is Klay done?

[KevinMcreynolds]

Klay actually reigned it in the last couple of pre-season games where he didn't shoot everytime he touched the ball and was actually passing. We just need to remove any need of him dribbling or creating his own shot. He's bound to hit shots at some point right, just have to hope Kerr plays the hot hand in the playoffs.

I watched the first half of that Spurs game and I felt like he shot every time he touched the ball

*checks*

yup, he was 3-13 in 18 minutes

[tal57]

I have resided for Klay being nowhere near to Klay of old. If he can help a little and not be a detriment that is already a plus.
Right now, I am much more concerned with when Green is coming back and CP3 comes off the bench. I've seen that song and dance with Green many times before. Oh, he is so close, he is day to day, he is practicing 5 on 5. Next thing you know he is missing 12 games.

[CDM_Stats]

I have resided for Klay being nowhere near to Klay of old. If he can help a little and not be a detriment that is already a plus.
Right now, I am much more concerned with when Green is coming back and CP3 comes off the bench. I've seen that song and dance with Green many times before. Oh, he is so close, he is day to day, he is practicing 5 on 5. Next thing you know he is missing 12 games.

Very rarely when someone is cleared for 5 on 5 that they dont return soon, unless there's a setback. Hamstrings definitely have a high re-injury risk, but no reason to think he won't be playing games by next week if not sooner

I dont recall him ever stringing along an injury.. the back injury he had a couple years back was one that required constant re-evaluation based on its nature, hamstrings are very different

EDIT: Forgot its a sprained ankle, not a hammy. Less immediate re-injury risk than a hammy, but longer window for possible re-injury. Improves the short-term prognosis, at the expense of long-term risk

[B-King]

Klay is trying to shoot off the dribble. Granted he has gotten better at it, but we need JK instead of Paul in there to set some screens for him. His strength is creating separation off the pick and releasing via the catch & shoot.

I actually wouldn’t even mind if we tried having Saric in the starting 5 instead of Paul.

[CDM_Stats]

Klay is trying to shoot off the dribble. Granted he has gotten better at it, but we need JK instead of Paul in there to set some screens for him. His strength is creating separation off the pick and releasing via the catch & shoot.

I actually wouldn’t even mind if we tried having Saric in the starting 5 instead of Paul.

Let's assume the direct backups by position are CP3/GP2/Moody/Kuminga/Saric

Wouldn't CP3 be the *worst* fit with the starters of those 5? GP2 subbing in for Draymond makes sense - extremely versatile defender though our playmaking takes a hit, so Steph would have to initiate.. Moody is a forward in the same vein as Wiggins, but he's an energy guy and smart player who can also spread the floor. Kuminga is the diciest option IMO, but he's been playing a bit more under control, at least to start games. And as you note, Saric could work too. Interior defense might be rough but he's a smart positional defender most of the time and quality offensive option, though he could use some more awareness around the rim

I think my preference would be GP2 / Moody / Saric / Kuminga / CP3

[wco81]

Whole team shot poorly. But Klay wasn't on fire so this thread gets updated after each bad game he has like last season.

I didn't see him force too many shots. In fact he had a couple of nice passes to Looney off the switch.

If the Warriors are going to do anything this season, they're going to need him to score 20 PPG with over 40% 3P% as usual.

The real telling thing is what happens with his overall shooting percentage, because the last two seasons he was a couple of ticks below his 45.5% career average.

That figure reflects how he's finishing or his midrange shots.

I would imagine on switches they are going to try to post him over smaller guards here and there for 10-footers.

[DonaldSanders]

Klay is trying to shoot off the dribble. Granted he has gotten better at it, but we need JK instead of Paul in there to set some screens for him. His strength is creating separation off the pick and releasing via the catch & shoot.

I actually wouldn’t even mind if we tried having Saric in the starting 5 instead of Paul.

