Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Caruso would have a very high impact on this team, would love to get him here. We’d still need a follow up move using Lowrys contract though, Caruso doesn’t fill our biggest need and he’s not the level of scorer we need.

Get Caruso, flip Lowry Jovic and a 1st for DFS and Dinwiddie or something. Those moves combined move the needle a lot.

Dinwiddie/Caruso
Herro/Jrich
Jimmy/JJJ
DFS/Highsmith
Bam/Love

We may need to come off one more guy to free room for Duncan or include Duncan in the trade. OR we get creative and use DFS at center behind Bam as the Nets have been doing and remove Love from the rotation to free room for Duncan.

I’m not getting my hopes up though.

[IceColdCubano]

Caruso would have a very high impact on this team, would love to get him here. We’d still need a follow up move using Lowrys contract though, Caruso doesn’t fill our biggest need and he’s not the level of scorer we need.

Get Caruso, flip Lowry Jovic and a 1st for DFS and Dinwiddie or something. Those moves combined move the needle a lot.

Dinwiddie/Caruso
Herro/Jrich
Jimmy/JJJ
DFS/Highsmith
Bam/Love

We may need to come off one more guy to free room for Duncan or include Duncan in the trade. OR we get creative and use DFS at center behind Bam as the Nets have been doing and remove Love from the rotation to free room for Duncan.

I’m not getting my hopes up though.

This would be amazing if they pulled this off, however I just don't see us doing it. Knowing this Org, if they are winning or playing to par a couple games above .500 ball they will ride the wave. They don't make knee jerk reactions and sometimes those reactions are necessary, unfortunately Pat is king of "if it aint broke don't fix it" mentality.

[al bondiga]

Someday , not many years for now, we are going the zion Williamson route

He's gonna get a contract in Miami for many years, ten-fifteen million dollars Per year...jeje... Laugh now but remember...

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Caruso would have a very high impact on this team, would love to get him here. We’d still need a follow up move using Lowrys contract though, Caruso doesn’t fill our biggest need and he’s not the level of scorer we need.

Get Caruso, flip Lowry Jovic and a 1st for DFS and Dinwiddie or something. Those moves combined move the needle a lot.

Dinwiddie/Caruso
Herro/Jrich
Jimmy/JJJ
DFS/Highsmith
Bam/Love

We may need to come off one more guy to free room for Duncan or include Duncan in the trade. OR we get creative and use DFS at center behind Bam as the Nets have been doing and remove Love from the rotation to free room for Duncan.

I’m not getting my hopes up though.

This would be amazing if they pulled this off, however I just don't see us doing it. Knowing this Org, if they are winning or playing to par a couple games above .500 ball they will ride the wave. They don't make knee jerk reactions and sometimes those reactions are necessary, unfortunately Pat is king of "if it aint broke don't fix it" mentality.

They likely ride it out regardless, we sucked last year and did nothing. If we’re good this year they’ll just say they like what we have

[IceColdCubano]

I want to know who he worked out with in the off-season.

Its not a single offseason off work, you could tell he started to implement these things like 2 years ago, and we were laughing because it looked really bad when he first did them, I remember the fanbase screaming just shoot threes and stop driving to the basket. Repetition, and last years playoffs proved that that he is getting better at it.

I'm guessing this is why Bam is still shy to let the 3s fly. Developing new skills takes much more work and time than I initially thought. It was probably there for Duncan, but not at a polished NBA professional level.

I was one of the goofs saying he should stick to shooting 3s. Clearly he and the staff know what they're doing.

I mean, look at Bam. He's glorious. I didn't see this coming when we drafted him. But it took YEARS.

I just want to reference something. We never thought Bam would never achieve this type of level on the offensive side, we always knew he had really high ceiling on the defensive side of the game.

The type of offensive efficiency and scoring he is heading into is all time greats for big man.
Kevin Garnetts best statistical season 1999-2000 in Mini:
22.9pts 11.8rbs 5ast while playing 40 minutes a game.

Tim Duncans best statistical season 2001-2002 in San Antonio:
25.5pts 12.7rbs 3.7ast while playing 40.6 minutes a game.

Paul Gasol best statistical season 2006-2007 in Memphis:
20.8pts 9.8rbs 3.4ast while playing 36.2 minutes a game.

Those guys had similar games in regards that they were noted for being good to great on defense in their prime and even in their later years, had great mid range game early on and then grew into a serviceable 3pt shot. Averaged 50%FG at the rim and Had amazing court awareness, and great passing instincts with a very good back to the basket game along with footwork. Also had the advantage of being 7ft on the court.

