It's time to turn the page on Fultz.

[Skybox]

The shooters that CAN defend are the expensive ones. That's why like KCP are making huge differences on our team. A player like Mcdermot might help on the spacing but our defense will take a hit. we have a shooter that would be helpful in Harris... if his volume increased.... be a lil more selfish as long as the shot is good... and i guess that goes onto the high usage players to get him the ball in those positions so that he eventually takes the pressure off of them.

I still think cutting bait on Fultz is premature... as he's only played in 5 games... only 3-4 healthy ... at the beginning of the season... and with Paolo and Franz not really doing their best.

We'll see how the front office envisions it and how they will manage it.

Premature to move on from Fultz?

What more do we possibly need to learn at this point?

He's had time, he's had starter minutes, hes had quality teammates, hes had coaching, he's had rehab, hes had a massive arm around him after his rough start, he's had financial and contractual security...

There is nothing more to know. Markelle Fultz is who he is. A decent player who is a very poor fit with the Magic.

Yup. Case closed.

I won't be mad if he catches on and does well elsewhere (maybe a little)...but he's had PLENTY of time to show more than he has. Time's up. Just not a good fit and, honestly, even if he were a better fit -it'd be a compromise to accommodate him. I feel bad that his shoulder issues compromised the star he looked to be. But he's built to be a scoring Lead Guard - but he's not able to do that without shooting. He could still be a very productive (even without the shooting) Westbrook if he were as fiercely competitive and pushed harder to get to the rim, draw fouls, pile up assists, etc. But he doesn't do any of that...

good players move around the league. It's not that big of a deal...best wishes.

[RichCollab]

So Fultz starts next game?

[AaronB]

So, Fultz starts next game?

No, he has patellar tendonitis (also called jumper's knee).

This is very concerning. It is an overuse condition, just like his shoulder condition, which is why historically, baseball pitchers get the shoulder condition and only some basketball players.

If Fultz loses his ability to jump out of the gym, does he really have much left?

[basketballRob]

So Fultz starts next game?

He's already listed out

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[Rainwater]

Markelle does not help our shooting and I agree that our offense would be better if he did have 3 point range. I just want to point out that he is not the sole reason why our offense is bottom 10 in efficiency and our entire playing rotation lacks shooting.

We don't really have one great shooter on the roster.

Our team could benefit from acquiring a true specialist type like McDermott but I think the league has adjusted as a whole now and those guys are expensive and hard to get.

The shooters that CAN defend are the expensive ones. That's why like KCP are making huge differences on our team. A player like Mcdermot might help on the spacing but our defense will take a hit. we have a shooter that would be helpful in Harris... if his volume increased.... be a lil more selfish as long as the shot is good... and i guess that goes onto the high usage players to get him the ball in those positions so that he eventually takes the pressure off of them.

I still think cutting bait on Fultz is premature... as he's only played in 5 games... only 3-4 healthy ... at the beginning of the season... and with Paolo and Franz not really doing their best.

We'll see how the front office envisions it and how they will manage it.

He’s been with the magic for 5 years and in the league 7, I wouldn’t say it’s premature at all.

[AaronB]

I have been bullish Fultz for a long time and continue to do so. Not interested in the argument

However, his people cost him a ton of money this off-season. I am sure that the Magic had a nice multi-year contract offer for about the MLE or just above.

With this patella injury, he will probably not get anywhere near that number.

Injury prone players should always take the early money and run.

[Skybox]

I have been bullish Fultz for a long time and continue to do so. Not interested in the argument

However, his people cost him a ton of money this off-season. I am sure that the Magic had a nice multi-year contract offer for about the MLE or just above.

With this patella injury, he will probably not get anywhere near that number.

Injury prone players should always take the early money and run.

I see no reason to think there was an offer pending at any time. This is his early season to prove he's progressing and it's not going well. I think, given his issues, he would've signed anything close to his present rate. I also don't see why they'd offer MLE money, because $17m/year was based on an assumption that his shoulder issues would be long gone and his shooting would be flirting with, at least "OK" levels. They aren't close to OK...It's now or never. But no worries, one of the many other suitors will move up in the queue.

