PG: Knicks fall short in loss to Celts

[rajajackal]

bring me taj gibson

[Clyde Frazier]

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If we're being reasonable, this has been a pretty tough schedule to start the season too. Doesn't help being on the road the next 4 games but ATL, WAS, CHA, MIN isn't too bad.

[shtolky]

Are the Knicks really going to have 3 more games this week? Is the NBA out of the freaking mind?

It's a borderline miracle we're .500 given that we had 2 sets of 3 games in 4 days to start the season. About to have another one playing the Hawks tomorrow too. Schedule makers can really eff off.

Agreed on the schedule, it's been absolutely insane. 5-5 is commendable given the schedule and RJ missing some games. I'd argue the team hasn't had one bad loss yet, with three on the second of back to backs and two very winnable games against Boston and Milwaukee. As hard as the schedule has been so far, there is a stretch from mid-January to mid-February that has them playing 12 out of 14 at home, with just two back to backs (and the two road games are against BK and CHA, so basically one road game). If they can, at worst, tread water until then, that's the stretch where they can pile up some wins.

Still need to make a move though, team needs a superstar badly.

[dakomish23]

No need to panic. Just need RJ back and to keep up his progress

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I'd say the panic is when Thibs continues to Thibs. No accountability and no willingness to rein in his players

This team has basically not once been blown out despite a brutal schedule both in quality of opponent and ridiculously tight scheduling.

Randle was not in condition early and RJ has been in and out of the line up. Brunson hasn't seemed to be in quite his full regular season form either. Despite all that we have been competitive every single game. I am not worried about the 5-5 record at all for so much adversity to start a season.

What does what you said have to do with what I said? No where did I say the record is a reason to panic

[Gant]

NBA strength of schedule at this moment. This will change daily. The Knicks are in the middle of the pack at 16th, based purely on opponent quality.
https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

However according to the Expected Win Loss formula on this chart, they should be 7-3. That formula factors in points scored and allowed.

Boston has had the hardest schedule at this moment, 10 games in. Toronto second. Minnesota third. The Clippers, Suns, and Grizzlies have all had easy schedules so far.

[nedleeds]

Some excuse making paragons in this thread. We got the schedule, we got Randle beer gut, RJs bruised frontal lobe.

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi

We're 19th in RPI. Which is likely what we are, a 7th seed non-contender. Boston is first and 8-2 and had the hardest schedule. Barring a **** meteor hitting a Bucks / Celts game we can start the sell off ASAP.

[mpharris36]

You could say that about much of the team - Windler, Sims, Fournier, Brown, Jefferies. ANd Jacob Toppin is 6'8" - why aren't u up in arms that he's not playing? He fits that size issue exactly.

Fournier is being kept because of potential salary fitting at deadline.

Jefferies can play a bit

Windler is a bum too

Brown isn't good

Toppin stinks

our bottom of the roster blows

But arcidiacono is the least likely to contribute in an NBA game. He simply isn't an NBA player. Lets just tell it like it is. He's also almost 30...that spot could be used to try to help develop a young player as well.

Let's cut them all then. And bring in ... five of your choosing. Which will win us how many MORE games?

And if those 5 spots above aren't being used to "develop a young player" now, what makes you think that specifically RA's will be?

why are you so offended. Arcidiacono is not an NBA caliber player. It is what it is. I am a Pitt graduate and was there when Dejuan Blair and Sam Young were dominate college players...that doesn't mean I thought either was a quality NBA player.

Our end of our bench is being used to appease agents and nepotism...it has been for a minute.

[8516knicks]

Fournier is being kept because of potential salary fitting at deadline.

Jefferies can play a bit

Windler is a bum too

Brown isn't good

Toppin stinks

our bottom of the roster blows

But arcidiacono is the least likely to contribute in an NBA game. He simply isn't an NBA player. Lets just tell it like it is. He's also almost 30...that spot could be used to try to help develop a young player as well.

Let's cut them all then. And bring in ... five of your choosing. Which will win us how many MORE games?

And if those 5 spots above aren't being used to "develop a young player" now, what makes you think that specifically RA's will be?

why are you so offended. Arcidiacono is not an NBA caliber player. It is what it is. I am a Pitt graduate and was there when Dejuan Blair and Sam Young were dominate college players...that doesn't mean I thought either was a quality NBA player.