Let's assume the direct backups by position are CP3/GP2/Moody/Kuminga/Saric

Wouldn't CP3 be the *worst* fit with the starters of those 5? GP2 subbing in for Draymond makes sense - extremely versatile defender though our playmaking takes a hit, so Steph would have to initiate.. Moody is a forward in the same vein as Wiggins, but he's an energy guy and smart player who can also spread the floor. Kuminga is the diciest option IMO, but he's been playing a bit more under control, at least to start games. And as you note, Saric could work too. Interior defense might be rough but he's a smart positional defender most of the time and quality offensive option, though he could use some more awareness around the rim

I think my preference would be GP2 / Moody / Saric / Kuminga / CP3

Yeah, and GPII playing with Steph more might have prevented Steph from getting in foul trouble. I also think having to guard better players tires him out a bit, that's another reason why him paired with CP3 should be in short bursts, not long stretches.

[GSWFan1994]

Klay shot:

- 39% in the last playoffs (37% on 3s, 42% on 2s)
- 34% vs the Lakers (38% on 3s, 28% on 2s)
- 28% in the pre-season (31% on 3s, 25% on 2s)

Let's see when he gets out of this "slump".

[CDM_Stats]

Klay is trying to shoot off the dribble. Granted he has gotten better at it, but we need JK instead of Paul in there to set some screens for him. His strength is creating separation off the pick and releasing via the catch & shoot.

I actually wouldn’t even mind if we tried having Saric in the starting 5 instead of Paul.

Let's assume the direct backups by position are CP3/GP2/Moody/Kuminga/Saric

Wouldn't CP3 be the *worst* fit with the starters of those 5? GP2 subbing in for Draymond makes sense - extremely versatile defender though our playmaking takes a hit, so Steph would have to initiate.. Moody is a forward in the same vein as Wiggins, but he's an energy guy and smart player who can also spread the floor. Kuminga is the diciest option IMO, but he's been playing a bit more under control, at least to start games. And as you note, Saric could work too. Interior defense might be rough but he's a smart positional defender most of the time and quality offensive option, though he could use some more awareness around the rim

I think my preference would be GP2 / Moody / Saric / Kuminga / CP3

Yeah, and GPII playing with Steph more might have prevented Steph from getting in foul trouble. I also think having to guard better players tires him out a bit, that's another reason why him paired with CP3 should be in short bursts, not long stretches.

Its one of those situations where even if CP3 learns how to play on offense with Steph and Klay, all the other parts are so heavy into the red that it should be asked if its even worth finding out.

Kerr's margin of error as a coach is pretty thin this year... and this is going to be the biggest one. If CP3 and Curry are sharing more than 12 minutes of time together per game, which is still too much but I'd say a potentially realistic goal, then we're going to be hurting

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Klay’s shooting percentages have tended to start of lower his whole career even before injury.

I expect Klay to shoot well the 2nd half of the season.

Klay was able to guard the the better scorers at guard or small forward because although Klay was never fast his footwork and defensive technique were perfect. But now his athleticism and speed are bad for a guard instead of mediocre so he can not be a good defender of guards despite great technique. Kerr trying to turn Klay into a power forward on defense might be smart if Klay is strong enough.

Can Kuminga defend small forwards? Kuminga is fast enough but is weak at team defense defensive IQ and that is probably equally true whether Kuminga guards SF or PF. Kuminga’s man defense is good when his head is in the game.

PF team defense is different then OG team defense so Klay will have to learn a new role but Klay has always been smart. Klay’s poor court vision is different than court smarts.

In the current game PFs don’t have power post moves so they will not exploit being stronger than Klay. No Zach Randolph’s are playing PF today. PFs are standing in the corner to shoot open 3s which Klay can deal with. There is not much offensive rebounding from PFs in the current game so Klay won’t have to box out stronger men much.

I think Kerr is correct the solution for Klay’s loss of Athleticism is to move Klay to forward. But when you play Looney, Dray, Wiggins, Klay, Curry then Klay still has to be a slow off guard unless Wiggins takes the off guard and Klay takes the small forward.

[cpower]

as much as i hat Klay's play, he started the year way worse last season so there is that

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01/gamelog/2023

[Hoopstar23]

defintely COOKED! theres no denying... even Klay supporters admit he's BAD

[Crazy-Canuck]

You can go through shooting slumps, it happens. But the defensive end is very poole-esque.

