Official Scottie Barnes Thread - Part 6

[HumbleRen]

Scottie is not better than Sabonis.

I love Maxey too but he’s not better than Kawhi either but I understand for health reasons.

Crazy how deep the league is now looking at that list.

I feel like we've yet to see Scottie's full impact because the roster is just built so badly around him. Scottie can absolutely leapfrog Sabonis and quite soon.

I agree with this sentiment too, I just can't in good faith put him above Sabonis right now until I see it a full season.

[LoveMyRaps]

First 10 game segment:

36.1 MIN, 20.1 PPG, 9.7 REB, 5.6 AST, 1.8 STL, 1.8 BLK, .463 FG, .340 3PT, .756 FT, .552 TS, 24.5 USG

Absolute stud.
Even after a couple of nightmare games, he put up All-Star numbers. Heck, those are All-NBA when you consider the SPG + BPG.

Oh and also, he leads the NBA in Steals + Blocks - just ahead of Wemby.

[Psubs]

Scottie is not better than Sabonis.

I love Maxey too but he’s not better than Kawhi either but I understand for health reasons.

Crazy how deep the league is now looking at that list.

I feel like we've yet to see Scottie's full impact because the roster is just built so badly around him. Scottie can absolutely leapfrog Sabonis and quite soon.

Agreed. Sengun / Sabonis comp is a good one with possibly Sengun being Domantas plus even better passing.

If you're talking about Arvidas Sabonis then that is an interesting comp. Arvidas is bigger so cancels out the extra long-arms of Scottie. I guess prime international Arvidas Sabonis would be a nice ceiling for Scottie.

[HumbleRen]

Scottie is not better than Sabonis.

I love Maxey too but he’s not better than Kawhi either but I understand for health reasons.

Crazy how deep the league is now looking at that list.

I feel like we've yet to see Scottie's full impact because the roster is just built so badly around him. Scottie can absolutely leapfrog Sabonis and quite soon.

Agreed. Sengun / Sabonis comp is a good one with possibly Sengun being Domantas plus even better passing.

If you're talking about Arvidas Sabonis then that is an interesting comp. Arvidas is bigger so cancels out the extra long-arms of Scottie. I guess prime international Arvidas Sabonis would be a nice ceiling for Scottie.

I wish Scottie had the stamina and durability to be able to play small ball 5 like Sengun can but I understand how taxing it is.

This version of Scottie with that 2021-2022 line up is a scary player.

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Right now, Scottie is second in the league in Stocks (SPG+BPG):

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/steals-plus-blocks

He’s right there with unicorns such as The Brow, Wemby and Holmgren.

He’s also 7th in RPG+APG:

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/rebounds-plus-assist

He’s having an incredible all-around season thus far.

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those 2nd quarter lineups are catastrophes.

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I dont get the infatuation with JJJ, real good player, and even though his foul rate is coming down, still a huge issue.

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And he still leads the team in BPM by a MASSIVE margin. 6.6 vs 2 (OG).

I've been pointing to this for a while when so many people try and claim he's "worse" without Siakam on the court. I mean **** yeah, he's being asked to lead lineups of Flynn/Boucher/Mcdaniels/Precious/Dick. MJ himself couldn't make that garbage work lol.

Just checked, he's also tied for first in the NBA with gobert for DWS. Please get this kid some help.

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[Duffman100]

Playing him with those bench units is just... tough. Boucher and Precious with Flynn and McDaniels. Prime Lebron would struggle to remain a net positive with those ones.

[Vampirate]

In the end we need Siakam traded and to build around Barnes.

Even if Barnes isn't the answer we think it is, it'll lead to losses and better lottery odds meaning better chances of drafting that player that we need to build around.

[Truthrising]

In the end we need Siakam traded and to build around Barnes.

Even if Barnes isn't the answer we think it is, it'll lead to losses and better lottery odds meaning better chances of drafting that player that we need to build around.

Agreed, I’m hoping we get rid of Pascal and at least Poeltl by the end of the season and build around Scottie properly.

