Jaylen Brown Thread

[zoyathedestroya]

If goal is a title next 2-3 seasons, I'd be content with an opted-in Paul George as long as he pre-agrees to an extension ala Porzingis. He's a much better defender, playmaker, and offball player than Jaylen even at his age. Of course if you can fool a team to give up someone younger with a similar profile, you do that instead.

Ingram
Markkanen
OG
BRidges
Bane


Those guys would all be a sytemic upgrade over brown, imo

Markkanen would be my first choice on the list. I like OG but he's an FA I think. Isn't Ingram injured all the time? Bridges and Bane are too small with White/Jrue already on the roster.

[Hal14]

It's kind of a pointless thing to discuss right now for 2 reasons:

1) It's November and JB isn't eligible to be traded until like July. Mine as well park the discussion till then, especially since we have en entire season + playoffs that have yet to be played. A lot will probably change by then.

2) Either JB is gonna play great this season + playoffs (in which case, he isn't gonna be traded) or, he will play poorly (in which case, he won't be traded because if he plays poorly, it will look like a horrible contract that he's on - a contract no team would ever trade for)

[BK_2020]

To make Markkanen work the Jazz would have to include Caris and Clarkson, basically their entire lineup has to go out that's not on rookie contract or minimum or is not THT.
The more I think about it, the Nets make so much sense as a trading partner or the 3rd team because they have a large salary ballast (Ben Simmons). We could either take Simmons + Markkanen and play Simmons in a limited role or Simmons can go to a third team.

[BK_2020]

Right now, there really isn't any big difference between a Jaylen Brown and a Kelly Oubre who's being paid at the vet min.

I disagree in this sense:

There is ONE limitation that I can see. Kelly Oubre understands his limitations. Oubre knows his lane and he stays in it.

There are posters suggesting that JB is selfish is the cause for his play and I don't think that's it. I honestly don't think the man has a selfish bone in his body. His problem is that he doesn't know how to "see the floor" and he cannot process complex decision options based on what the defense is doing in real time yet continues to put himself in those difficult situations because he truly WANTS to help the team win. But beyond basic reads time and time again, history has shown that he just cannot do this with any consistency.

He's pretty selfish on top of all that. He regularly goes one on one vs other teams' role players to show them off, he doesn't pass to teammates in transition, and he rests on defense to focus on offense.

[Larry_Russell]

Jaylen routinly goes 1v3

Also

Jaylen 18.3 fga - 21.4ppg
Kristaps 12.3fga - 20.9ppg

KP is so much more efficient offensively....

[threrf23]

We can't trade him until the offseason, and I also don't think we can afford to look past this season just yet.

Would like to see Joe coach him, and by coach him, I mean ask him to play to both his strengths, to his teammates' strengths, and in line with our chosen offense....and to be willing to bench him if he doesn't do it.

Right now, we are literally a better team if Jaylen gets injured. We are talented enough to score without him. Even when he plays well and playing right, don't get me wrong he helps us, but he is taking usage away from Tatum and/or KP, DWhite, etc. Even when Tatum isn't playing so well, sometimes its because he struggles to achieve a rhythm and part of that is Jaylen interrupting his role.

And when Jaylen isn't playing right, he prevents the team from playing to its potential. Everyone else, except maybe sometimes Tatum, seems consistently willing to play team ball with a winning mindset. Jaylen breaks that, and probably serves as a poor lead for Tatum in the process.

Anyways, if trading Jaylen, I would be looking for a better, more consistent version of Sam Hauser to pair with Tatum, and/or a defensive minded big man to pair with KP (i.e. a better Grant).

[Fierce1]

Right now, there really isn't any big difference between a Jaylen Brown and a Kelly Oubre who's being paid at the vet min.

I disagree in this sense:

There is ONE limitation that I can see. Kelly Oubre understands his limitations. Oubre knows his lane and he stays in it.

There are posters suggesting that JB is selfish is the cause for his play and I don't think that's it. I honestly don't think the man has a selfish bone in his body. His problem is that he doesn't know how to "see the floor" and he cannot process complex decision options based on what the defense is doing in real time yet continues to put himself in those difficult situations because he truly WANTS to help the team win. But beyond basic reads time and time again, history has shown that he just cannot do this with any consistency.

In a way he's being selfish.

If Oubre understands his limitations, JB is the opposite.

JB clearly doesn't know his limitations.

