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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#601 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:08 am

OG Anunoby should be priority number one either now, or in the offseason. He's 26, now is the time you want to get him, and give him a five-year deal...In his prime. The very best possible scenario in my opinion would be for us to acquire OG Anunoby. If we strike out on him, then pony up an offer for Brandon Ingram. I think the idea should be to find a guy that's either in their prime, or entering their prime. It takes a little bit of luck on our part to find this player, but they're out there. Those are my top two choices if I had a choice to make. After that, the moves start to look a little suspect in my opinion.

I do and don't like the idea of Jerami Grant. He's 29 and you run the risk of an early decline with him while still being on the hook for 32 million a year. Remember...Grant is making 32 million a year! He'd be a fourth option for us assuming Tobias is still around. He'd also be forced to change his game up a bit. Right now he's pretty much "the guy" in Portland. He's been no worse than a number two option on losing teams since he started his tear through the league. What we would be getting would be what he was in Denver. Do we really want to pay 32 million over the next 4+ years for him to produce the way he did in Denver? He was a good role player there I'll give him that, but 32 mill? He'd fit great here if he would be willing to buy into the team concept while sacrificing scoring numbers.

Patrick Williams - Based off of what I've seen with Chicago, they seem too stubborn to admit that their team sucks and that they need to sell. So if they were to move Williams, I only see it being for another win now piece. Ironically, a player like Jerami Grant would improve their team and I could see them shipping Williams and change to Portland to make it happen. It seems realistic, Portland wants to rebuild, Chicago is happy making the playoffs, everyone wins.

Kyle Kuzma - How long until he asks out? I know they just paid him, but that means nothing once you realize the situation still sucks. Washington truly just needs to burn it to the ground and start over with only young prospects until they find a franchise player. Kuzma is a versatile forward that can handle a little bit and player either position on the floor.

Jordan Clarkson- If we really want another creator/scorer type player, then he's a great option. He doesn't defend though and I think that will be a deal-breaker with Nick Nurse. Whoever he puts out on that floor HAS to be a willing defender. I've never seen Clarkson give full effort on defense, but maybe he would under new circumstances? We'd be dealing with Ainge and he is the worst MF'er in the league to deal with.

PJ Washington- he's 25 years old and on a decent contract. He's a scoring machine, we could pair him off the bench with the guys we have. He's versatile enough that you can play him with Tobias Harris as your forwards. He would give us length, scoring, and rebounding. I like Washington a lot, but once again, we'd need him to buy in on defense.

Immanuel Quickley- If the Knicks aren't going to pay him, then we should. Doubt they'd deal with us though.

Anfernee Simons- Is he still in Portlands long term plans? Would he accept a bench role here?

Alex Caruso- Chicago will be too dumb to cash in on him.

I'm sure things will start to look a little clearer once teams separate themselves from each other. Right now, it's early and teams are still figuring out where they stack up in the league. Nobody is quitting, cashing in, or tanking the season just yet. There's a lot of parity in the league and even the worst teams in the league are only currently sitting a game or two out from a play in spot. I'm guessing we don't move if at all until the deadline.
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Post#602 » by M2J » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:30 am

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:OG Anunoby should be priority number one either now, or in the offseason. He's 26, now is the time you want to get him, and give him a five-year deal...In his prime. The very best possible scenario in my opinion would be for us to acquire OG Anunoby. If we strike out on him, then pony up an offer for Brandon Ingram. I think the idea should be to find a guy that's either in their prime, or entering their prime. It takes a little bit of luck on our part to find this player, but they're out there. Those are my top two choices if I had a choice to make. After that, the moves start to look a little suspect in my opinion.

I do and don't like the idea of Jerami Grant. He's 29 and you run the risk of an early decline with him while still being on the hook for 32 million a year. Remember...Grant is making 32 million a year! He'd be a fourth option for us assuming Tobias is still around. He'd also be forced to change his game up a bit. Right now he's pretty much "the guy" in Portland. He's been no worse than a number two option on losing teams since he started his tear through the league. What we would be getting would be what he was in Denver. Do we really want to pay 32 million over the next 4+ years for him to produce the way he did in Denver? He was a good role player there I'll give him that, but 32 mill? He'd fit great here if he would be willing to buy into the team concept while sacrificing scoring numbers.

Patrick Williams - Based off of what I've seen with Chicago, they seem too stubborn to admit that their team sucks and that they need to sell. So if they were to move Williams, I only see it being for another win now piece. Ironically, a player like Jerami Grant would improve their team and I could see them shipping Williams and change to Portland to make it happen. It seems realistic, Portland wants to rebuild, Chicago is happy making the playoffs, everyone wins.

Kyle Kuzma - How long until he asks out? I know they just paid him, but that means nothing once you realize the situation still sucks. Washington truly just needs to burn it to the ground and start over with only young prospects until they find a franchise player. Kuzma is a versatile forward that can handle a little bit and player either position on the floor.

