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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#201 » by Ben » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:21 am

ProcessDoctor wrote:Enjoying this year, looking ahead to next year.


Deadline Trade:
1. Morris/House/2026 PHI 1st/2028 LAC 1st/2028 PHI 1st swap/2029 PHI 1st for Mikal Bridges

Summer:
1. Re-sign Tobias to a 3-year, $60 mil deal
2. Sign Anunoby to a 4-year, $130 mil deal
3. Re-sign Maxey to a 5-year max deal
4. Re-sign Melton to a 3-year full MLE deal
5. Re-sign Batum to a 2-year BAE deal
6. Re-sign Covington and Beverley to vet minimum deals
7. Use our 2024 FRP on a stretch 4


Maxey/Beverley/Springer
Bridges/Melton/(project/vet min)
Anunoby/Batum/(project/vet min)
Harris/Covington/(2024 1st)
Embiid/Reed/(project/vet min)


I applaud this as well. I don't think it'll be possible to sign OG as a FA, though, for reasons that others have already pointed out. Getting Bridges, though, would be huge-- a real coup. Bridges plus re-sign Harris and maybe Oubre and I'd be pretty darned happy.

I'm also very interested in Alex Caruso if Bridges weren't available; Melton and picks would fit salary-wise and could be worth it for the Bulls as they're not going anywhere right now and Caruso is 29. They'd have to get some picks, as Caruso might be their best asset right now. He'd be very good next to Maxey.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#202 » by zaz102 » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:21 am

Would OG want to sign with that bum team?
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#203 » by Covi_Marsh » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:47 am

zaz102 wrote:Would OG want to sign with that bum team?


If they offer him max, I don’t see anyone challenging that lol.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#204 » by ProcessDoctor » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:09 pm

Ben wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Enjoying this year, looking ahead to next year.


Deadline Trade:
1. Morris/House/2026 PHI 1st/2028 LAC 1st/2028 PHI 1st swap/2029 PHI 1st for Mikal Bridges

Summer:
1. Re-sign Tobias to a 3-year, $60 mil deal
2. Sign Anunoby to a 4-year, $130 mil deal
3. Re-sign Maxey to a 5-year max deal
4. Re-sign Melton to a 3-year full MLE deal
5. Re-sign Batum to a 2-year BAE deal
6. Re-sign Covington and Beverley to vet minimum deals
7. Use our 2024 FRP on a stretch 4


Maxey/Beverley/Springer
Bridges/Melton/(project/vet min)
Anunoby/Batum/(project/vet min)
Harris/Covington/(2024 1st)
Embiid/Reed/(project/vet min)


I applaud this as well. I don't think it'll be possible to sign OG as a FA, though, for reasons that others have already pointed out. Getting Bridges, though, would be huge-- a real coup. Bridges plus re-sign Harris and maybe Oubre and I'd be pretty darned happy.

I'm also very interested in Alex Caruso if Bridges weren't available; Melton and picks would fit salary-wise and could be worth it for the Bulls as they're not going anywhere right now and Caruso is 29. They'd have to get some picks, as Caruso might be their best asset right now. He'd be very good next to Maxey.


Yea it'll be interesting to see what OG gets. Jerami Grant received a 5-year, $160 mil deal ($32 mil/year), so I imagine OG will receive something in that ballpark or more. I've seen a couple of articles valuing OG at about $30 mil/year.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10091793-nba-rumors-og-anunoby-will-rebuff-raptors-contract-extension-eyes-2024-free-agency

The longest contract we could offer him is 4 years, whereas Toronto could offer 5. So, if we offer him a 4-year, $140 mil that puts him at $35 mil/year with a starting salary of around $33 mil. I would prioritize obtaining him plus Bridges over retaining Harris.

If whatever money we have left over isn't enough to retain Harris, then so be it. He's received a lot from us, so if he isn't willing to take a hometown discount (i.e. 4-year, $70 mil) then we can offer that money to Oubre or another UFA. Works fine too:

Maxey/Beverley/Springer
Bridges/Melton/(project/vet min)
Batum/Oubre/(project/vet min)
Anunoby/Covington/(2024 1st)
Embiid/Reed/(project/vet min)
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Edgecombe/Grimes/Gordon
George/Oubre/Edwards
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#205 » by Covi_Marsh » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:29 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
Ben wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Enjoying this year, looking ahead to next year.


