Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0

[MiamiSun]

Highsmith had 5 steals last night. Amazing hands.

[twix2500]

This should be the ideal goal for Bam. Years ago I said Bam potential was a mixture of Webber, Kemp and Howard. Webber offensive numbers and how he is utilized should be Bams ultimate form.



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[mg]

With the emergence of JJJ and Highsmith I wonder how many minutes will be available for Caleb? It's good to have as many wings as possible, but he's also in a contract year so you know he will want the minutes to further showcase himself.

[BBallFreak]

With the emergence of JJJ and Highsmith I wonder how many minutes will be available for Caleb? It's good to have as many wings as possible, but he's also in a contract year so you know he will want the minutes to further showcase himself.

I was thinking that, myself. When he comes back WE ARE DEEP! And when Tyler comes back, who sits?

If Bam, Butler, Herro, Lowry, and Highsmith start (they should) that means we'll have Martin, Richardson, Jaquez, Robinson, and Love all absolutely worthy of minutes off of the bench, with Dru Smith and Thomas Bryant knocking at the door, themselves. Not sure how we manage that. It may have to be a night to night thing, based on matchups. More likely, we go ten deep. It's going to be an interesting lineup, that's for sure.

[Bishop45]

Not big on Lavine, but that’d be coo’ too

[IceColdCubano]

With the emergence of JJJ and Highsmith I wonder how many minutes will be available for Caleb? It's good to have as many wings as possible, but he's also in a contract year so you know he will want the minutes to further showcase himself.

Ok I will take the bait, lets take a crack at figuring this out together.

We got to look at this from Pre Herro Injury and Post Herro Injury, because at some point he is coming back.

So Pre Herro injury our rotations was:
Lowry, Herro, Butler, (Insert wing available everyone seemed to be hurt, either JJJ, Highsmith, Caleb, Duncan) Bam.
with a bench of Robinson, Bryant or Love, Richardson, JJJ that was our 9 man rotation.

Coaching settled finally making Highsmith our official PF starter in the Lakers game.
So our real Pre Herro lineups moving forward were to be.
Lowry, Herro, Butler, Highsmith, Bam
Robinson, Richardson, JJJ, Bryant/Love (they settled on Love being our official back up 5 after the lakers game.)

Rotations are now officially:
Lowry, Herro, Butler, Highsmith, Bam
Robinson 6th man shooting guard/wing, Richardson back up PG, JJJ backup wing, Love backup center.

Herro's Injury has forced Duncan, to become our starting SG.
Lowry, Duncan, Butler, Highsmith, Bam
JJJ 6th man shooting guard wing, Richardson back up PG/SG combo, Love back up center, very low situational minutes for Dru & Bryant. In this iteration of lineups JJJ & Richardson are playing starter minutes from the bench, covering 4 positions as the team is staggered. In this situation when Caleb comes back, both JJJ & Rich would get their minutes cut a bit, instead of playing 34 minutes each they would play like 20 Minutes for Josh, and 25 Minutes for JJJ. Plus completely cut Bryant's need for seeing the floor giving you another 3 minutes, therefor Caleb can get about 25 minutes playing anywhere from 2/3/4 as needed. If you remove the need for Dru to see the floor Thats another 3 minutes you can tally into Josh Richardson's time as well.

The problem here is when Herro comes back, there is nothing outside of cutting either Duncan's & JJJ minutes considerably to get Caleb back in the rotation, relegating JJJ to a 5-10 minute situational guy. Or Miami with this resurgence does the right thing and trades Caleb Martin for a backup PG of need. Also Jimmy will take games off here and there, so there will be minutes available to go around sporadically for wings, having depth is not such a bad thing for a long season. Look at the fact that on a day were both Herro and Jimmy our out, we still have enough wings to fill in a serviceable team to a degree.

Just based on hierarchy I say JJJ gets his minutes reduced, when Caleb is 100%. I expect Caleb to be on minutes restrictions for 2-3 weeks getting ramped up as he gets his legs back.

[mg]

Good responses to the Caleb question.

I was definitely looking 3-4 weeks down the road after Herro is back and Caleb is ramped back up to full health. I mean it's a really good problem to have with extra serviceable wings on the roster but it might get to the point where someone is a little unhappy with their minutes. If JJJ keeps playing this way I really don't want to cut his minutes unless he hits some kind of rookie wall. As an older rook hoping that doesn't happen in his case.

[Hoops3355]

I hate the idea of moving Caleb but there's just no way we're gonna bring him back vs getting access to the MLE. The Bulls blowing it up should give us some opportunities.

Agree with you ICC. Cody White might be a nice piece if he becomes available I wonder if we'd be able to clean up his 3p a bit. He's who'd I'd be after if we actually move Martin but it's definitely not a like for like swap so that complicates things.

[iamoti]

I'm not really worried about the regular season because rarely we have everyone at full health and Lowry/Butler/Love will have load management. The problem is who will be dropped in the playoffs. A Lowry/Caleb/Pick for a good PG makes so much sense especially with the emergence of Highsmith and JJJ

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[AirP.]

I hate the idea of moving Caleb but there's just no way we're gonna bring him back vs getting access to the MLE. The Bulls blowing it up should give us some opportunities.