Jordan Clarkson- If we really want another creator/scorer type player, then he's a great option. He doesn't defend though and I think that will be a deal-breaker with Nick Nurse. Whoever he puts out on that floor HAS to be a willing defender. I've never seen Clarkson give full effort on defense, but maybe he would under new circumstances? We'd be dealing with Ainge and he is the worst MF'er in the league to deal with.

PJ Washington- he's 25 years old and on a decent contract. He's a scoring machine, we could pair him off the bench with the guys we have. He's versatile enough that you can play him with Tobias Harris as your forwards. He would give us length, scoring, and rebounding. I like Washington a lot, but once again, we'd need him to buy in on defense.

Immanuel Quickley- If the Knicks aren't going to pay him, then we should. Doubt they'd deal with us though.

Anfernee Simons- Is he still in Portlands long term plans? Would he accept a bench role here?

Alex Caruso- Chicago will be too dumb to cash in on him.

I'm sure things will start to look a little clearer once teams separate themselves from each other. Right now, it's early and teams are still figuring out where they stack up in the league. Nobody is quitting, cashing in, or tanking the season just yet. There's a lot of parity in the league and even the worst teams in the league are only currently sitting a game or two out from a play in spot. I'm guessing we don't move if at all until the deadline.



OG Anunoby is going to take the full max to get him away, and he'll produce similar to or less than Grant did in Denver. Grant has proven he can generate points in an offense, it matters. However, there is only one ideal candidate, that's Bridges. Not likely, but not impossible. OG for the max sounds like Tobias for the max, except at the time Brand traded for Tobias, he was probably a better player.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#603 » by Black Mage » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:10 am

A few guys that haven't been brought up that I'd be happy seeing come in on cheaper deals:

1. Dort (Poor man's OG and OKC has a crowded team right now)
2. Levert (Gives us that secondary creator who could also lead the 2nd unit)
3. Nesmith (Seems like he's about to turn a corner in development; Pacers might value assets to having to pay and keep him)
4. Bruce Brown (always liked the guy, Kork & Morris makes the money work and he's a team option at 22 next year)
5. Avdija

The list of guys I am holding out hope for that I'd offer a big offer for:

1. Bane (I'd empty every asset we could spare to pair him up with Maxey);
2. Markannen (worried good player bad team stats and him buying in on defense, still a poor man's KAT);
3. OG (fit is obvious, but he's farther down the list b/c Masai is nuts in his demands)
4. Bridges (having a down year, but I think he gets back to norm, NETS might see getting LAC picks as making up for their own)

::EDIT:: I am very tempted to just stash that unprotected Clippers pick; feels like a gold mine that would allow us to bridge a declining Joel with a new youth infusion just as Maxey hits his prime. If we are using that pick it should be for a player that is both talented and youthful.
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Post#604 » by FlyingArrow » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:14 am

Anfernee Simons is a starter level player. He might accept a bench role on a contender, but not at a discount.
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Post#605 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 14, 2023 2:41 am

M2J wrote:
OG Anunoby is going to take the full max to get him away, and he'll produce similar to or less than Grant did in Denver. Grant has proven he can generate points in an offense, it matters. However, there is only one ideal candidate, that's Bridges. Not likely, but not impossible. OG for the max sounds like Tobias for the max, except at the time Brand traded for Tobias, he was probably a better player.

Yup. I was about to say this. And like Tobi, I dont care if we give him the max. I find that if the team can reach a certain level of championship contender status, owners dont mind paying the lux tax. While I dont really find it hard to sign a decent player with the minimum, if your team is good. We never had the problem to get a good player with the minimum.

I mean, people are saying here how we should trade for Caruso. Elfrid Payton is still a FA and he played well during some exhibition match during the preseason he could be had for cheap. Thats the kind of stuff you get Morey for, get you top expensive talents and get you good cheap talent.

My problem with trading OG is Masai is going to ask all our picks. He knows this is our “win now” move. Its a similar move we did with Harden and the Clips. He will not just ask for picks, but all the picks and Tobi. Where he probably will find a third team to trade Tobi for. And I dont know if we will get out of the team that much better. So you are looking atleast 3 first round picks and a pick swap for an upgrade for Tobi. If you look at the numbers, its quite a steep price for an upgrade.
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Post#606 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:17 am

Everyone looks good when winning. Even Tobi is in some list of top players this offseason and currently is one of the top MVP candidates for BKREF (harden make it top 5 last year). That said, OG Anunoby better Asks to be traded here while Oubre is out. He’d average 20+ppg on that Oubre role. Easy max money.
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Post#607 » by M2J » Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:02 am

Raptors are going to pay OG the max likely, so he'll be fine. He needs to go visit Uncle Drew Hanlen too.