Deadline Trade:
1. Morris/House/2026 PHI 1st/2028 LAC 1st/2028 PHI 1st swap/2029 PHI 1st for Mikal Bridges

Summer:
1. Re-sign Tobias to a 3-year, $60 mil deal
2. Sign Anunoby to a 4-year, $130 mil deal
3. Re-sign Maxey to a 5-year max deal
4. Re-sign Melton to a 3-year full MLE deal
5. Re-sign Batum to a 2-year BAE deal
6. Re-sign Covington and Beverley to vet minimum deals
7. Use our 2024 FRP on a stretch 4


Maxey/Beverley/Springer
Bridges/Melton/(project/vet min)
Anunoby/Batum/(project/vet min)
Harris/Covington/(2024 1st)
Embiid/Reed/(project/vet min)


I applaud this as well. I don't think it'll be possible to sign OG as a FA, though, for reasons that others have already pointed out. Getting Bridges, though, would be huge-- a real coup. Bridges plus re-sign Harris and maybe Oubre and I'd be pretty darned happy.

I'm also very interested in Alex Caruso if Bridges weren't available; Melton and picks would fit salary-wise and could be worth it for the Bulls as they're not going anywhere right now and Caruso is 29. They'd have to get some picks, as Caruso might be their best asset right now. He'd be very good next to Maxey.


Yea it'll be interesting to see what OG gets. Jerami Grant received a 5-year, $160 mil deal ($32 mil/year), so I imagine OG will receive something in that ballpark or more. I've seen a couple of articles valuing OG at about $30 mil/year.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10091793-nba-rumors-og-anunoby-will-rebuff-raptors-contract-extension-eyes-2024-free-agency

The longest contract we could offer him is 4 years, whereas Toronto could offer 5. So, if we offer him a 4-year, $140 mil that puts him at $35 mil/year with a starting salary of around $33 mil. I would prioritize obtaining him plus Bridges over retaining Harris.

If whatever money we have left over isn't enough to retain Harris, then so be it. He's received a lot from us, so if he isn't willing to take a hometown discount (i.e. 4-year, $70 mil) then we can offer that money to Oubre or another UFA. Works fine too:

Maxey/Beverley/Springer
Bridges/Melton/(project/vet min)
Batum/Oubre/(project/vet min)
Anunoby/Covington/(2024 1st)
Embiid/Reed/(project/vet min)


If we can get OG and Bridges, I don’t think anyone would be complaining about losing Tobias, although Tobias may be a better offensive player than both of them.

In that lineup, we would probably have to start Oubre. Batum is an expiring and I don’t think he would resign to stay on the east coast if his family loves LA.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#206 » by Covi_Marsh » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:33 pm

Is Bridges suddenly attainable? I think Bridges and Cam Johnson are the building blocks for Brooklyn. They may be looking to package some of those wings and picks to get a Donovan Mitchell when he requests out of Cleveland. He’ll be on his final year this off-season because he will certainly opt out after that season, and I don’t think he ever wanted to play in Cleveland.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#207 » by youngcrev » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:49 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:Enjoying this year, looking ahead to next year.


Deadline Trade:
1. Morris/House/2026 PHI 1st/2028 LAC 1st/2028 PHI 1st swap/2029 PHI 1st for Mikal Bridges

Summer:
1. Re-sign Tobias to a 3-year, $60 mil deal
2. Sign Anunoby to a 4-year, $130 mil deal
3. Re-sign Maxey to a 5-year max deal
4. Re-sign Melton to a 3-year full MLE deal
5. Re-sign Batum to a 2-year BAE deal
6. Re-sign Covington and Beverley to vet minimum deals
7. Use our 2024 FRP on a stretch 4


Maxey/Beverley/Springer
Bridges/Melton/(project/vet min)
Anunoby/Batum/(project/vet min)
Harris/Covington/(2024 1st)
Embiid/Reed/(project/vet min)


Managing to add OG and Bridges to Embiid and Maxey would be amazing.

I don't think Bridges is available though. And most of that other stuff isn't doable. Not enough cap to retain Tobias. Wouldn't have the MLE to keep Melton. Or the BAE to retain Batum, who is supposedly retiring anyway. Don't think Cov is a minimum guy.

Honestly, if you could get Bridges, you might be better off just acting as an over the cap team, retaining your own guys, and spending the MLE to keep Oubre.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#208 » by ProcessDoctor » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:55 pm

youngcrev wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:Enjoying this year, looking ahead to next year.


