2023-2024 Regular Season Game 8: Atlanta Hawks (4-3) vs. Orlando Magic (4-3) in Mexico City - 9:30pm

[Knightro]

Someone have some quick thoughts on fultz overall?.....i'm feeling kinda strange about him and i need to hear another point of view

He's terrible. Significantly worse than last year even.

He can still attack and make layups, but his 3PT and FT rates have both bottomed out and they were both already poor to begin with.

On top of that, last year he could carry the team for short stretches at times with his ability to dribble his way into midrange jumpers and right now that's completely gone too.

He's just out there getting in the way for the most part.

[ChosenSavior]

Someone have some quick thoughts on fultz overall?.....i'm feeling kinda strange about him and i need to hear another point of view

He didn't look as explosive as he usually is in this game. The twitch on his jumper is back as well which was not there in the preseason. His reluctance to shoot from the outside really clogged the paint. More and more, I think he's on borrowed time.

[KillMonger]

Goga was +7 and Ingles was +27 even though neither had a stat line that was very good. But I think that’s because they compliment guys well.

But Goga couldn’t be in the game to close because he doesn’t stretch the floor, so we went with Isaac (who played great and deserved to be out there).

Ingles and Goga probably should’ve closed this game with Paolo, Franz and Suggs. IMO.

Plus minus is pretty strange man....Ingles had plus 29 but he was getting cooked defensively and offensively he wasn't really effective...but he passed the ball around well

[Bensational]

Someone have some quick thoughts on fultz overall?.....i'm feeling kinda strange about him and i need to hear another point of view

He’s a productive player overall, but our young guys seem to have outgrown a need for what he brings. He’d be great off the bench, but we already have Cole locked up.

[Bensational]

Goga was +7 and Ingles was +27 even though neither had a stat line that was very good. But I think that’s because they compliment guys well.

But Goga couldn’t be in the game to close because he doesn’t stretch the floor, so we went with Isaac (who played great and deserved to be out there).

Ingles and Goga probably should’ve closed this game with Paolo, Franz and Suggs. IMO.

Plus minus is pretty strange man....Ingles had plus 29 but he was getting cooked defensively and offensively he wasn't really effective...but he passed the ball around well

For me +/- gives me a sense of what players are on the court when the team is really clicking on both sides. Whatever Ingles mistakes were tonight, they were offset by a margin of 20+ points whilst he was on the court.

[Knightro]

Markelle Fultz is the same guy he's been since the day the Magic acquired him.

He's a guy with a very good BACKUP point guard skill set who has been starting for this team for multiple years because they haven't been able (or willing) to go out and find anybody better.

Markelle could absolutely fill Cole's role as a 6th man and perhaps even do it better than Cole with his ability to push the ball and create shots for others in transition, but Cole's already locked up for relative peanuts and has more dynamic scoring output ability.

He's gotta go. Just a poor fit with the building blocks for this roster.

[KillMonger]

Someone have some quick thoughts on fultz overall?.....i'm feeling kinda strange about him and i need to hear another point of view

He didn't look as explosive as he usually is in this game. The twitch on his jumper is back as well which was not there in the preseason. His reluctance to shoot from the outside really clogged the paint. More and more, I think he's on borrowed time.

Really like Fultz but i'm wondering why the fit with Paolo and Fultz seems off all of a sudden.....with fultz he's playing like crap...without him he looks like himself...it's early maybe it'll smooth itself out but it's something in the back of my mind that i notice that doesn't seems to be going away

[G-Heel]

First game I'm super critical of Mose. Didn't like his lack of timeouts there at the end.

BUT... Franz gets an open floater.. Paolo missing open shots.. these are our "best" players. Come the F on and make shots man.

Same here. I'm starting to think Magic needs to reevaluate whether Mose is the right coach now that we're trying to compete.

That's not what I'm saying at all lol

I should've bolded the first paragraph. Also agreed that the players need to execute better.

Just wondering if Mose is the guy once Magic is serious about competing. He probably has time, since it seems like the FO isn't too worried about making the playoffs this year.

[KillMonger]

did we have a timeout on that last possession? i forget

[thelead]

did we have a timeout on that last possession? i forget

yeah, we had one to use but didn't

[Knightro]

did we have a timeout on that last possession? i forget

Yes, but they clearly wanted the Capela switch on Franz and the Hawks would have subbed Capela if the Magic called timeout.

