Bears 2023 thread V

[MAQ]

His arm strength is an issue as well. He doesn't have much on the ball when going deep. He also doesn't throw it strong when he's not able to fire off his back foot. Put him in a spot where he's in an "awkward" throwing position and the ball just doesn't get any zip on it.

[ThisGuyFawkes]

I’m really hoping that Fields comes back and with the team so much healthier he hits some of the more reasonable expectations we had for him this year the rest of the way.

I hope so bc I really don’t want to draft a QB in the first next year. At first that’s because if we had first or second I would want to trade and get more draft capital for better players (line/defense).

Now, I want to keep Fields and if we get 1st I say don’t trade it! I’d 100% want to draft Marvin Harrison at 1. I’m risk adverse with a QB at 1. Young looks like a disappointment, Stroud looks like a stud. Wilson and Lawerance were both busts. We saw how bad Trubs was. Lots of risk with a QB that high. Lawerance even looked disappointing at first; and his subsequent rise is that even with “can’t miss” the difference is coaching and structure. Bears have not shown they can take a brand new QB with all the talent in the world and shape them quickly into a star. So even if we draft a star talent, I feel like best case scenario is a fair amount that will disappoint many of us and not end up timing up with the team we are building now (make no mistake, they have many prices in place with Moore/Davis/Wright .. Sweat/Edwards/Edmonds/CBs).

Meanwhile, Marvin Harrison is sure fire thing in my books. I’m pretty sure unless Williams/Maye are Marino/Elway level or above, Harrison will be considered the #1 on all redrafts. And what a perfect offensive weapon it would be to pull a whole lot of the Bears team together.

All of this is of course banking that Fields looks like a big step is at least taken with his return to a healthy squad … and obviously banking on this whole coaching staff be fired

I get your reasoning but I think it's possible to trade down to 2 and pick up a little bit of draft capital. That ensures that the #2 team can get Williams. We just pretend that Justin is out guy and we're trading out of the spot no matter what so the #2 team feels pressure to move up and get their guy before someone else trades with us.

[Bulls69]

His arm strength is an issue as well. He doesn't have much on the ball when going deep. He also doesn't throw it strong when he's not able to fire off his back foot. Put him in a spot where he's in an "awkward" throwing position and the ball just doesn't get any zip on it.

His footwork is awful this is why his ball sails on him teams knows how to defend much like Jordan Love of the Packers.


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[Bandit King]

Well Bagent gives his team a chance at winning unlike JF.

The arm strength can be improved with more time in the locker room and nutrition.

Right now let Justin Fields play the remaining games and trade him for a 3rd round pick.

[sco]

Well Bagent gives his team a chance at winning unlike JF.

The arm strength can be improved with more time in the locker room and nutrition.

Right now let Justin Fields play the remaining games and trade him for a 3rd round pick.

I'd be happy if we could get back the 2nd rounder we gave up for Sweat

[Almost Retired]

Bowers is like Kelce. He plays a different TE position than Kmet. He would be like a RB in the slot on steroids or a slot WR with crazy size. His offensive gravity would open up so much. I think he will have a bigger impact than MHJ year one. He is the like a young QB’s best friend. Moves the chains and makes everything easier.

I’m out on Maye. Nothing special there. I like McCarthy’s upside more.

I understand, but you're also paying Kmet quite a bit and if you're not going to utilize his biggest strength, which is being a big target in favor of Bowers, you are utilizing your cap and picks wrong.

Now if you trade Cole, then definitely, Bowers and MHJ would be anyone's best friends, especially with Moore already here.

Bowers becomes your WR2 as a TE. You split him out. You use him out of the backfield.

Can you imagine him in the screen game?

I see Bowers as a hybrid TE/WR. A unicorn type player. I can only imagine how an offensive genius like Andy Reid would be able to utilize him. It would be fun to watch.

[Almost Retired]

Well Bagent gives his team a chance at winning unlike JF.

The arm strength can be improved with more time in the locker room and nutrition.

Right now let Justin Fields play the remaining games and trade him for a 3rd round pick.

I'd be happy if we could get back the 2nd rounder we gave up for Sweat

Then we'd be in a position to possibly Draft Sedrick Van Pran who is mocked to go in the 2nd Round. Best Center prospect in the Draft by a wide margin.

[RastaBull]

I’m really hoping that Fields comes back and with the team so much healthier he hits some of the more reasonable expectations we had for him this year the rest of the way.

I hope so bc I really don’t want to draft a QB in the first next year. At first that’s because if we had first or second I would want to trade and get more draft capital for better players (line/defense).