Do you think his nice offer was dismissed before or after they drafted his bigger, younger, better defending evil twin?

[jibba jones]

He has no great value anyway. He’s gonna expire or get better.

[Bigmagicfan82]

I have been bullish Fultz for a long time and continue to do so. Not interested in the argument

However, his people cost him a ton of money this off-season. I am sure that the Magic had a nice multi-year contract offer for about the MLE or just above.

With this patella injury, he will probably not get anywhere near that number.

Injury prone players should always take the early money and run.

I don't think Orlando offered him anything. There was an interview (I think during media day) where Flutz was saying that he was hoping for an extension for the Magic. IMO when they gave Cole the extension, Flutz fate was all but sealed.

After the draft everyone kept saying that drafting Black was a sign the Suggs or Anthony were going to go. That never made sense to me because Black's game was close to Flutz than Anthony or Suggs. Not giving Flutz an extension, the writing is on the wall.

[RichCollab]

Fultz deadline is different than Cole’s.

[AaronB]

There is always an offer. How good the offer is is the question. I am 99% certain they had informal discussions before the draft. I am sure both sides wanted to feel out where the other side was before making decisions on who to draft. They had the same informal discussions with Cole’s team.

Cole’s team made a good decision to keep it team friendly and Fultz’s team probably wanted a bit too high of number.

[Bensational]

I have been bullish Fultz for a long time and continue to do so. Not interested in the argument

However, his people cost him a ton of money this off-season. I am sure that the Magic had a nice multi-year contract offer for about the MLE or just above.

With this patella injury, he will probably not get anywhere near that number.

Injury prone players should always take the early money and run.

I see no reason to think there was an offer pending at any time. This is his early season to prove he's progressing and it's not going well. I think, given his issues, he would've signed anything close to his present rate. I also don't see why they'd offer MLE money, because $17m/year was based on an assumption that his shoulder issues would be long gone and his shooting would be flirting with, at least "OK" levels. They aren't close to OK...It's now or never. But no worries, one of the many other suitors will move up in the queue.

Do you think his nice offer was dismissed before or after they drafted his bigger, younger, better defending evil twin?

I thought re-signing Fultz was an all but foregone conclusion? I was told many times that the Magic wouldn’t be able to let him go if the team was winning whilst he was still on it. I was also told he’d be commanding well north of $20M a season.

[fendilim]

Giving him anything more than a minimum deal is self-inflicting harm tbh.

I’m not sure if he even has any value in the league right now other than being a large chunk of expiring contract.

[eyriq]

I have been bullish Fultz for a long time and continue to do so. Not interested in the argument

However, his people cost him a ton of money this off-season. I am sure that the Magic had a nice multi-year contract offer for about the MLE or just above.

With this patella injury, he will probably not get anywhere near that number.

Injury prone players should always take the early money and run.

I see no reason to think there was an offer pending at any time. This is his early season to prove he's progressing and it's not going well. I think, given his issues, he would've signed anything close to his present rate. I also don't see why they'd offer MLE money, because $17m/year was based on an assumption that his shoulder issues would be long gone and his shooting would be flirting with, at least "OK" levels. They aren't close to OK...It's now or never. But no worries, one of the many other suitors will move up in the queue.

Do you think his nice offer was dismissed before or after they drafted his bigger, younger, better defending evil twin?

I thought re-signing Fultz was an all but foregone conclusion? I was told many times that the Magic wouldn’t be able to let him go if the team was winning whilst he was still on it. I was also told he’d be commanding well north of $20M a season.

That narrative never jived with me either

[NavalAviator94]

If they do anything it will be a two year, team option on the second. Completely tradeable. For all we know this could be the beginning of the end. This doesn’t feel good for some reason.

[thelead]

If they do anything it will be a two year, team option on the second. Completely tradeable. For all we know this could be the beginning of the end. This doesn’t feel good for some reason.

