Fake Trade Thread #5

[Rich4114]

Hayward has been arguably our most consistent and one of our best players so far. We'd be cooked without him. So unless we're punting on this season after 9 games then I don't see them trading him unless we get near the deadline and we're a long shot for the playoffs. I do like converting a Hayward or Rozier into two players like this though. Thanks to Mitch's sleepiness, we are short on NBA quality players to put on the floor.

[JustBuzzin]

Would you guys go after Zion if the Pelicans keep losing?

Seems like he just wants a fresh start.

Maybe we can get something done around Miles Bridges/Hayward expiring and maybe a future pick for Zion.

[JMAC3]

No way you let Gordo expire. He's one of the better trade assets in the league. He has to be moved at the deadline

Yeah, essentially if we just sit still at deadline. We would have 20-25 million in cap space this summer to try and replace or resign both Hayward and Miles.

I would say chances we resign Hayward are sub 20%, so they you are losing him for nothing. Hence why trading him for a guy that is either under contract long term or other pieces that could be resigned makes the most sense.

Bridges cap hold is 15 mil. So if you waited to sign him last you would have sub 10 million to shop for Gordon replacement which is a clear way to get worse imo.

[JMAC3]

Hayward has been arguably our most consistent and one of our best players so far. We'd be cooked without him. So unless we're punting on this season after 9 games then I don't see them trading him unless we get near the deadline and we're a long shot for the playoffs. I do like converting a Hayward or Rozier into two players like this though. Thanks to Mitch's sleepiness, we are short on NBA quality players to put on the floor.

A lot of it depends on health, if we are somewhat healthy and Hayward is coming off the bench then moving him for 2 solid bench pieces would be fine. If we are banged up and Hayward is running as a 2nd or 3rd option then yeah moving him for a guy that can do that will be tough to do and we likely take a step back post trade.

A lot of factors in what will be the right move, starting with if MB is seen as a long term piece at the deadline. If we plan on bringing him back then it is a given to trade Hayward simply for flexibility moving forward. Also, Hayward would have to still be healthy at that point which is far from a given. Even if we are in the race for the playin I think trading Hayward would be the right move, obviously if we suck and not in the race trading Hayward again makes sense in that spot as well.

[Rich4114]

Would you guys go after Zion if the Pelicans keep losing?

Seems like he just wants a fresh start.

Maybe we can get something done around Miles Bridges/Hayward expiring and maybe a future pick for Zion.

Hell yes I would. How often do we get a chance to land a guy like Zion? He's also from the Charlotte region and would inject the type of excitement and change this org needs to take a step forward. I'd be willing to trade anyone not LaMelo Ball or Mark Williams for him. What would it take? We'd probably need to give up Miller + picks, but does Miller fit on that roster? Can we trade PJ yet? I don't think so.

[JMAC3]

Would you guys go after Zion if the Pelicans keep losing?

Seems like he just wants a fresh start.

Maybe we can get something done around Miles Bridges/Hayward expiring and maybe a future pick for Zion.

Hell yes I would. How often do we get a chance to land a guy like Zion? He's also from the Charlotte region and would inject the type of excitement and change this org needs to take a step forward. I'd be willing to trade anyone not LaMelo Ball or Mark Williams for him. What would it take? We'd probably need to give up Miller + picks, but does Miller fit on that roster? Can we trade PJ yet? I don't think so.

Of course we would take Zion, but so would a bunch of teams. Especially teams with so many picks that they wouldn't even notice them being gone. Ie: Thunder, Knicks, Jazz etc...

Knicks can offer Barrett and like 5 firsts. Probably not beating that deal

[JMAC3]

We all agree Miller looks good, but in all honesty his trade value has gone down since the #2 pick. Same with Scoot.

As soon as that guy plays 5 games and doesn't look like a top 50 player immediately the value has gone down. So yeah if you want to offer NOP Miller, 2026 first and 2028 firsts. Maybe its a convo starter, but it likely takes even more than that. So if that is the case are you still in on Zion?

[JustBuzzin]

Would you guys go after Zion if the Pelicans keep losing?

Seems like he just wants a fresh start.

Maybe we can get something done around Miles Bridges/Hayward expiring and maybe a future pick for Zion.

Hell yes I would. How often do we get a chance to land a guy like Zion? He's also from the Charlotte region and would inject the type of excitement and change this org needs to take a step forward. I'd be willing to trade anyone not LaMelo Ball or Mark Williams for him. What would it take? We'd probably need to give up Miller + picks, but does Miller fit on that roster? Can we trade PJ yet? I don't think so.

Nah bro Miller is off limits.

I think if we add our lottery pick that would fill the value of we added a Miller.

Hayward/Bridges/lottery pick for Zion would be fair value imo.

[JMAC3]

Would you guys go after Zion if the Pelicans keep losing?

Seems like he just wants a fresh start.

Maybe we can get something done around Miles Bridges/Hayward expiring and maybe a future pick for Zion.

Hell yes I would. How often do we get a chance to land a guy like Zion? He's also from the Charlotte region and would inject the type of excitement and change this org needs to take a step forward. I'd be willing to trade anyone not LaMelo Ball or Mark Williams for him. What would it take? We'd probably need to give up Miller + picks, but does Miller fit on that roster? Can we trade PJ yet? I don't think so.

Nah bro Miller is off limits.

I think if we add our lottery pick that would fill the value of we added a Miller.

Hayward/Bridges/lottery pick for Zion would be fair value imo.

That offer is nowhere close to what it costs to get Zion.

