PG - Medíocre

[kodo]

Lavine had almost a triple double, 22/8/8 on 54%/50% shooting. In an OT game everyone could have played a bit better, but he's pretty low on my blame list tonight. He was the setting up Vuc really well.

[BullChit]

You'd have to imagine the bench wipes the floor with the starters in training. Just based on Alex Caruso alone

[PaKii94]

You'd have to imagine the bench wipes the floor with the starters in training. Just based on Alex Caruso alone

Remember when Archi won that summer camp tournament over Zach that one year?

[BullChit]

You'd have to imagine the bench wipes the floor with the starters in training. Just based on Alex Caruso alone

Remember when Archi won that summer camp tournament over Zach that one year?

I do.... Best shooter alive...

[Dominator83]

I dunno...I thought it was a good game. Outside of the extreme hot and cold runs, the team played well. Defense was solid. Effort was commendable. I was entertained.

Had a shot to win it against a team better than us and couldn't do it. Not surprised.

Lots of talk about the Mid-3. Look, we know they're mid, right? So let's look at the team as a whole. Stop expecting guys to elevate a team when they have proven their not good enough to do it. Just a wait to be pissed off at something.

This team might actually look better if they got ANYTHING out of the 4 spot.

Don't forget though Sun's were missing their best player

[ChiefILL53]

Yea...it's time to blow this up. Phoenix gave them so many opportunities to win this game. Billy still had them leaving shooters open instead of running them off the line. I got home almost at 730 and whenever I turned the game on Grayson Allen made a 3 and they said that was his 6th...WHY on earth is he getting enough attempts, a lot which were open from what I saw from that point on, to make EIGHT??? That right there to me is a fireable offense alone, but how did the Suns go EIGHT AND A HALF MINUTES only scoring free throws, and we didnt go up by 8 points? Big changes are needed. Id be fine with keeping Coby and Alex and letting them run the show of whatever is left of the roster.


And speaking of Alex, after this game?

Watch on YouTube

Whoever wants him gotta PAY UP

[Ccwatercraft]

This was not a bad loss. I liked watching the game. It sucks to lose and we are not a team that will consistently these close games. We are 2-3 in clutch games now. That's not trash. That's the NBA. Trash games are the ones we let get away and are never competitive in, or the ones were we let teams just pull away in the 4th. We've had a couple of those this year too, so that is indicative of a disappointing season yet again, I agree with that.

But I'm seeing lots that I like ... and in contrast to other people's points, I'm seeing lots in these clutch loses that CAN be fixed.

For instance, Zach needs to get his quarters 1-3. He CANNOT be our go-to guy in the fourth. He needs to be a spot up shooter or cutter and play OFF-BALL in final minutes. He is so bad at reading the floor, and holding onto the ball in these moments. DeRozan, he's superb at it.

Pat to the bench WILL be a big evolution. Of course with each blocked shot we sigh. But I'm not going to let that erase the many spots tonight that were exciting and impactful from him. I like the growth that's already hinted at in his first couple games off the bench.

Coby was fire tonight. He only had some real scoring for one spurt (2nd Q I think). But he was playing like a real NBA impact starter.

Honestly, I would LOVE to see Pat match all his minutes with AC. Every time AC is out there with Coby, Coby plays a different brand of bball that's exciting and impactful. I've seen better from Pat when he's with AC too. On the flip side, Pat is his absolute worst when he's out there with the big 3.

On that note, I really like the many different rotation combos used tonight by Billy. The only one I hated was Ayo+Pat with big three. If hte big 3 are on the floor at the same time, it should ONLY be with vets and/or Coby (so AC/Craig/Carter). If Pat is on the floor, or Ayo, it should only be with 2 of the 3. And they should get more time with AC/Craig/Carter/Coby.

I still feel genuinely excited to watch this team every game. I think they will get a streak going sooner rather than later.

Ty for a pleasant post, all the other negatively is a real downer, I unfortunately missed the game but its waiting for me on my DVR and I'm a little baffled how we can lose to PHX in OT and it be described like we lost by 40.

