It's time to turn the page on Fultz.

OrlandoNed · Post #21 » by **OrlandoNed** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:32 am

Fultz and his skill set just makes life harder for Franz and Paolo. They just can't coexist on the floor.

byeganyo · Post #22 » by **byeganyo** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 10:33 am

pepe1991 wrote:5 years too late

He is worse than ever actually, which is surprising at least to me, in a contract year and with added experience.
Yesterday he made his first FT this season - after more than 120 minutes of play and is yet to make a 3pt after almost 150 minutes of game time. Last season for instance at this point Fultz had already made 5 3pts. So it's like he totally gave up of this shot. Maybe he is already thinking of retirement, i dont know.

SloNick Russia · Post #23 » by **SloNick Russia** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 11:09 am

8 games into the season, time to panic. It takes time for some players to get going, Fultz will be fine.

GelbeWand09 · Post #24 » by **GelbeWand09** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 11:59 am

Ralof wrote:I wanna turn that page as well,just to enjoy who the next scapegoat will be.

my guess he is gonna be Wendell,but since he is not playing too many games,my guess he is gonna be Suggs at some point,cause he is just 4-5rd in the "Orlando Magic fans absurd expectations for young players list "so he is gonna be expendable.

This is maybe a argument in a Aaron Gordon (Paul George expectations) discussion but not for Fultz. Its not about absurd expectations if you want your starting PG to take & hit open 3's, get to the line (+ rim pressure), being able to run plays in the halfcourt or being effective without the ball.
Thats just basic NBA PG starter expectations. Its basic expectation that a PG makes the players around him better not worse. We talking about a player who is a starter here for years, gets starter money, probably wanted even more on his next deal and hasn't progessed in any aspect of his game except going from bad to slightly above abverage defender.
You cant have a starting PG, treated on offense without the Ball like a random 90's Center Stiff (Markelle's role is even worse in those situations, because he isnt even a threat to cut, roll or to lob to).
He's a nice backup PG for 15-20 min. having the ball in his hands, but he is no starting material for any NBA teams with his weaknesses & playstyle.

Skybox · Post #25 » by **Skybox** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:05 pm

We already have a good backup PG…that role should be based on change of pace AND explosive, if inconsistent, scoring potential. That’s Cole, in a nutshell…and he just signed a solid backup deal.

Goodbye

The-Stallion70 · Post #26 » by **The-Stallion70** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:06 pm

I've tried to support him but I'm just sick of losing. It's not Markelle's fault it's the front office's fault for not finding enough shooting.

Bergmaniac · Post #27 » by **Bergmaniac** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 12:44 pm

As I've said many times, he has his good qualities, but he's just a very poor fit with Paolo and he's much better suited for a bench role than for a starter. We already have Cole for the bench PG role and we need to develop Black so it's probably better to trade him if we can get anything for him.

MasterGMer wrote:Markelle is 5 for 12 tonight with 3 FTs. He did OKay.

5/12 and 3/3 from the line is usually an efficient scoring night for a guard, but not for one who doesn't take 3s. That's 48.8 TS%, which is certainly subpar as the third/fourth option against a mediocre defensive team.

pepe1991 · Post #28 » by **pepe1991** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:48 pm

zaymon · Post #29 » by **zaymon** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:55 pm

Overall its a good situation becouse we didnt resign him. Funny thing is that there is a chance Weltman didnt cut him becouse of team chemistry and now it seems our chemistry is worse becouse you cant play half court offense with him on the floor and smart guys like Franz certainly see it.
I think it was mistake to not cut him, but a small mistake, while we avoided big mistake of resigning him. Thats why i never shared fears of Knightro that we will resign him for starter money.

basketballRob · Post #30 » by **basketballRob** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 1:59 pm

I'd like to see him come off the bench and start AB.

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Fortune Teller · Post #31 » by **Fortune Teller** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 2:03 pm

I'm surprised so many people think it's his shoulder. If it was an anatomical issue, why did his shot look so much better this summer?

I think Markelle's problem is likely psychological, which is worse. It's like a golfer who gets the yips. Presumably he's shooting threes in practice, but when the lights go on he won't take the shot. And the other teams know it.

yoyojw17 · Post #32 » by **yoyojw17** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 2:14 pm

Lol.... we lose a game... and then.... like clockwork.... here we are... another Fultz thread. :-D

tiderulz · Post #33 » by **tiderulz** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 2:30 pm

fateis007 wrote:
MasterGMer wrote:Markelle didn't lose the game for us. Actually down 1 last 30 secs to go, I'd rather put the ball on Fultz hand to make a play.