[Rich4114]

Hell yes I would. How often do we get a chance to land a guy like Zion? He's also from the Charlotte region and would inject the type of excitement and change this org needs to take a step forward. I'd be willing to trade anyone not LaMelo Ball or Mark Williams for him. What would it take? We'd probably need to give up Miller + picks, but does Miller fit on that roster? Can we trade PJ yet? I don't think so.

Nah bro Miller is off limits.

I think if we add our lottery pick that would fill the value of we added a Miller.

Hayward/Bridges/lottery pick for Zion would be fair value imo.

That offer is nowhere close to what it costs to get Zion.

That is the problem, we don't have the assets to deal but it's mostly because our draft pick is owed to SAS next year. Expiring Hayward + a chest of draft picks would possibly get it done tbh.

[JMAC3]

Nah bro Miller is off limits.

I think if we add our lottery pick that would fill the value of we added a Miller.

Hayward/Bridges/lottery pick for Zion would be fair value imo.

That offer is nowhere close to what it costs to get Zion.

That is the problem, we don't have the assets to deal but it's mostly because our draft pick is owed to SAS next year. Expiring Hayward + a chest of draft picks would possibly get it done tbh.

The absolute soonest we can trade our draft pick is 2026 and there is a chance that it won't convey to the trade partner until 2027.

So you are saying you think 2026 unprotected, 2028 unprotected, 2030 unprotected and Gordon Hayward?

Even with all the picks unprotected I think that several other offers would be ahead of that.

[fatlever]

mitch really handcuffed us with that owed pick for kai. just such a massive fail all around.
separately, unless we are 90% sure miles will resign and we are confident in his legal troubles being over (impossible now since court moved to feb, near trade deadline) then I'm getting whatever I can for miles at deadline. plenty of contenders will part with a player and a mid/late first pick for a few months of miles in playoffs and his bird rights.

[JDR720]

That was my idea when I posted a few Miles trades earlier. I think the Bulls are a prime target, unless they decide to rebuild.

[MPM]

Miles Bridges for Jaden Ivey. Miles goes back to Michigan, we get a young dynamic talent on a rookie deal who lost minutes to Kevin Knox last night - yes, Kevin Knox. Zero idea why DET plays Ivey so little (like 19 mins a game) as he passes the eye test with flying colors. Maybe sweeten with a pick.

[JustBuzzin]

Hell yes I would. How often do we get a chance to land a guy like Zion? He's also from the Charlotte region and would inject the type of excitement and change this org needs to take a step forward. I'd be willing to trade anyone not LaMelo Ball or Mark Williams for him. What would it take? We'd probably need to give up Miller + picks, but does Miller fit on that roster? Can we trade PJ yet? I don't think so.

Nah bro Miller is off limits.

I think if we add our lottery pick that would fill the value of we added a Miller.

Hayward/Bridges/lottery pick for Zion would be fair value imo.

That offer is nowhere close to what it costs to get Zion.

Well I'm not trading the farm for a guy who comes with his own issues.

[JustBuzzin]

That was my idea when I posted a few Miles trades earlier. I think the Bulls are a prime target, unless they decide to rebuild.

Who would we be getting in return from Chicago?

[JMAC3]

Nah bro Miller is off limits.

I think if we add our lottery pick that would fill the value of we added a Miller.

Hayward/Bridges/lottery pick for Zion would be fair value imo.

That offer is nowhere close to what it costs to get Zion.

Well I'm not trading the farm for a guy who comes with his own issues.

I am not saying I would either, but it is pretty obvious that Pelicans would get far better offers.
Zion could tear his knee up today and I think teams would offer more than that.

[JMAC3]

mitch really handcuffed us with that owed pick for kai. just such a massive fail all around.
separately, unless we are 90% sure miles will resign and we are confident in his legal troubles being over (impossible now since court moved to feb, near trade deadline) then I'm getting whatever I can for miles at deadline. plenty of contenders will part with a player and a mid/late first pick for a few months of miles in playoffs and his bird rights.

I agree and disagree about Kai. He at least protected it and we didn't give away a top 5 pick, there is a chance that we never even send anything but 2 2nds if we don't make the playoffs the next two years. Obviously, Kai sucked so we lost the trade but I don't think Mitch was all that careless per se.

[JustBuzzin]

That offer is nowhere close to what it costs to get Zion.

Well I'm not trading the farm for a guy who comes with his own issues.

I am not saying I would either, but it is pretty obvious that Pelicans would get far better offers.
Zion could tear his knee up today and I think teams would offer more than that.

Possibly.

I only mentioned him because of the rumors in the off-season. After watching Miller I would rather have him over Zion because Zion comes with a gamble.

[JDR720]

That was my idea when I posted a few Miles trades earlier. I think the Bulls are a prime target, unless they decide to rebuild.

Who would we be getting in return from Chicago?

Not LaVine or DeMar.

They just happen to have a few solid depth players that we could use. And I could see them be interested in Miles.

Patrick Williams, career 40% 3pt shooter. Can play SF/PF. Affordable contract (need to resign him though).
Ayo Dosunmu, efficient scorer 50% FG%. Can play PG/SG. Good size for position and should be affordable.

Caruso is an obvious target too, but I think a contender will outbid us for him.

So the idea is to swap Miles for a couple depth pieces that are younger and good fits with who we already have. Ayo is better than our collection of combo guards and Patrick is better than Thor.

Miles probably doesn't have much real trade value, but I put a Siakam trade a couple pages ago too if we want to take a bigger swing.