It's time to turn the page on Fultz.

[Bergmaniac]

Ingles was +27 with 5 assists in 17 minutes, the offense was fantastic when he was on the court (171 ORTG), he shot poorly but he certainly didn't lose us the game.

+27 is more based on who he played with. He missed 5 of 6 shots

3 of his misses were on the same play, 2 were tough putback attempts. I don't think his misses hurt us more than his passing and ballhandling helped us. He had 3 steals too.

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Water is wet

[ogmagicfan]

Overall its a good situation becouse we didnt resign him. Funny thing is that there is a chance Weltman didnt cut him becouse of team chemistry and now it seems our chemistry is worse becouse you cant play half court offense with him on the floor and smart guys like Franz certainly see it.
I think it was mistake to not cut him, but a small mistake, while we avoided big mistake of resigning him. Thats why i never shared fears of Knightro that we will resign him for starter money.

Likewise, once we didn't resign him in the offseason I knew the door was closed on Fultz on the Magic. The narrative that we don't let players go without getting something for them, is moot considering this is a unique circumstance & we could still trade him

Its unquestionable that Paolo & Franz both recognize that Fultz is an awful fit next to them. If we can notice it when watching the games, do you not think players on the court can't notice it when theyre looking into the paint and see 3 bodies and a wide open Fultz in the corner?

[ibraheim718]

Are we at the deadline yet?

[NavalAviator94]

I think many of us are just disappointed. He’s playing worse right now and there was hope he would be better. It’s clearly not and it’s in his head.

I hope he stops thinking and just does the things he’s good at. Accept it and hopefully we can find a trade that works or let him walk.

I can only imagine how difficult it must be on him personally.


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[pepe1991]

Just some thoughts:
- we can't play half court with or without him, but with him it's just way more jarring and by default happends at end of a games so people tend to pay attention to those plays more , including defenses from opposing teams
- replacing him with Black in SL would still solve nothing, we would still have horrid shooting from backcourt. Black doesn't even play playmaker but SF ( witch some of us predicted in summer)
- i expected him to go balls deep into contract year and i still think he will have streach where he averages 20 ppg
. he will never be 3 point shooter. If you didn't figure that by 2019 i don't know what to tell you, hopefully half decade extra helped you finally come to same conclusion.

[basketballRob]

Just some thoughts:
- we can't play half court with or without him, but with him it's just way more jarring and by default happends at end of a games so people tend to pay attention to those plays more , including defenses from opposing teams
- replacing him with Black in SL would still solve nothing, we would still have horrid shooting from backcourt. Black doesn't even play playmaker but SF ( witch some of us predicted in summer)
- i expected him to go balls deep into contract year and i still think he will have streach where he averages 20 ppg
. he will never be 3 point shooter. If you didn't figure that by 2019 i don't know what to tell you, hopefully half decade extra helped you finally come to same conclusion.

Black plays guard and he's a good shooter

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[pepe1991]

Just some thoughts:
- we can't play half court with or without him, but with him it's just way more jarring and by default happends at end of a games so people tend to pay attention to those plays more , including defenses from opposing teams
- replacing him with Black in SL would still solve nothing, we would still have horrid shooting from backcourt. Black doesn't even play playmaker but SF ( witch some of us predicted in summer)
- i expected him to go balls deep into contract year and i still think he will have streach where he averages 20 ppg
. he will never be 3 point shooter. If you didn't figure that by 2019 i don't know what to tell you, hopefully half decade extra helped you finally come to same conclusion.

Black plays guard and he's a good shooter

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Sample size alert.

[fateis007]

Just some thoughts:
- we can't play half court with or without him, but with him it's just way more jarring and by default happends at end of a games so people tend to pay attention to those plays more , including defenses from opposing teams
- replacing him with Black in SL would still solve nothing, we would still have horrid shooting from backcourt. Black doesn't even play playmaker but SF ( witch some of us predicted in summer)
- i expected him to go balls deep into contract year and i still think he will have streach where he averages 20 ppg
. he will never be 3 point shooter. If you didn't figure that by 2019 i don't know what to tell you, hopefully half decade extra helped you finally come to same conclusion.

Black plays guard and he's a good shooter

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Sample size alert.