[Wingy]

2 firsts for Caruso.

Dude can defend Kevin Durant 1:1 no problem.

Pay up, you cowards.

I thought it was an overpay last year. Now I’m not so sure. I just sent him to OKC in the trade thread!

Get AC to a top half playoff team so he can shine and get paid.

[prolific passer]

As sloppy as both teams are. The suns can fix their team pretty easy with the roster they currently have. Bulls can not.

Suns have zero trade assets remaining and have an old Beal and KD on the roster taking up a combined nearly $100M in salary cap space for like the next 5 years. Zero picks btw.

Yeah I know but the suns can start Goodwin at the point and move Allen to the bench which would help them out a little bit. Move Beal back to the 2. The real mess for the suns will be when Booker comes back.

[jacoby1us]

Same team yields the same results.
Good game by Caruso though!!!!

[Hangtime84]

I'll say this again we need dogs to support Caruso.

[DASMACKDOWN]

The combination of the big 3 actually killed any lineup they were a part of tonight. Our bench was a major positive. Our starters were a major negative.

Yep.

And Carter plays 13 mins.

Makes no sense.

This is the part that is seriously troubling.

I honestly dont remember any stretch so far, that Carter has played with all of Demar, Zach and Vooch. I could be wrong but its probably so few minutes to even notice.

I get it, Coby is the starting Pg. But the difference between him and Coby should NEVER cancel the other out.

Last night, did any else notice that Coby went completely scoreless in the second half? Zero points. Sure Coby did well defensively but so can Carter.

Its just not making any sense. There is nothing definitive that we can say, that you choose Coby over Carter. So there shouldnt be games where Carter plays 13 minutes and Coby plays 37 minutes.

The minutes should be more balanced like Craig and Pat. Carter should certainly be playing at least 20-22 mins per game. Right now hes at 15. Not good enough.

[FriedRise]

The combination of the big 3 actually killed any lineup they were a part of tonight. Our bench was a major positive. Our starters were a major negative.

Yep.

And Carter plays 13 mins.

Makes no sense.

This is the part that is seriously troubling.

I honestly dont remember any stretch so far, that Carter has played with all of Demar, Zach and Vooch. I could be wrong but its probably so few minutes to even notice.

I get it, Coby is the starting Pg. But the difference between him and Coby should NEVER cancel the other out.

Last night, did any else notice that Coby went completely scoreless in the second half? Zero points. Sure Coby did well defensively but so can Carter.

Its just not making any sense. There is nothing definitive that we can say, that you choose Coby over Carter. So there shouldnt be games where Carter plays 13 minutes and Coby plays 37 minutes.

The minutes should be more balanced like Craig and Pat. Carter should certainly be playing at least 20-22 mins per game. Right now hes at 15. Not good enough.

Carter has played 0 minutes so far with Zach, DeMar, and Vooch.

[Chi town]

Coby at PG is finished.

Zach and DDR now take turns at PG.

They aren’t as good as Coby either.

[Chi town]

3s

19-48

14-33

Guess who?

Grayson Allen was 8-13 himself.

Replace DDR with Grayson Allen and we are a playoff team. No cap. 3s, D, Effort. Can’t stand the guy though. Can’t stand DDR’s contested midrange bricks more though.

[Chi town]

I'll say this again we need dogs to support Caruso.

The 0-3 are kitty cats.

[ChettheJet]

How many coaches and rosters ago did we see a younger Bulls team that would fall way behind early then scratch and claw their way back only to find that 1st quarter 12,15, 20 point deficit too much to overcome? This starting 5 are not kids, Coby is year 5, Craig is a veteran they're the youngest but with no excuses.

Watch the pre game shows and see when Kendall and Will say that when Zach gets off to a fast start the whole team plays to a higher level. Where was Zach the first 8 minutes of the game, basically doing nothing. The bench came in and went harder on defense, forced turnovers and scored off those turnovers.