Our end of our bench is being used to appease agents and nepotism...it has been for a minute.

I'm not offended. I said cut them all. Still waiting for u to say how many wins that will get us. Apparently you want disgruntled bad attitude guys for the end of the bench. To each his own.

[Gravy]

NBA strength of schedule at this moment. This will change daily. The Knicks are in the middle of the pack at 16th, based purely on opponent quality.
https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/rpi/_/sort/SOS

However according to the Expected Win Loss formula on this chart, they should be 7-3. That formula factors in points scored and allowed.

Boston has had the hardest schedule at this moment, 10 games in. Toronto second. Minnesota third. The Clippers, Suns, and Grizzlies have all had easy schedules so far.

Boston has had only one back to back and both games were at home.

[Capn'O]

They're probably not cutting Archipelago but we have a few guys that could be cut and nobody would bat an eye. Who to cut is not the limiting factor in bringing in a backup 4.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Let's cut them all then. And bring in ... five of your choosing. Which will win us how many MORE games?

And if those 5 spots above aren't being used to "develop a young player" now, what makes you think that specifically RA's will be?

why are you so offended. Arcidiacono is not an NBA caliber player. It is what it is. I am a Pitt graduate and was there when Dejuan Blair and Sam Young were dominate college players...that doesn't mean I thought either was a quality NBA player.

Our end of our bench is being used to appease agents and nepotism...it has been for a minute.

I'm not offended. I said cut them all. Still waiting for u to say how many wins that will get us. Apparently you want disgruntled bad attitude guys for the end of the bench. To each his own.

Nah, you could have better guys, like Jeff Green is putting up better stats right now than DDV and fills a need as a backup 4. The Suns filled out their bench with vet min guys that are playing real minutes.

[mpharris36]

They're probably not cutting Archipelago but we have a few guys that could be cut and nobody would bat an eye. Who to cut is not the limiting factor in bringing in a backup 4.

as long as we agree that a lot of our end of the bench is agent favors and nepotism because we could have done a lot better filling out the end of the bench in case of injuries...

Outside of McBride/Fournier/Sims maybe...there there is like 5-6 guys I would never trust in a spot to give you quality NBA minutes. And right now all it takes is for RJ/Hart/Randle to to get hurt for one of them to be playing close to 48 minutes a night which Hart just did yesterday.

[8516knicks]

why are you so offended. Arcidiacono is not an NBA caliber player. It is what it is. I am a Pitt graduate and was there when Dejuan Blair and Sam Young were dominate college players...that doesn't mean I thought either was a quality NBA player.

Our end of our bench is being used to appease agents and nepotism...it has been for a minute.

I'm not offended. I said cut them all. Still waiting for u to say how many wins that will get us. Apparently you want disgruntled bad attitude guys for the end of the bench. To each his own.

Nah, you could have better guys, like Jeff Green is putting up better stats right now than DDV and fills a need as a backup 4. The Suns filled out their bench with vet min guys that are playing real minutes.

Sure, we could have better guys. Hell, we could have had Brooks, Barnes, Srus, Oubre, Martin, Warren, Wattanabe ... the list goes on. But they cost $$$$$, something some posters have yet to grasp.

[RHODEY]

Interesting you bring up that Clipper team. They seem a pretty good comp to our current Knicks.

Their best player was a top point guard (Paul vs. Brunson), they had a pretty good all-star forward (Blake Griffin vs Randle), a pretty good “garbageman center” (DeAndre Jordan vs. Mitch), another good player (Billups vs. RJ) and a decent bench/starter Villanovan (Foye vs. Hart). Also a WHO? guy (Who? vs. Grimes).

They got close but never could make that final leap. (but like with Brunson, DeAndre pissed off Mark Cuban on almost signing again)

But still that Clips team was better than their current All Star NAMES team. So be careful what u wish for – adding a NAME or two isn’t always the answer. Toronto Kawhi was/is not Clippers Kawhi. And for that matter wasn’t Spurs Kawhi either .
But sure would be nice to have a two-way center even if he were slightly (not majorly) less impactful on D.