On another note. If Brogdon could be had for like 2nd rounders, that would be a great fit. His health is the biggest draw back, but fit wise, he's excellent. Maybe ideal.
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Post#608 » by billy bremner » Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:46 am

Black Mage wrote:
The list of guys I am holding out hope for that I'd offer a big offer for:

1. Bane (I'd empty every asset we could spare to pair him up with Maxey);

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Post#609 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:48 am

M2J wrote:Raptors are going to pay OG the max likely, so he'll be fine. He needs to go visit Uncle Drew Hanlen too.


On another note. If Brogdon could be had for like 2nd rounders, that would be a great fit. His health is the biggest draw back, but fit wise, he's excellent. Maybe ideal.


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Post#610 » by Bum Adebayo » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:14 pm

IMO, a good strategy would be to go for players that are in dysfunctional teams, there is a higher chance to strike gold, as these teams usually make a player look worse, especially role players.
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Post#611 » by Bum Adebayo » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:02 pm

We need to go for Deni Avdija, he can be really good in the right scheme, the secondary playmaker alongside Maxey. Wizards are a dysfunctional franchise and don't know how to use him, that's the perfect trade to strike dat GOLD.
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Post#612 » by Wilfried » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:31 pm

billy bremner wrote:
Black Mage wrote:
The list of guys I am holding out hope for that I'd offer a big offer for:

1. Bane (I'd empty every asset we could spare to pair him up with Maxey);

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I like Bane too, but very difficult to obtain I'm afraid (his big contract only starts next summer).
Also looks more like a halfcourt player
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Post#613 » by Arsenal » Tue Nov 14, 2023 1:46 pm

Agree that Brogdon is probably the best target in terms of cost to acquire, contract status now and in the future, and fit with the current team and system.

OG is a better asset but will require us to empty our entire clip of assets, then re-sign him to a contract he's not worth. Just like the Tobias trade and extension 5 years ago.
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Post#614 » by Sixerscan » Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:27 pm

Brogdon would nuke our option for cap space next summer, for a guy who the Clippers blew up a trade for a few months ago after seeing his medicals.

OG and Tobias are different players. OG can still be a super valuable player without scoring or having the ball a lot in a way Tobias can’t. He slots in much better as a 3rd guy which is what we’re looking for. With Tobias they were basically trying to force him as a second option because of the weird Simmons situation.
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Post#615 » by Arsenal » Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:58 pm

Sixerscan wrote:Brogdon would nuke our option for cap space next summer, for a guy who the Clippers blew up a trade for a few months ago after seeing his medicals.

OG and Tobias are different players. OG can still be a super valuable player without scoring or having the ball a lot in a way Tobias can’t. He slots in much better as a 3rd guy which is what we’re looking for. With Tobias they were basically trying to force him as a second option because of the weird Simmons situation.


I don't disagree that OG is a better fit with Jo + Max. The problem is the opportunity cost of sending all our trade chips PLUS signing him probably to a max contract.

Re: Brogdon he didn't fail a physical with the Clippers. He got removed from the KP trade because there wasn't time enough for a physical before KP's midnight deadline to make the trade happen. But obviously he'd need to pass a physical for us to acquire him.

And his contract won't be an issue next summer. If needed, we could dump it to a cap space team. But being an over-the-cap team is probably better since it won't require us to purge all our depth.
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Post#616 » by M2J » Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:18 pm

Yeah, I just can't trust Brogdon being healthy. It's likely to be Siakam. I don't know if he hates Nurse or not. But plenty of players hate their coaches. Camelo risked his career going to Houston with Mike D. Kobe and Phil

He's got a cameroonian connection, it's also the best opportunity for him to win and fit in, and get maxed out. I think his shooting will be fine enough. 35-36% ish.
Kelly Oubre and Roco Prove he can work with this group and the offense will flow. Or just get Grant
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Post#617 » by GutUNC » Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:23 pm

Lavine's officially available, hope we pass (unlike him)
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Post#618 » by Doramas » Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:30 pm

M2J wrote:Yeah, I just can't trust Brogdon being healthy. It's likely to be Siakam. I don't know if he hates Nurse or not. But plenty of players hate their coaches.

He's got a cameroonian connection, it's also the best opportunity for him to win and fit in, and get maxed out. I think his shooting will be fine enough. 35-36% ish.
Kelly Oubre and Roco Prove he can work with this group and the offense will flow. Or just get Grant


He's already won, he's already got a ring, and we don't know if he's going to prioritise financially or his ambition to win a second ring.
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Post#619 » by M2J » Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:33 pm

GutUNC wrote:Lavine's officially available, hope we pass (unlike him)



Best place for Zach is Brooklyn tbh. Though, of course I can see him here. I would leave that up to Nurse honestly
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Post#620 » by Mik317 » Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:36 pm

again I don't think Siakham and Jo really like each other that much lol.
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