Bam at 6'-9" this year on the Miami Heat:
23.3pts 10.4rbs 3.8ast while playing 34 minutes a game at only 25 years old, if he continues his uptick in stats and improvements what will he look like 2-3 years from now entering his 28-29 year old peak prime.

Bams footwork is just starting to come together and looking better, his reaction to the game on the scoring side, and his jumper keeps evolving.

[IceColdCubano]

Caruso would have a very high impact on this team, would love to get him here. We’d still need a follow up move using Lowrys contract though, Caruso doesn’t fill our biggest need and he’s not the level of scorer we need.

Get Caruso, flip Lowry Jovic and a 1st for DFS and Dinwiddie or something. Those moves combined move the needle a lot.

Dinwiddie/Caruso
Herro/Jrich
Jimmy/JJJ
DFS/Highsmith
Bam/Love

We may need to come off one more guy to free room for Duncan or include Duncan in the trade. OR we get creative and use DFS at center behind Bam as the Nets have been doing and remove Love from the rotation to free room for Duncan.

I’m not getting my hopes up though.

This would be amazing if they pulled this off, however I just don't see us doing it. Knowing this Org, if they are winning or playing to par a couple games above .500 ball they will ride the wave. They don't make knee jerk reactions and sometimes those reactions are necessary, unfortunately Pat is king of "if it aint broke don't fix it" mentality.

They likely ride it out regardless, we sucked last year and did nothing. If we’re good this year they’ll just say they like what we have

Damned if you do, Dammed if you don't. We sucked so bad last year, they probable didn't think anything we did would have helped, so they just let it be, then we had that crazy playoff run. This year if were playing good the hope is perhaps they finally try and bolster something to go for it one last time with this group. I really think this is the last run for this group. Bam isn't going anywhere, and Jimmy if he performs to par once again in the playoffs looking dominant would also remain, but the other guys, I believe there would be an overhaul for sure.

[gom]

I just want to reference something. We never thought Bam would never achieve this type of level on the offensive side, we always knew he had really high ceiling on the defensive side of the game.

Is that a royal We? Because it wasn't all of us.

[IceColdCubano]

I just want to reference something. We never thought Bam would never achieve this type of level on the offensive side, we always knew he had really high ceiling on the defensive side of the game.

Is that a royal We? Because it wasn't all of us.

I think when I hear someone use the word We in a room with less than 3 people it must be a consensus everyone is in agreement or of the same thought. If I use the term "We" on a message board I think its probable indicative of the great majority if you have 30-50 posters. Perhaps the correct phrasing should have been most of us, but I think that's known. Bammy has been uber Bam wagoneer from day one so presence excluded along with a couple others.

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[dshearn]

Robinson looks like a prime Gordan Hayward out there lol wtf is going on? Since when did he have this type of body control/touch on drives? The playmaking as well......

I want to know who he worked out with in the off-season.

some guy out on San Fransico.... what I heard is he stayed with Barry Bonds....

[dshearn]

Robinson looks like a prime Gordan Hayward out there lol wtf is going on? Since when did he have this type of body control/touch on drives? The playmaking as well......

I want to know who he worked out with in the off-season.

Its not a single offseason off work, you could tell he started to implement these things like 2 years ago, and we were laughing because it looked really bad when he first did them, I remember the fanbase screaming just shoot threes and stop driving to the basket. Repetition, and last years playoffs proved that that he is getting better at it.

Duncan has always had a little something....not a first step...more like a good third step. He had a little something after he got moving he could cover some ground quickly.

My completely uneducated guess..make that Completely with a capital C.... is they intended to have Martin do a lot of cutting this year, since he is gone they plugged Duncan into role and he is killing it. I only say that due to the similarity of what Martin was doing last year.

[contract]

This would be amazing if they pulled this off, however I just don't see us doing it. Knowing this Org, if they are winning or playing to par a couple games above .500 ball they will ride the wave. They don't make knee jerk reactions and sometimes those reactions are necessary, unfortunately Pat is king of "if it aint broke don't fix it" mentality.