Now, I want to keep Fields and if we get 1st I say don’t trade it! I’d 100% want to draft Marvin Harrison at 1. I’m risk adverse with a QB at 1. Young looks like a disappointment, Stroud looks like a stud. Wilson and Lawerance were both busts. We saw how bad Trubs was. Lots of risk with a QB that high. Lawerance even looked disappointing at first; and his subsequent rise is that even with “can’t miss” the difference is coaching and structure. Bears have not shown they can take a brand new QB with all the talent in the world and shape them quickly into a star. So even if we draft a star talent, I feel like best case scenario is a fair amount that will disappoint many of us and not end up timing up with the team we are building now (make no mistake, they have many prices in place with Moore/Davis/Wright .. Sweat/Edwards/Edmonds/CBs).

Meanwhile, Marvin Harrison is sure fire thing in my books. I’m pretty sure unless Williams/Maye are Marino/Elway level or above, Harrison will be considered the #1 on all redrafts. And what a perfect offensive weapon it would be to pull a whole lot of the Bears team together.

All of this is of course banking that Fields looks like a big step is at least taken with his return to a healthy squad … and obviously banking on this whole coaching staff be fired

I get your reasoning but I think it's possible to trade down to 2 and pick up a little bit of draft capital. That ensures that the #2 team can get Williams. We just pretend that Justin is out guy and we're trading out of the spot no matter what so the #2 team feels pressure to move up and get their guy before someone else trades with us.

I’d totally agree and presumed that would be possible too. But one thing I didn’t mention is reason I’d want to take Harrison at 1 is bc of Arizona in this whole mix.

If they are 1, I think they will either trade down to 2/3 for Harrison, or they will just take Harrison at 1 (if any franchise knows value of just pulling trigger on what everyone says is a transcendent receiver it’s Arizona).

I really really want to stay ahead of Arizona in draft too because I want Harrison so badly. He is a franchise changer (especially/specifically because you have Moore … Harrison is a #1 makeup in NFL, that would just be an insane WR combo, and with Cole to boot).

So if we could trade down to 2 while still staying ahead of Arizona I’m all for it.

BEST CASE scenario is Arizona finishing at 4/5 and Carolina pick at 1. Then the 2+3 teams (Pats/Giants/Denv?) battle over trade packages to us to determine who gets Williams. We trade down, get some capital (I’m not expecting last years haul, but still some heavy capital). And we stay in front of Arizona.

It’s possibly Arizona starts picking up wins with Murray now? Denv is the best team to end up 2/3 bc no doubt they go QB. Would Giants go hard in draft trade to move up a spot for QB? They should haha … but they may be stubborn after extending Jones and value Harrison too. Pats? I feel like they would draft a QB for sure, but they do not get run over with draft trades so they may not give up picks to have #1 if they think they’ll get one of the two QBs. TB/Vegas/Rams are other teams that if 2/3/4 may give up capital to move up. Unfortunately, another team in picture would be Green Bay. If we have #1, and GB had say #3 … I could never bring myself to make that trade and thereby hand over ANOTHER 15-year QB to haunt us haha

[Jeffster81]

no teem needs elite talent except at the QB position.

Problem with this is that there is no elite talent at the position in the 2024 draft. In absense of that, you take two best players in the draft. Give me elite talent at WR and OT over a mediocre talent at QB. If the Bears draft Williams or Maybe in 2024, I guarantee you, the Bears will be in the QB market in 2028/29.

[Chi town]

Well Bagent gives his team a chance at winning unlike JF.

The arm strength can be improved with more time in the locker room and nutrition.

Right now let Justin Fields play the remaining games and trade him for a 3rd round pick.

I'd be happy if we could get back the 2nd rounder we gave up for Sweat

Then we'd be in a position to possibly Draft Sedrick Van Pran who is mocked to go in the 2nd Round. Best Center prospect in the Draft by a wide margin.

I’ve been banging the Center drum all season. Whitehair and Patrick have been criminally bad. Poles made a big mistake trusting them.

We get a good C and our oline could be elite.

[Chi town]

no teem needs elite talent except at the QB position.

Problem with this is that there is no elite talent at the position in the 2024 draft. In absense of that, you take two best players in the draft. Give me elite talent at WR and OT over a mediocre talent at QB. If the Bears draft Williams or Maybe in 2024, I guarantee you, the Bears will be in the QB market in 2028/29.

Totally agree with Dice. No one wins anything without an elite QB.

That a big statement about CW and Maye. I’m not high in Maye but Williams on this team with what we have on offense and I think he could get us out of the basement in year one.

[Almost Retired]

McCarthy not looking too bad considering Penn State puts the most pressure on opposing QBS in the entire FBS. He's also the youngest of the QBs likely to go in the First Round. And he's got experience playing in Midwestern winter weather. He would not be a bad Plan B if Poles decides to move on from Fields.