Markelle is 5 for 12 tonight with 3 FTs. He did OKay.

Oh he didn't lose us the game. Paolo did easily, and he lost us the last game.

But it's time to accept Markelle has completely lost the ability to hit a shot. He honestly looks very struggled to get a lift with his shoulder and take a shot and the TOS is effecting him still.

he is shooting 0 percent from 3. He hasn't even hit a single three point shot this year.

Think about that for a second, in todays game, our starting pointguard hasnt hit a 3. He is a smaller Ben Simmons.

Anyone guarding him is allowed to collapse on Paolo/Franz/Suggs

Paolo did easily? Not Cole at 1-7, Ingles at 1-6? Paolo who was leading rebounder and 2nd highest in assists?

Bergmaniac · Post #34 » by **Bergmaniac** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 2:35 pm

Ingles was +27 with 5 assists in 17 minutes, the offense was fantastic when he was on the court (171 ORTG), he shot poorly but he certainly didn't lose us the game.

bigdogdylan5 · Post #35 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 2:38 pm

Yep I am finally there I think he can be effecitve if you have him play PG around shooters but awful fit for this team. Can’t resign him.

bigdogdylan5 · Post #36 » by **bigdogdylan5** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 2:54 pm

Knightro wrote:
MasterGMer wrote:Markelle didn't lose the game for us. Actually down 1 last 30 secs to go, I'd rather put the ball on Fultz hand to make a play.

Markelle is 5 for 12 tonight with 3 FTs. He did OKay.

Look beyond the stats.

The last play of the game, not only is Fultz *not* in the right spot (he's gotta be planted in the deep corner for a potential kick out), but his man Murray literally doesn't even defend him at all because he has zero fear of Fultz actually beating him with a jumper.

Without that fear, Murray is able to easily step into Franz's path on the help and force a tougher passer backwards (that Murray even tipped because of how far off Fultz he was able to play) to Paolo instead of an easier pass sideways into the corner.

This is 100% correct I noticed it too. There was absolutely no hesitation to leave him allowing for a really good cut off. What happens if we have Harris there? Because he doesn’t play Houston or Howard you can’t bring them in ice cold. I just don’t get having Fultz out there if you intend to run Paolo or Franz as ball handler (which they should). I am willing to be patient with Mosley on offense but that is just dumb and can’t happen. He needs to play some of these shooters

Residual-Heat · Post #37 » by **Residual-Heat** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:13 pm

Not going to blame the loss entirely on Fultz, but he certainly didnt help. Fultz just doesnt make sense on this roster. This has been obvious for a while now, and drafting Black sealed his fate. Time to move on. Get a PG that can shoot.

tiderulz · Post #38 » by **tiderulz** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:15 pm

Bergmaniac wrote:Ingles was +27 with 5 assists in 17 minutes, the offense was fantastic when he was on the court (171 ORTG), he shot poorly but he certainly didn't lose us the game.

+27 is more based on who he played with. He missed 5 of 6 shots

GatorbaitDD · Post #39 » by **GatorbaitDD** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:25 pm

As much as I love Fultz, I agree that it's time to find a better compliment to Franz & PB's development. Suggs is looking much improved and obviously Black has shown a ton of talent so far. I think this team can successfully move forward with a core of Suggs/Black/Harris/Anthony this year at guard and maybe look to move off Fultz.

Ralof · Post #40 » by **Ralof** » Fri Nov 10, 2023 3:29 pm

GelbeWand09 wrote:
Ralof wrote:I wanna turn that page as well,just to enjoy who the next scapegoat will be.

my guess he is gonna be Wendell,but since he is not playing too many games,my guess he is gonna be Suggs at some point,cause he is just 4-5rd in the "Orlando Magic fans absurd expectations for young players list "so he is gonna be expendable.

This is maybe a argument in a Aaron Gordon (Paul George expectations) discussion but not for Fultz. Its not about absurd expectations if you want your starting PG to take & hit open 3's, get to the line (+ rim pressure), being able to run plays in the halfcourt or being effective without the ball.
Thats just basic NBA PG starter expectations. Its basic expectation that a PG makes the players around him better not worse. We talking about a player who is a starter here for years, gets starter money, probably wanted even more on his next deal and hasn't progessed in any aspect of his game except going from bad to slightly above abverage defender.
You cant have a starting PG, treated on offense without the Ball like a random 90's Center Stiff (Markelle's role is even worse in those situations, because he isnt even a threat to cut, roll or to lob to).
He's a nice backup PG for 15-20 min. having the ball in his hands, but he is no starting material for any NBA teams with his weaknesses & playstyle.

Absurd expectations are not on Fultz