They likely ride it out regardless, we sucked last year and did nothing. If we’re good this year they’ll just say they like what we have

Damned if you do, Dammed if you don't. We sucked so bad last year, they probable didn't think anything we did would have helped, so they just let it be, then we had that crazy playoff run. This year if were playing good the hope is perhaps they finally try and bolster something to go for it one last time with this group. I really think this is the last run for this group. Bam isn't going anywhere, and Jimmy if he performs to par once again in the playoffs looking dominant would also remain, but the other guys, I believe there would be an overhaul for sure.

We were 32-27 at the all star break last season. Not great but hardly sucking. I assume Pat didn't make a move because there were no deals to be made that he liked.

[contract]

I just want to reference something. We never thought Bam would never achieve this type of level on the offensive side, we always knew he had really high ceiling on the defensive side of the game.

Is that a royal We? Because it wasn't all of us.

[Daffy]

Of all the stars to hit the market or request trades Lavine was always the one I never cared for.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lavine Caruso and Torrey Craig for Lowry Duncan Martin Jovic and picks would be awesome

Herro/Caruso
Lavine/Caruso/Jrich
Jimmy/JJJ/Jrich
Highsmith/Craig
Bam/Love

[Voltron914]

Damn boi yall are ruthless. Yall expecting these guys to be plug and play.

Right, I do remember a time where Miami added LeBron and Bosh and it took them a while to figure it out. I think those 3 started out somewhere around 9-8?

Yep just pointed this same thing out in the around the nba thread. A lot of knee jerk reactions on 5 game sample sizes for guys like Harden Dame and Beal, it takes time.

Dame for example, if he were here he would be running the entire show offensively basically. We would be spamming 2 man actions with him and Bam while Jimmy is slashing like Wade used to and spotting up as he’s clearly worked on his 3. We would at minimum have like 2 more wins and Dame would be in the MVP race.

Like you said too, you can’t make judgements on guys 5 games in and you also can’t compare what guys are doing with a certain coach and make assumptions Spo wouldn’t make them better.

Honestly think Dame is depressed, he does not look happy at all in Milwaukee. I think it’s several things, he saw his years of loyalty meant literally nothing to the Blazers as they wouldn’t listen to his requests. Then the Blazers were about to send him to Toronto so he panicked and accepted a deal to the Bucks when he was adamant on only wanting Miami. He’s not being used right in Milwaukee and he’s more of a decoy.

On top of all this he’s also going through a divorce, these guys are human too.

Agree with this. Dame isnt a KD, Lebron, or even Kawhi type superstar that comes in alone and changes the dynamics of a team. He wouldve fit perfectly for us because of the Defense around him would be enough to hide like we do with Duncan and Herro. He is not a seamless fit for the bucks even tho they didnt give up what we wouldve had to but its not our problem anymore. Giannis locked in and if they dont figure it out before that 60m hit maybe we will get him after a buyout

[IceColdCubano]

They likely ride it out regardless, we sucked last year and did nothing. If we’re good this year they’ll just say they like what we have

Damned if you do, Dammed if you don't. We sucked so bad last year, they probable didn't think anything we did would have helped, so they just let it be, then we had that crazy playoff run. This year if were playing good the hope is perhaps they finally try and bolster something to go for it one last time with this group. I really think this is the last run for this group. Bam isn't going anywhere, and Jimmy if he performs to par once again in the playoffs looking dominant would also remain, but the other guys, I believe there would be an overhaul for sure.

We were 32-27 at the all star break last season. Not great but hardly sucking. I assume Pat didn't make a move because there were no deals to be made that he liked.

Yeah the record there is a bit misleading, it took us 10 games this year to be 2 games over .500.

However last year it wasn't until middle of January that we were 2 games over .500 so just looking at where we were by then is a bit misleading. We sucked for 3 straight months and didn't start threading water until closer to the trade deadline that should say a lot to our outlook. Miami's record at the end of December of 2022 was 17-18. we couldn't get out of .500 ball if our life depended on it, and this forum was all about the tank....yall forget too quickly how horrid last year was for this team.

[Wiltside]

Of all the stars to hit the market or request trades Lavine was always the one I never cared for.

Yeah, meh. Do not want for what they'd want.

[twix2500]

Lavine Caruso and Torrey Craig for Lowry Duncan Martin Jovic and picks would be awesome

Herro/Caruso
Lavine/Caruso/Jrich
Jimmy/JJJ/Jrich
Highsmith/Craig
Bam/Love

That team would average 30 TOs a game.

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[Johnny Fontane]

Of all the stars to hit the market or request trades Lavine was always the one I never cared for.

Agreed that’s a easy pass. I’d be more inclined to go after Derozan