It doesn't feel good because Fultz seems like a good kid and is a team player... and we already have his replacement... but Fultz just isn't physically right. This was supposed to be the 'put up or shut up' season and he's already dealing with injuries and his shot looks broken again. I was rooting for him all summer and it sucks... but luckily we have a 19 year old lotto pick that looks promising.

[AaronB]

I have been bullish Fultz for a long time and continue to do so. Not interested in the argument

However, his people cost him a ton of money this off-season. I am sure that the Magic had a nice multi-year contract offer for about the MLE or just above.

With this patella injury, he will probably not get anywhere near that number.

Injury prone players should always take the early money and run.

I see no reason to think there was an offer pending at any time. This is his early season to prove he's progressing and it's not going well. I think, given his issues, he would've signed anything close to his present rate. I also don't see why they'd offer MLE money, because $17m/year was based on an assumption that his shoulder issues would be long gone and his shooting would be flirting with, at least "OK" levels. They aren't close to OK...It's now or never. But no worries, one of the many other suitors will move up in the queue.

Do you think his nice offer was dismissed before or after they drafted his bigger, younger, better defending evil twin?

I thought re-signing Fultz was an all but foregone conclusion? I was told many times that the Magic wouldn’t be able to let him go if the team was winning whilst he was still on it. I was also told he’d be commanding well north of $20M a season.

Not from me, and I am about as bullish Fultz as there is on the board.

As I have said many times, injury missed time is the most predictive individual statistic in the NBA as well as most sports. I doubt either Simons or Herro (both popular players for Magic fans to hope the Magic acquire) will play more than 60 games this year.

Yet even I had no clue what he was worth, all I knew was that whatever he would be paid, it would be insanity to not ask for an out based on games played in any one year. The same is true for Isaac. Turns out Carter's contract was so team-friendly it was not necessary.

If one looks at the Magic roster however, to have 4 players in the rotation who cannot be counted on to play at least 60 games over the year is a problem for team chemistry. There have been some, but very few winners have that many rotation players who consistently miss large amounts of time.

[eyriq]

I see no reason to think there was an offer pending at any time. This is his early season to prove he's progressing and it's not going well. I think, given his issues, he would've signed anything close to his present rate. I also don't see why they'd offer MLE money, because $17m/year was based on an assumption that his shoulder issues would be long gone and his shooting would be flirting with, at least "OK" levels. They aren't close to OK...It's now or never. But no worries, one of the many other suitors will move up in the queue.

Do you think his nice offer was dismissed before or after they drafted his bigger, younger, better defending evil twin?

I thought re-signing Fultz was an all but foregone conclusion? I was told many times that the Magic wouldn’t be able to let him go if the team was winning whilst he was still on it. I was also told he’d be commanding well north of $20M a season.

Not from me, and I am about as bullish Fultz as there is on the board.

As I have said many times, injury missed time is the most predictive individual statistic in the NBA as well as most sports. I doubt either Simons or Herro (both popular players for Magic fans to hope the Magic acquire) will play more than 60 games this year.

Yet even I had no clue what he was worth, all I knew was that whatever he would be paid, it would be insanity to not ask for an out based on games played in any one year. The same is true for Isaac. Turns out Carter's contract was so team-friendly it was not necessary.

If one looks at the Magic roster however, to have 4 players in the rotation who cannot be counted on to play at least 60 games over the year is a problem for team chemistry. There have been some, but very few winners have that many rotation players who consistently miss large amounts of time.

Good point. Harris, WCJ, Fultz, and Isaac are too many injury prone players. It's a shame too. I'm hopeful for WCJ still.

[CarraT]

Giving him anything more than a minimum deal is self-inflicting harm tbh.

I’m not sure if he even has any value in the league right now other than being a large chunk of expiring contract.

He doesn´t!

[RichCollab]

He needs to sit until he gets his knee right. I don’t know why he’s traveling with the team on this road trip. Stay home and treat your knee.