He thinks he can do anything and everything on the basketball court.

That's being selfish because you're making the team lose!

[bucknersrevenge]

Right now, there really isn't any big difference between a Jaylen Brown and a Kelly Oubre who's being paid at the vet min.

I disagree in this sense:

There is ONE limitation that I can see. Kelly Oubre understands his limitations. Oubre knows his lane and he stays in it.

There are posters suggesting that JB is selfish is the cause for his play and I don't think that's it. I honestly don't think the man has a selfish bone in his body. His problem is that he doesn't know how to "see the floor" and he cannot process complex decision options based on what the defense is doing in real time yet continues to put himself in those difficult situations because he truly WANTS to help the team win. But beyond basic reads time and time again, history has shown that he just cannot do this with any consistency.

In a way he's being selfish.

If Oubre understands his limitations, JB is the opposite.

JB clearly doesn't know his limitations.

He thinks he can do anything and everything on the basketball court.

That's being selfish because you're making the team lose!

Maybe. One thing I remember Doc used to say during his coaching days that was legitimately wise:

"All players wanna win. But some wanna win their own way and only on their terms."

Doc might say that in this case.

People used to say Rob Williams was the ceiling raiser of this team but in a way I think it's Jaylen. If we win a title this year, I think it will be in large part due to Jaylen playing team ball and trusting his teammates. The fact that the kinds of BBall IQ-level mistakes are capable of occurring not just in Game 7 of the regular season but also Game 7 of the ECF make him in some ways the biggest X-factor in this team's championship run.

[Tyakack]

It sucks knowing our chance at a title would be greater with brown off the team in exchange for a high quality role player.

[BK_2020]

Zoya said this over in the game thread, so I took it here: "It's [Jaylen's talent] still a high ceiling against 90% of the league"

I like the way he put this. Because if you're goal is championships, suddenly 90% = 0%.

Musing a little over here, but if we can trade JB to a small market team that isn't realistically trying to win a championship that 0% goes to 90% and basically he's much more valuable to them for marketing dollars etc. I can only hope Celtics management understands all of this, being business savvy. As far as I can tell there was no reasonable way to trade JB (rather than sign him) and not lose way too much value in the process. Some small market team however may still love to trade for him once he's eligible.

Jaylen doesn't even have a shoe deal. I don't think his marketing power is all that great.

[Curmudgeon]

If the players aren't injured and the salaries match, I'll take anyone except James Harden or Zach Lavine.

[ryan in Maine]

We're 7 games in, guys. 7 games.

[Red2]

JB is all NBA 1st team in turnovers.

[AlCelticFan]

We're 7 games in, guys. 7 games.

7 games in to the season ... hundreds of games into watching Jaylen.

[ryan in Maine]

We're 7 games in, guys. 7 games.

7 games in to the season ... hundreds of games into watching Jaylen.

But 7 games of him learning to play with Jrue and Porzingis. It's reasonable that it would take JB the longest amount of time to adjust.

[Cricket23]

To Detroit for Bogdanovic, Stewart, and Ivey.

[RodyTur10]

Perhaps Atlanta is an interesting destination for Brown. I really like Jalen Johnson, a guy who is on a breakthrough.
They have Bogdan Bogdanovic who's a fantastic 6th man. And they want to move on from Capela (because of Okongwu).

Brown for Johnson, Bogdanovic, Capela (we save $8M on the payroll)

Atlanta's new starting five: Young/Murray/Brown/Hunter or Bey/Okongwu

Celtics new main rotation: Holiday/White/Tatum/Johnson/Porzingis (+ Bogdanovic/Hauser/Capela)

[redbeamer]

Any way we could get Mikal Bridges for Brown?

[BK_2020]

Any way we could get Mikal Bridges for Brown?

Probably need to take back Ben Simmons and send out Al to make salaries work but might not be a bad idea. He'll be a backup big.

Porzingis
Tatum
Mikal
White
Jrue

Ben10
Hauser
Walsh

Kornet
Pritchard
Banton, Brissett or whoever

[Jammer]

Any way we could get Mikal Bridges for Brown?

Probably need to take back Ben Simmons and send out Al to make salaries work but might not be a bad idea. He'll be a backup big.

Porzingis
Tatum
Mikal
White
Jrue

Ben10
Hauser
Walsh

Kornet
Pritchard
Banton, Brissett or whoever

I want nothing to do with Simmons, no matter what package you come up with.