He can consistently defeat double teams in the playoffs, 2) not get gassed as the games/series drag on longer, and 3)Not choke when the pressure is on - then I see no reason to expect a different result.

Yes Maxey is nice but it's not enough for them.

[Fierce1]

Yes, no doubt we can beat the Sixers in the playoffs.

The bigger problem is dumb plays and stupid mistakes from the Celtics will allow opposing teams to beat them.

Worst case scenario is #8 Miami takes down #1 Boston in the 1st round.

[BrianFitz]

JB just needs to keep it simple.

Less dribbling and more cuts to basket instead of iso ball.

Yep ... if only he would do it. And since we're throwing out wishes. I wish he would reinvent himself as a defensive stopper and then just do the things you said on offense. He has all the tools to be an amazing defender. But he's not.

[BK_2020]

JB just needs to keep it simple.

Less dribbling and more cuts to basket instead of iso ball.

Yep ... if only he would do it. And since we're throwing out wishes. I wish he would reinvent himself as a defensive stopper and then just do the things you said on offense. He has all the tools to be an amazing defender. But he's not.

He lacks the three most important tools: motor, intelligence, and selflessness.
Plus what tools does he have that screams amazing defender? He's average in height and length, not particularly strong, poor lateral movement, and really bad timing.

[BrianFitz]

JB just needs to keep it simple.

Less dribbling and more cuts to basket instead of iso ball.

Yep ... if only he would do it. And since we're throwing out wishes. I wish he would reinvent himself as a defensive stopper and then just do the things you said on offense. He has all the tools to be an amazing defender. But he's not.

He lacks the three most important tools: motor, intelligence, and selflessness.
Plus what tools does he have that screams amazing defender? He's average in height and length, not particularly strong, poor lateral movement, and really bad timing.

Disagree with the tools part. He is strong for his position. He's quick. Has good length for his position. Bad timing - yeah because that's a mental thing. Like I said - 1. it was a wish 2. he would have to reinvent himself.

Plenty of guys exactly his physical makeup are great defenders. I mean do I have to bring up that Jordan was pretty much Brown's exact height and weight?

The motor part again goes back to my point of him reinventing himself - less exertion on the offensive end trying to initiate when that's not his thing and all the goofy dribbling.

[BK_2020]

Yep ... if only he would do it. And since we're throwing out wishes. I wish he would reinvent himself as a defensive stopper and then just do the things you said on offense. He has all the tools to be an amazing defender. But he's not.

He lacks the three most important tools: motor, intelligence, and selflessness.
Plus what tools does he have that screams amazing defender? He's average in height and length, not particularly strong, poor lateral movement, and really bad timing.

Disagree with the tools part. He is strong for his position. He's quick. Has good length for his position. Bad timing - yeah because that's a mental thing. Like I said - 1. it was a wish 2. he would have to reinvent himself.

Plenty of guys exactly his physical makeup are great defenders. I mean do I have to bring up that Jordan was pretty much Brown's exact height and weight?

The motor part again goes back to my point of him reinventing himself - less exertion on the offensive end trying to initiate when that's not his thing and all the goofy dribbling.

I think we overestimate Jaylen's physical tools because he came up as a 2. He is a big 2. At the 3 he's neither big nor strong. But the biggest thing is motor and the mindset putting team success above individual success.

[BrianFitz]

He lacks the three most important tools: motor, intelligence, and selflessness.
Plus what tools does he have that screams amazing defender? He's average in height and length, not particularly strong, poor lateral movement, and really bad timing.

Disagree with the tools part. He is strong for his position. He's quick. Has good length for his position. Bad timing - yeah because that's a mental thing. Like I said - 1. it was a wish 2. he would have to reinvent himself.

Plenty of guys exactly his physical makeup are great defenders. I mean do I have to bring up that Jordan was pretty much Brown's exact height and weight?

The motor part again goes back to my point of him reinventing himself - less exertion on the offensive end trying to initiate when that's not his thing and all the goofy dribbling.

I think we overestimate Jaylen's physical tools because he came up as a 2. He is a big 2. At the 3 he's neither big nor strong. But the biggest thing is motor and the mindset putting team success above individual success.

I still think Jaylen is top 10 - 15% strength wise for NBA wings.

I couldn't agree more about mindset. Trust me when I say, it's a wish that I know will never come true.

[CelticsPride18]

After struggling in the first 2 games Hauser has been excellent on both ends.

[zoyathedestroya]

After struggling in the first 2 games Hauser has been excellent on both ends.

He's certainly one of the few bright spots past two games.

[AlCelticFan]

idk how pritch is so quick to the o rbs but not quick otherwise. he looks unsure of himself. not bad but not good enough.

Night and day from preseason. In preseason, he was playing like Vinnie the Microwave out there.

Some of that is deferral?
Some of that is being too short for the better competition in the regular season?
Some of that is confidence?

[AlCelticFan]

“We’re playing really close games against good teams.”

Brother you have probably the most talented roster in the league. Close games against other good teams is not a benchmark

Celtics are in trouble with this coach. He's turning a blind eye towards the team's ineptitude and instead is always about the "silver lining". If the coach can't acknowledge the team's shortcomings, we can't expect the players to do the same.

I'm tired of his attitude in press conferences. This guy thinks he's bill belichick. Buddy, you're losing games. Show some humility.

You don't expect him to air the team's dirty laundry tot he world in post-game interviews, right? Post-game interviews are just media engagement; they don't say much about the strategies and tactics going through the coaching staffs' minds behind the scenes, which are relatively secret. Should the coach tell the world what he thinks the shortcomings are? How does that help the Celtics win games?