[HumbleRen]

Playing him with those bench units is just... tough. Boucher and Precious with Flynn and McDaniels. Prime Lebron would struggle to remain a net positive with those ones.

I think Siakam and Scottie should switch places. Siakam is just a way better creator in the half court compared to Scottie at the moment.

Run some 2 man plays between GTJ/Siakam.

[Dr Positivity]

Barnes all around game is great but his scoring is still a work in the progress for the time being

[Tripod]

To me, when everyone is healthy, they need to try and keep 3 of the top 6(starters+Gary) guys on the court at the same time. And the 4 guys subbing in, should never be Achiuwa and Boucher at the same time. Split them.

[tdotrep2]

Playing him with those bench units is just... tough. Boucher and Precious with Flynn and McDaniels. Prime Lebron would struggle to remain a net positive with those ones.

He needs another starter, I actually wouldn't mind pulling Jak early and then bringing him and scottie on with the bench. We've also seen the bench unit have success with scottie + OG.

[HiJiNX]

He definitely has his flaws but his floor is just so much higher than Scottie’s right now. As it should be, one is 22 and the other is in his prime.

I’m not sure how you can arrive at this, that Sabonis’ floor is higher than Scottie’s, especially given Scottie’s play this year. His ceiling has been amazing and his floor has been poor scoring but impact everywhere else.

Sabonis has always been overrated. He’s a big bully who shrinks against anybody who isn’t put off by his penchant of recklessly throwing his body around under the rim. He’s also a poor defender. Great passer, though and can catch and finish. But is rendered to be merely pretty good when he’s not able to outmuscle his opponent.

Because Sabonis has been historically better than Scottie ? I’m not using a 10 game sample to declare Scottie’s floor is better than Sabonis’s. That’s insanity.

If Scottie can become a 20/9/5 guy all season then sure, we can revisit this.

Sample size, schmample size lol.

Scottie currently has a better VORP than Sabonis this season, comparable ws/48 (basically equal, .171 to .168 in Sabonis’ favour), and Barnes has a much higher BPM.

Plus you can just use your eyes my guy.

But we can revisit in the summer. Shrug.

[MoMan24]

Playing him with those bench units is just... tough. Boucher and Precious with Flynn and McDaniels. Prime Lebron would struggle to remain a net positive with those ones.

I think Siakam and Scottie should switch places. Siakam is just a way better creator in the half court compared to Scottie at the moment.

Run some 2 man plays between GTJ/Siakam.

No he is not. Lets not even mention open court creator cause they are on different planets there. Pascal would crash and burn if put on the court with Precious, Boucher, Flynn and McDaniels. Even Dick wouldn't help much. It's a lineup that basically can't be saved but Darko knows Barnes is the best natural playmaker, that is why he plays him with the bench or else he would have used Siakam. Same way Lowry was always with the bench and not Demar. It's so obvious. I truly feel bad for Scottie that he is tasked with the impossible.

[HumbleRen]

Playing him with those bench units is just... tough. Boucher and Precious with Flynn and McDaniels. Prime Lebron would struggle to remain a net positive with those ones.

I think Siakam and Scottie should switch places. Siakam is just a way better creator in the half court compared to Scottie at the moment.

Run some 2 man plays between GTJ/Siakam.

No he is not. Lets not even mention open court creator cause they are on different planets there. Pascal would crash and burn if put on the court with Precious, Boucher, Flynn and McDaniels. Even Dick wouldn't help much. It's a lineup that basically can't be saved but Darko knows Barnes is the best natural playmaker, that is why he plays him with the bench or else he would have used Siakam. Same way Lowry was always with the bench and Lowry. It's so obvious. I truly feel bad for Scottie that he is tasked with the impossible.

We can respectfully disagree lol. We don’t need a natural playmaker with the bench. We need an offence creator.

Scottie deferring to Flynn, Boucher and Precious is just asking for the bench to lose every single minute that they’re on the court.