[Onus]

Yea it’s not just missing shots it’s the fact he can’t stay in front of anyone. Cleveland was just roasting him time and time again.

[cdubbz]

3yrs/55m. Take it or leave it Klay.

[Onus]

3yrs/55m. Take it or leave it Klay.

Ngl that’s probably an overpayment

[Coxy]

I really hate admitting any of our big 3 guys are looking cooked, I have flat out denied it over time, but I think I have to finally realise it with Klay. He's just looking 2-3 steps slower in every facet of the game now. The only thing I think he's still doing well is man defence on players within the 3 point line. The effort there is fine, and his size allows him to be physical. Other than that, almost everything he is doing, or at least has done so far, is just not very good anymore. He used to look like an anomoly of a 3-point shooter as well, now there are players like him on every team that can shoot the 3-ball extremely well.

I'm not sure we even offer him an extention at this point. My greatest hope is that he retires a Warrior soon and accepts his body is what has let him down, and it's just time. The injuries he's had are just brutal. His mindset though is to never give up, so he'll press on trying until his body really lets him down and its an unglorious end for him.

[ILOVEIT]

I really hate admitting any of our big 3 guys are looking cooked, I have flat out denied it over time, but I think I have to finally realise it with Klay. He's just looking 2-3 steps slower in every facet of the game now. The only thing I think he's still doing well is man defence on players within the 3 point line. The effort there is fine, and his size allows him to be physical. Other than that, almost everything he is doing, or at least has done so far, is just not very good anymore. He used to look like an anomoly of a 3-point shooter as well, now there are players like him on every team that can shoot the 3-ball extremely well.

I'm not sure we even offer him an extention at this point. My greatest hope is that he retires a Warrior soon and accepts his body is what has let him down, and it's just time. The injuries he's had are just brutal. His mindset though is to never give up, so he'll press on trying until his body really lets him down and its an unglorious end for him.

Dray is fat. Really no excuse for him to come into camp that out of shape.
Klay may come on but he's out of shape as well.

And Curry is in great shape and still at his peak.

The bench has absolutely carried the starters and we are lucky to have the record we do.

Good news is Draymond SHOULD get better. Klay, based on history, is likely to get better.

Wiggins...who the F knows...something is really off.

[superunknown]

I really hate admitting any of our big 3 guys are looking cooked, I have flat out denied it over time, but I think I have to finally realise it with Klay. He's just looking 2-3 steps slower in every facet of the game now. The only thing I think he's still doing well is man defence on players within the 3 point line. The effort there is fine, and his size allows him to be physical. Other than that, almost everything he is doing, or at least has done so far, is just not very good anymore. He used to look like an anomoly of a 3-point shooter as well, now there are players like him on every team that can shoot the 3-ball extremely well.

I'm not sure we even offer him an extention at this point. My greatest hope is that he retires a Warrior soon and accepts his body is what has let him down, and it's just time. The injuries he's had are just brutal. His mindset though is to never give up, so he'll press on trying until his body really lets him down and its an unglorious end for him.

then you must try to orchestrate a trade around his expiring fat contract at the deadline.

[Crazy-Canuck]

I really hate admitting any of our big 3 guys are looking cooked, I have flat out denied it over time, but I think I have to finally realise it with Klay. He's just looking 2-3 steps slower in every facet of the game now. The only thing I think he's still doing well is man defence on players within the 3 point line. The effort there is fine, and his size allows him to be physical. Other than that, almost everything he is doing, or at least has done so far, is just not very good anymore. He used to look like an anomoly of a 3-point shooter as well, now there are players like him on every team that can shoot the 3-ball extremely well.

I'm not sure we even offer him an extention at this point. My greatest hope is that he retires a Warrior soon and accepts his body is what has let him down, and it's just time. The injuries he's had are just brutal. His mindset though is to never give up, so he'll press on trying until his body really lets him down and its an unglorious end for him.

then you must try to orchestrate a trade around his expiring fat contract at the deadline.

Klay is getting 4/120 with the 4 th year as a team option. Book it.