[Dresden]

Saw this about Sweat:

"Last week against the Saints, the Bears newest addition generated a 25% pass rush win rate against All-Pro and Pro-Bowl tackles --- his highest mark of the season.

This week, Sweat created eight quarterback pressures, the most single-game pressures for a Chicago Bear since Robert Quinn in Week 13 of the 2020 season, according to Next Gen Stats."

[Bandit King]

Sweat doing good despite being in a Eberflus defense.

Mccarthy not a bad choice for QB can fight it out with Bagent.

[the ultimates]

Please tell me what people see in Mcarthy? He has a decent but not great arm, decent size and mobility. He's not a great decision-maker and really looks like a low-level game manager. He's continuously propped up by a running game and defense. See the OSU game last year see the game against Penn State right now. Hell if McCarthy played the same way at Iowa, Illinois or Wisconsin nobody would be saying he's a first-round pick and I damn sure don't want the Bears to have anything to do with him.

[dice]

no teem needs elite talent except at the QB position.

Problem with this is that there is no elite talent at the position in the 2024 draft. In absense of that, you take two best players in the draft. Give me elite talent at WR and OT over a mediocre talent at QB. If the Bears draft Williams or Maybe in 2024, I guarantee you, the Bears will be in the QB market in 2028/29.

you think there is at least a 95% chance that caleb and drake are not franchise-caliber nfl QBs? because that's the kind of confidence that a guarantee requires. so sorry, but your confidence level is sheer nonsense. espn prospect grades since 2013:

97 lawrence, winston
96 young

94 stroud, burrow, darnold
93 wilson, tua, mariota
92 lance, rosen, allen

91 fields, mayfield, richardson, levis, wentz, goff, bortles
90 jones, willis, pickett, love, murray, haskins, manziel
89 herbert, lock, trubisky, bridgewater, geno
88 finley, watson
87 jackson

mahomes was 87 or lower

if you're waiting for a trevor lawrence-level prospect as a GM, you're almost certainly going to be out of a job. you have to take swings at 2nd tier prospects at QB. there's a reason they still often go at the top of the draft (as do some of the 3rd tier!). and caleb will certainly be at least a 2nd tier prospect

and again, if you already have a proven performer at a position, taking an "elite talent" who is UNproven at the pro level...and paying him significantly more to boot, is a poor use of resources. the LT job SHOULD be jones's to win/lose over the remainder of the season

[bad knees]

Where's the love for Bo Nix? 78% completion percentage, 300 yds/game, 25 TD's, 2 INT, quick release, strong arm, much improved decisionmaking, mobile, good size (6'2", 225). Of the guys I've seen, he's impressed me the most. He goes head-to-head against Caleb Williams tonight so it should be interesting.

[dice]

Please tell me what people see in Mcarthy? He has a decent but not great arm, decent size and mobility. He's not a great decision-maker and really looks like a low-level game manager. He's continuously propped up by a running game and defense. See the OSU game last year see the game against Penn State right now. Hell if McCarthy played the same way at Iowa, Illinois or Wisconsin nobody would be saying he's a first-round pick and I damn sure don't want the Bears to have anything to do with him.

mich ran the ball on 3rd and long several times today. are the receivers and pass protection THAT bad? it was like rookie justin fields playcalling

[Almost Retired]

Where's the love for Bo Nix? 78% completion percentage, 300 yds/game, 25 TD's, 2 INT, quick release, strong arm, much improved decisionmaking, mobile, good size (6'2", 225). Of the guys I've seen, he's impressed me the most.

I'd rather have Harrison and Nix rather than Maye or Caleb without Harrison. Harrison is a generational talent.

[Almost Retired]

Please tell me what people see in Mcarthy? He has a decent but not great arm, decent size and mobility. He's not a great decision-maker and really looks like a low-level game manager. He's continuously propped up by a running game and defense. See the OSU game last year see the game against Penn State right now. Hell if McCarthy played the same way at Iowa, Illinois or Wisconsin nobody would be saying he's a first-round pick and I damn sure don't want the Bears to have anything to do with him.

mich ran the ball on 3rd and long several times today. are the receivers and pass protection THAT bad? it was like rookie justin fields playcalling

The interim Head coach was playing scared. Playing not to lose. I would have liked to have seen more passing attempts to evaluate McCarthy. But he had to run the plays that were called. It was a hard fought game. Just not that interesting if you like to watch high scoring passing attack offenses. Three yards and a cloud of dust football is not that compelling to watch. The Michigan v Ohio State game better be a better one to watch.