Atleast he has a sample size. Fultz wont even shoot them,

I think the bigger problem is, some people seem to think everyone was expecting Fultz to take us to the next level, while im sure most of us were just hoping he would be a servicable player that could knock down an open shot and not prevent the guys that would really take us to the next level, from getting crowded. The guy is 11 years younger then Chris Paul. We were all hoping he could atleast figure out a way to get a shot up that teams had to cover.

Instead he is regressing and causing spacing issues. He seems like a hard worker, so I am still chalking it up to the injury, i don't think it's the yips or whatever personally.

I honestly think his TOS is the issue. In practice, warm ups, offseason pick up games, it's super easy to go at your own pace, it's nothing like a real game. It really seems like he just doesn't have the power in his shoulders to shoot it. I was hoping this would be a thing of the past, since he has a ton of other good qualities.

It's easy to say that he is mentally out of it, but lets be real here. It's a basketball game. He makes 20 mill a year. I really doubt he is "scared" to shoot a ball. He has said himself, that when this injury first started, he couldn't lift his arm over his head and had to recreate his jump shot. We have seen a few careers go down the drain from this injury in many sports, and they dont even involve lifting a ball over your head.

I am guessing he's going to have a tough time getting a good contract once he expires.

[eyriq]

Just some thoughts:
- we can't play half court with or without him, but with him it's just way more jarring and by default happends at end of a games so people tend to pay attention to those plays more , including defenses from opposing teams
- replacing him with Black in SL would still solve nothing, we would still have horrid shooting from backcourt. Black doesn't even play playmaker but SF ( witch some of us predicted in summer)
- i expected him to go balls deep into contract year and i still think he will have streach where he averages 20 ppg
. he will never be 3 point shooter. If you didn't figure that by 2019 i don't know what to tell you, hopefully half decade extra helped you finally come to same conclusion.

Black plays guard and he's a good shooter

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Sample size alert.

Let us have this haha

[anothermagicfan]

The loss to Atlanta in Mexico is not a product of Fultz not being a good fit with this magic team nor is it a product of his play.

This was a team loss. PB, Franz, Cole, Mo and suggs combined for 16 turnovers, 16 person fouls, and 6 of the 10 missed free throws. Suggs defense and hot shooting made up for his mistakes. The rest were just off. And Trea went off for 41. A big chunk of that came after he got elbowed by PB and the refs didn't call it and instead whistled him for a technical. He was mad and took over for a spell.

Fultz was solid. Nothing spectacular, but his play was not the reason we lost. This magic team is building it's foundation and identity on defense. What I'm seeing is a trend of a team that abandons that defensive identity in the 4th quarter by leaving Cole and mo in the lineup far too long. This team needs to focus on getting stops to create offense.

[basketballRob]

Fultz did put the team in a funk when he refused to take a wide open shot after Paolo created it for him.

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[SOUL]

I like Fultz and think he is and will continue to be a productive NBA player.

As far as being the future at PG though hitting even less threes this year (zero so far)...

[MasterGMer]

Fultz actually was quite efficient first half, scoring 11 points. But second half, he only attempted like 3 shots. He could have a better game. But his second half absence really hurt his perception

[eyriq]

I like Fultz and think he is and will continue to be a productive NBA player.

As far as being the future at PG though hitting even less threes this year (zero so far)...

Reasonable. Regression to start a contract year is just such a bad look. No one would have predicted this.

[SOUL]

Reasonable. Regression to start a contract year is just such a bad look. No one would have predicted this.

That's why I was on a wait-and-see approach. The end of last season gave me hope that he'd take and make more threes. We just can't have the entire starting lineup with no shooting and Suggs plays better defense and at least makes and attempts threes, WCJ is on a cheap contract, and Paolo and Franz are obviously not being moved.

[fendilim]

Damaged goods

[MasterGMer]

We could have beat Mavs and we could have beat Hawks. All the losses are not on Fultz. Fultz had 11 points in the first half in Hawks game. Actually he is pretty efficient. But I know. He has to shoot 3s. Otherwise, the spacing for Franz and Paolo is not going to be there. But I will say "We will see"

[KillMonger]

people are saying his hitch is back....i didn't notice, is the hitch back in his shot?

[SOUL]

people are saying his hitch is back....i didn't notice, is the hitch back in his shot?

Are you not watching him shoot in games? It's very noticeable. Last year it just looked like a later release on his middies, now it's funky again