Deadline Trade:
1. Morris/House/2026 PHI 1st/2028 LAC 1st/2028 PHI 1st swap/2029 PHI 1st for Mikal Bridges

Summer:
1. Re-sign Tobias to a 3-year, $60 mil deal
2. Sign Anunoby to a 4-year, $130 mil deal
3. Re-sign Maxey to a 5-year max deal
4. Re-sign Melton to a 3-year full MLE deal
5. Re-sign Batum to a 2-year BAE deal
6. Re-sign Covington and Beverley to vet minimum deals
7. Use our 2024 FRP on a stretch 4


Maxey/Beverley/Springer
Bridges/Melton/(project/vet min)
Anunoby/Batum/(project/vet min)
Harris/Covington/(2024 1st)
Embiid/Reed/(project/vet min)


Managing to add OG and Bridges to Embiid and Maxey would be amazing.

I don't think Bridges is available though. And most of that other stuff isn't doable. Not enough cap to retain Tobias. Wouldn't have the MLE to keep Melton. Or the BAE to retain Batum, who is supposedly retiring anyway. Don't think Cov is a minimum guy.

Honestly, if you could get Bridges, you might be better off just acting as an over the cap team, retaining your own guys, and spending the MLE to keep Oubre.


Totally fair. And that's the beauty of our flexible situation now. There are probably 50 great ways it can play out. I trust Morey to maximize the picks and cap space we have.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#209 » by PhillyFan11 » Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:52 pm

The Nick Nurse special trade…South Toronto Sixers

Tobi, Springer, Korkmaz, 2 ‘24 2nd’s, ‘28 lotto protected 1st for OG, GTJ, and Boucher

Maxey-Melton-Pat Bev
GTJ-Oubre-KMartJr
OG-RoCo-House
Batum-Boucher-Morris
Embiid-Reed-Bamba

That 3rd string bench mob might actually be better than our bench last year.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#210 » by Ben » Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:14 am

To reiterate about Caruso, with all of the media smoke about opposing teams scouting the Bulls:
AC seems like the kind of guy who could cement a title team. Great guard defender, pretty good playmakers, very strong 3P shooter, at his peak and probably just about to go over the edge toward decline. Put him in the starting lineup and he'd make defenders pay for doubling Maxey or Embiid, and he'd also defend the bigger guard and free up Maxey for the smaller assignment. Signed for another year after this one, but IMO that's a good thing b/c the Sixers almost certainly aren't getting another max-worthy signee and Caruso is better than pretty much anyone who'll be available at his contract number.

Melton + draft picks.

As a Chicago fan as well as Sixers fan I wouldn't propose this if it hurt the Bulls, but unfortunately (for folks like me) Chicago's not going anywhere and for a team in their position Melton isn't all that big a fall-off from Caruso. I'd be interested in seeing whether there's a win-win scenario out there. Not as sexy as getting Bridges, but probably a lot more do-able.
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Post#211 » by 76ciology » Sun Nov 12, 2023 6:05 am

Ben wrote:To reiterate about Caruso, with all of the media smoke about opposing teams scouting the Bulls:
AC seems like the kind of guy who could cement a title team. Great guard defender, pretty good playmakers, very strong 3P shooter, at his peak and probably just about to go over the edge toward decline. Put him in the starting lineup and he'd make defenders pay for doubling Maxey or Embiid, and he'd also defend the bigger guard and free up Maxey for the smaller assignment. Signed for another year after this one, but IMO that's a good thing b/c the Sixers almost certainly aren't getting another max-worthy signee and Caruso is better than pretty much anyone who'll be available at his contract number.

Melton + draft picks.

As a Chicago fan as well as Sixers fan I wouldn't propose this if it hurt the Bulls, but unfortunately (for folks like me) Chicago's not going anywhere and for a team in their position Melton isn't all that big a fall-off from Caruso. I'd be interested in seeing whether there's a win-win scenario out there. Not as sexy as getting Bridges, but probably a lot more do-able.


Caruso is a good player and I even find him as a cheaper alternative to OG

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Post#212 » by the_process » Sun Nov 12, 2023 3:34 pm

PhillyFan11 wrote:The Nick Nurse special trade…South Toronto Sixers

Tobi, Springer, Korkmaz, 2 ‘24 2nd’s, ‘28 lotto protected 1st for OG, GTJ, and Boucher

Maxey-Melton-Pat Bev
GTJ-Oubre-KMartJr
OG-RoCo-House
Batum-Boucher-Morris
Embiid-Reed-Bamba

That 3rd string bench mob might actually be better than our bench last year.