[fateis007]

Can’t wait to see who the next whipping boy becomes once Fultz is gone.

You know it’s Suggs.

He can have 7 steals and go 4/5 from 3 and in two games people will make threads talking about why he isn’t a shooting guard that shoots.

Not sure where this Suggs whipping boy stuff is coming from. I literally haven't seen anyone really going hard at him. If anything, quite the opposite, his effort alone is enough to get praise every night. He is the epitome of effort.

We all know this game is played out. You give a guy a few years to grow into a role, he bombs it, you point it out, and then he becomes a whipping boy.

I personally have been pro-Fultz since day 1, just being a Magic fan, I hoped he could somehow get past his shoulder issues and develop a shot, or at the very least, become some sort of deadeye like Derozan.

But it's just not the reality of what is going on here, The guy is throwing hitchy push shots from the free line right now. Not sure he's getting the league min next year at this rate.

He just doesn't excel at anything else (creating, drawing free throws) to ignore the gaping hole in his game, that he is a starting point guard shooting 0% from 3.

[pepe1991]

We stay in games because of incredible hustle plays, dive for balls, go for 50-50 ball, score incredible amount of points off second chance ( well, tonight we blew up like 5 putbacks ... ). I wanted to make comment 2 days ago that we play and win on things that aren't sustainable for 82 games.

But once teams force us in half court and put pressure on our (bad) shooters to make harder shots, we just don't execute. Case and point 7-20 FG in 4th quter as a team.



Isaac had good plays on defense , Suggs jumper was wet, guy had like 7 steals. We did the dirty work, however, hustle plays can't cover for some defensive mistakes, if you give team 120 points on near 50-40 split, you probably won't win game, if your whole identitiy is defense.

We should probably keep playing fast pace offense because it allows us easy points, in half court we look lost right now.

Fultz, i really don't know what's there to say. We got him early in 2019, he was never better than DJ Augustin, he was just awarded starting job because "well =big trade = big role". I have been on "not starter" train for near 5 years now. How much more evidence you need? 10 years? I can't wait game where he makes 1 three so some posters can jump on " college Fultz" train ( nevermind fact Fultz wasn't really THAT good of a shooter before single college season AND most of his college numbers are inflated because he played on terrible, not competitive basketball team where he could padd stats).

[thelead]

Just throwing this out there since I'm a big fan of AB: he shot 1-2 from deep tonight in his 17 minutes. That will bring his 3pt % DOWN for the season

[Optimus_Steel]

Just throwing this out there since I'm a big fan of AB: he shot 1-2 from deep tonight in his 17 minutes. That will bring his 3pt % DOWN for the season

He continues to impress

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[Knightro]

The beauty of this thing is the Magic are in a position where they could make a consolidation trade that gets them a higher end starter/rotation player *and* get Black and Jett more minutes at the same time.

Of course I don’t anticipate them doing anything until at least December or January, if not closer to the trade deadline.

[KillMonger]

Someone have some quick thoughts on fultz overall?.....i'm feeling kinda strange about him and i need to hear another point of view

He's terrible. Significantly worse than last year even.

He can still attack and make layups, but his 3PT and FT rates have both bottomed out and they were both already poor to begin with.

On top of that, last year he could carry the team for short stretches at times with his ability to dribble his way into midrange jumpers and right now that's completely gone too.

He's just out there getting in the way for the most part.

i feel like i fell for the "off-season" hype.....all i heard on my timeline was fultz finally having a healthy offseason and that's what's going to get him back to "washington huskie" kelle....i fell for it....he came back from a "healthy offseason" more or less the same player....all i'm wondering is if they couldn't come to a deal they must be far apart on the numbers....how much does kelle think he's worth?

[eyriq]

Just throwing this out there since I'm a big fan of AB: he shot 1-2 from deep tonight in his 17 minutes. That will bring his 3pt % DOWN for the season

AB > Fultz, Cole

[ChosenSavior]

While we are on the subject of bad guard play, thought Cole was horrendous tonight. When he doesn't got it going offensively, his bad defense really stands out.

[KillMonger]

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