But that probably also goes nowhere without a new Coach. I’m still happy about playoffs after a 2 decade drought.

On the surface we might be similar to that Clippers team, but we have an RJ.... and Mitch IMO is way more impactful defensively than Jordan, while receiving way less lob opportunities.

[mpharris36]

I'm not offended. I said cut them all. Still waiting for u to say how many wins that will get us. Apparently you want disgruntled bad attitude guys for the end of the bench. To each his own.

Nah, you could have better guys, like Jeff Green is putting up better stats right now than DDV and fills a need as a backup 4. The Suns filled out their bench with vet min guys that are playing real minutes.

Sure, we could have better guys. Hell, we could have had Brooks, Barnes, Srus, Oubre, Martin, Warren, Wattanabe ... the list goes on. But they cost $$$$$, something some posters have yet to grasp.

come on there are better league minimum guys...I literally just gave you a few exibit 10 contract guys (camp deals) that we could have gave a shot that are way better then our trash at the end of the bench.

[8516knicks]

Nah, you could have better guys, like Jeff Green is putting up better stats right now than DDV and fills a need as a backup 4. The Suns filled out their bench with vet min guys that are playing real minutes.

Sure, we could have better guys. Hell, we could have had Brooks, Barnes, Srus, Oubre, Martin, Warren, Wattanabe ... the list goes on. But they cost $$$$$, something some posters have yet to grasp.

come on there are better league minimum guys...I literally just gave you a few exibit 10 contract guys (camp deals) that we could have gave a shot that are way better then our trash at the end of the bench.

And what's you theory on why we didn't go after them?

[mpharris36]

Sure, we could have better guys. Hell, we could have had Brooks, Barnes, Srus, Oubre, Martin, Warren, Wattanabe ... the list goes on. But they cost $$$$$, something some posters have yet to grasp.

come on there are better league minimum guys...I literally just gave you a few exibit 10 contract guys (camp deals) that we could have gave a shot that are way better then our trash at the end of the bench.

And what's you theory on why we didn't go after them?

I have said it multiple times already Leon is big on doing agents favors and there is a hint of nepotism because I don't think he values the end of the roster which is fine when the team is healthy...but when it isn't it becomes more of an issue.

[G_K_F]

They're probably not cutting Archipelago but we have a few guys that could be cut and nobody would bat an eye. Who to cut is not the limiting factor in bringing in a backup 4.

as long as we agree that a lot of our end of the bench is agent favors and nepotism because we could have done a lot better filling out the end of the bench in case of injuries...

Outside of McBride/Fournier/Sims maybe...there there is like 5-6 guys I would never trust in a spot to give you quality NBA minutes. And right now all it takes is for RJ/Hart/Randle to to get hurt for one of them to be playing close to 48 minutes a night which Hart just did yesterday.

The Knicks are 10 deep at best.

Everyone else is a G leaguer.

[8516knicks]

come on there are better league minimum guys...I literally just gave you a few exibit 10 contract guys (camp deals) that we could have gave a shot that are way better then our trash at the end of the bench.

And what's you theory on why we didn't go after them?

I have said it multiple times already Leon is big on doing agents favors and there is a hint of nepotism because I don't think he values the end of the roster which is fine when the team is healthy...but when it isn't it becomes more of an issue.

So you think it costs us, what, 10 wins a year? 5? 3? ONE??? How costly is this to us? You haven't said that multiple times. In fact you have not said it even once.

[mpharris36]

They're probably not cutting Archipelago but we have a few guys that could be cut and nobody would bat an eye. Who to cut is not the limiting factor in bringing in a backup 4.

as long as we agree that a lot of our end of the bench is agent favors and nepotism because we could have done a lot better filling out the end of the bench in case of injuries...

Outside of McBride/Fournier/Sims maybe...there there is like 5-6 guys I would never trust in a spot to give you quality NBA minutes. And right now all it takes is for RJ/Hart/Randle to to get hurt for one of them to be playing close to 48 minutes a night which Hart just did yesterday.

The Knicks are 10 deep at best.

Everyone else is a G leaguer.

basically...like I said out of the current guys not in the rotation. Duece, Fournier, and Sims probably are the only 3 that can even attempt to give you quality NBA minutes.

The rest of that roster is TRASH!