Masai will demand 4 1sts to make that trade.

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Post#213 » by the_process » Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:40 pm

There's gotta be a way to turn Melton and Korkmaz into Caruso and Drummond without a 1st

Cavs get Melton
Bulls get Rubio, Korkmaz, and a top 20 protected CLE 1st
Sixers get Caruso and Drummond
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Post#214 » by Arsenal » Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:24 pm

I'd like Caruso but not for Melton, who is a similar player, early shooting slump notwithstanding. Melton is the ideal 3rd guard for a title team.

Straight up you can make an argument that Melton is more valuable when you consider youth and availability.
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Post#215 » by the_process » Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:36 pm

Arsenal wrote:I'd like Caruso but not for Melton, who is a similar player, early shooting slump notwithstanding. Melton is the ideal 3rd guard for a title team.

Straight up you can make an argument that Melton is more valuable when you consider youth and availability.


Melton's wingspan does not make ip for his lack of height. Also has a bad track record in the playoffs. I consider Caruso an upgrade. Can't have both as they are too repetitive.
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Post#216 » by Kobblehead » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:18 pm

Ben wrote:To reiterate about Caruso, with all of the media smoke about opposing teams scouting the Bulls:
AC seems like the kind of guy who could cement a title team. Great guard defender, pretty good playmakers, very strong 3P shooter, at his peak and probably just about to go over the edge toward decline. Put him in the starting lineup and he'd make defenders pay for doubling Maxey or Embiid, and he'd also defend the bigger guard and free up Maxey for the smaller assignment. Signed for another year after this one, but IMO that's a good thing b/c the Sixers almost certainly aren't getting another max-worthy signee and Caruso is better than pretty much anyone who'll be available at his contract number.

Melton + draft picks.

As a Chicago fan as well as Sixers fan I wouldn't propose this if it hurt the Bulls, but unfortunately (for folks like me) Chicago's not going anywhere and for a team in their position Melton isn't all that big a fall-off from Caruso. I'd be interested in seeing whether there's a win-win scenario out there. Not as sexy as getting Bridges, but probably a lot more do-able.

Too lateral a move from Melton IMO. Not really worth the cost of acquisition. Would be interested in a smaller deal with Chicago for Jevon Carter instead.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#217 » by youngcrev » Tue Nov 14, 2023 12:54 am

Just thinking through the Bridges thing, and what the best package we could put on the table without losing immediate help...

Marcus Morris
Jaden Springer
Better of our PHI or the other 26 1st round pick
Better of PHI/LAC 28 1st round pick
Better of PHI/LAC 29 1st round pick
Swap option in 2030

If he were available, that actually feels like a pretty substantial offer, with those picks down the road having a ton of upside.

The Sixers wouldn't be left with much trade flexibility, but they would still have the possibility of a cap space plan on the table if this year didn't turn out as hoped.

Maxey
Bridges
Harris
Batum
Embiid

Melton, Oubre, Reed, Covington
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Post#218 » by SixthStreet » Tue Nov 14, 2023 3:48 am

I’d try and get a third team involved on a Melton Morris Springer package that nets DeRozan. Third team takes Melton and routes draft capital to the Bulls.

We retain all our draft picks for the bigger move (although sacrifice our biggest non Tobias salary ballast).
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Post#219 » by 76ciology » Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:02 am

Bulls:
Springer
Korkmaz ($5M expiring)
2028 Sixers pick swap option
3 2nd round picks from Clips Trade
- got a pick swap and a young replacement for Caruso
* if Bulls can opt for Melton instead of Springer and Korkmaz

Raptors:
Alex Caruso
2026 OKC 1st Round Pick
2028 Clipper 1st round pick
2029 Clipper 1st Round Pick
3 2nd round picks from Clips Trade
Marcus Morris ($17M expiring)
- downgraded OG for Caruso. 8pts less but same level of defense. Saves money than maxing OG.
- 3 first round picks

Sixers:
OG Anunoby
- Got their 4th or 5th option on offense behind Embiid, Maxey, Tobi and Oubre.

Maxey/Beverly
OG Anunoby/Melton
Oubre/Batum
Tobias/Roco
Embiid/Reed
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 

Post#220 » by Sixersftw » Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:42 am

Every trade for OG seems like a massive overpay. Maybe its just me.

The thought of Bridges, now that does make me smile.
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