I know Zach and Demar are the two big stars, also the two biggest most fragile egos. At the end of regulation they were up by 2 with like 12 seconds left and needed a stop defensively. The Suns had their shooters on the floor. The smart basketball play, but hurtful to the egos of the big two, was to put Williams and Dosunmu in the game for defense to chase and trap the shooters and rebound. Couldn't do it.

I think the moves need to be made. The Bulls big 3 are veterans who just don't play like true veterans, Vuc can have some incredible 1st halves but gets ignored in the second half. Zach can really fill it yo for a quarter, Demar is able to score at will in the 4th quarter. But it just seems to come down to none of them are willing to take 2 steps back when the either of the other guys gets hot, and none of the three seem to be able to elevate the game of the other 2 guys on the floor who most times amount to decoys.

Every game now the evidence is, it's time to shuffle the deck and move on

[Chi town]

Lavine had almost a triple double, 22/8/8 on 54%/50% shooting. In an OT game everyone could have played a bit better, but he's pretty low on my blame list tonight. He was the setting up Vuc really well.

Zach was responsible for at least 6 wide open 3s.

He also had two costly turnovers in the last two mins.

He is only a winning player if he plays as a shooter but Billy won’t run him off any screens and when Zach does get the ball he dribbled into a tough contested 3 instead of shooting the open/lightly contested 3.

[drosestruts]

Build around Caruso.

I banged the no entitlement drum to start the season about Williams, I'm getting close to banging it for some additional players now too (Vuc and as sad as I am to say it, DeRozan).

Some pretty insane +/- tonight

Vuc's ability to rebound seems to have disappeared, which is far from ideal as he's often are only even decent rebounder on the court at times. If he can't rebound anymore, and he's still an inefficient volume scorer, what is it he provides?

Not going to get mad at Craig for occasionally looking like a vet-min player while making vet-min money.

We need to find more than 13 minutes a game for Carter (+10) and 12 minutes a game for Drummond (+15).

Things look so much better when we stagger LaVine, DeRozan, and Vuc yet we continue to start them and every game in a hole. Either adjust the lineups or make a trade.

Rough late turnovers from Zach, but a good game overall. He needs to not be so one-note at the end of games of driving as hard as he can with his head down. Coby has done great in developing better handles and some change of pace, would love to see Zach do the same to expand his game.

I think my biggest groan of the night was the late possession where Vuc was posted up against Nurkic, and just got the ball poked out from behind. No part of my body thought this play was going to work, and then it never even really got started.

2-3 in clutch games this season now/ There's no moral victories and close only counts in horse shoes and hand gernades. If we can't win close games, change something.

[Chi town]

How many coaches and rosters ago did we see a younger Bulls team that would fall way behind early then scratch and claw their way back only to find that 1st quarter 12,15, 20 point deficit too much to overcome? This starting 5 are not kids, Coby is year 5, Craig is a veteran they're the youngest but with no excuses.

Watch the pre game shows and see when Kendall and Will say that when Zach gets off to a fast start the whole team plays to a higher level. Where was Zach the first 8 minutes of the game, basically doing nothing. The bench came in and went harder on defense, forced turnovers and scored off those turnovers.

I know Zach and Demar are the two big stars, also the two biggest most fragile egos. At the end of regulation they were up by 2 with like 12 seconds left and needed a stop defensively. The Suns had their shooters on the floor. The smart basketball play, but hurtful to the egos of the big two, was to put Williams and Dosunmu in the game for defense to chase and trap the shooters and rebound. Couldn't do it.

I think the moves need to be made. The Bulls big 3 are veterans who just don't play like true veterans, Vuc can have some incredible 1st halves but gets ignored in the second half. Zach can really fill it yo for a quarter, Demar is able to score at will in the 4th quarter. But it just seems to come down to none of them are willing to take 2 steps back when the either of the other guys gets hot, and none of the three seem to be able to elevate the game of the other 2 guys on the floor who most times amount to decoys.

Every game now the evidence is, it's time to shuffle the deck and move on

The 0-3 make each other worse.

They are holding back the rest of the roster.

Trade DDR for a defensive PF and start Caruso and we are a playoff team.