Agree with you ICC. Cody White might be a nice piece if he becomes available I wonder if we'd be able to clean up his 3p a bit. He's who'd I'd be after if we actually move Martin but it's definitely not a like for like swap so that complicates things.

Miami needs... sorry, have to find a way to turn Caleb Martin into a useful player at a position of need or do a consolidation trade to upgrade a position. Not only do you have Jaquez Jr on a rookie contract for the next 4 years, you have Jamal Cain on a 2-way contract ready to contribute now and in the future but there's too many bodies in front of him now. If everyone needs wings then it should be easy to move Caleb for someone who can help now and hopefully on a multi-year contract that is cheap/affordable.

Here's what Cain is doing in the G-League.

Read on Twitter

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lowry Martin Duncan if needed Jovic and a pick(s) “should” fetch you enough to really fill out this rotation and answer our needs

[Daffy]

Lowry Martin Duncan if needed Jovic and a pick(s) “should” fetch you enough to really fill out this rotation and answer our needs

I agree but who are you thinking of?

[IceColdCubano]

I hate the idea of moving Caleb but there's just no way we're gonna bring him back vs getting access to the MLE. The Bulls blowing it up should give us some opportunities.

Agree with you ICC. Cody White might be a nice piece if he becomes available I wonder if we'd be able to clean up his 3p a bit. He's who'd I'd be after if we actually move Martin but it's definitely not a like for like swap so that complicates things.

Miami needs... sorry, have to find a way to turn Caleb Martin into a useful player at a position of need or do a consolidation trade to upgrade a position. Not only do you have Jaquez Jr on a rookie contract for the next 4 years, you have Jamal Cain on a 2-way contract ready to contribute now and in the future but there's too many bodies in front of him now. If everyone needs wings then it should be easy to move Caleb for someone who can help now and hopefully on a multi-year contract that is cheap/affordable.

Here's what Cain is doing in the G-League.

Read on Twitter

Its pretty crazy how Miami has been able to continue to run a mill of constant wings just going through our program, its as if those guys are going to always be a steady diet here in this org over the course of builds. The problem has always been the PG & Center position, in this build iteration we have our Center in Bam, the problem is two tier, a true starting point guard that can actually score and put pressure on the other team, along with a serviceable back up PG that can just keep afloat the second unit ( Dru could turn into that just not this year ). additionally we also have at the moment a stop gap at the back up center position, sure we have Love/Bryant whom are interchangeable but their not giving us net positive play yet, at least Love is just breaking even with Bryant being a negative impact player so far even if it looks better than what we had previously in Deadmon/Zeller.

Miami's best move is to target:
Either A. Target a big time starting level PG with Lowry/Caleb + Picks keeping Dru as our starting guard.
Either B. Target a young up and coming athletic scoring PG that has upside one relegated behind a 2 other great PG's in the other teams depth chart with Caleb and or Jovic + Picks. To bring off the bench behind Lowry, let Lowry expire this year and use the Full MLE to go after a vet PG, hopefully promote the guy we got in the midseason trade to our starter when Lowry leaves.

[BBallFreak]

Lowry Martin Duncan if needed Jovic and a pick(s) “should” fetch you enough to really fill out this rotation and answer our needs

I'm not in favor of trading Duncan Robinson. We're going to have to pay a team to take him and that's not how we want to spend our assets. I would also prefer to keep Lowry just for the simple fact that he expires and we need that flexibility, salary-wise. I would be looking to see what Martin, and Martin alone, can return in terms of a point guard. That might be a tall order but it's the logical, responsible choice.

Obviously that's barring a big trade that sees us landing an all-star.

[wade44]

I’d rather trade Herro than Duncan at this point. All of a sudden his mere 18 million a year is a drop in the hat compared to what some of these guys are getting paid nowadays. He is actually becoming valuable with the growth he has shown this season. As far as Herro we have shown the ability to win without him which makes him expendable.

[IceColdCubano]

I’d rather trade Herro than Duncan at this point. All of a sudden his mere 18 million a year is a drop in the hat compared to what some of these guys are getting paid nowadays. He is actually becoming valuable with the growth he has shown this season. As far as Herro we have shown the ability to win without him which makes him expendable.

Heres the thing, getting hurt doesn't help however if he comes back and continues on the same direction and improvement in scoring he will be more valuable at the trade deadline. A shooting guard, that is only a motion shooter that can play hardcore defense would be a godsend for this team. We really don't need to get back a star type score who puts up 30+ just getting that guy in a Ray Allen build that can pop off for 5-8 a night and be a plus defender is exactly what Miami needs, an offball threat on offense to let Bam & Jimmy cook from the elbow to the rim.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Lowry Martin Duncan if needed Jovic and a pick(s) “should” fetch you enough to really fill out this rotation and answer our needs

I'm not in favor of trading Duncan Robinson. We're going to have to pay a team to take him and that's not how we want to spend our assets. I would also prefer to keep Lowry just for the simple fact that he expires and we need that flexibility, salary-wise. I would be looking to see what Martin, and Martin alone, can return in terms of a point guard. That might be a tall order but it's the logical, responsible choice.

Obviously that's barring a big trade that sees us landing an all-star.

Martin only makes 6.5 million. His contract alone will not fetch much. Lowry and Duncan’s contract are the only ones that can get something of substance done.

[wade44]

I’d rather trade Herro than Duncan at this point. All of a sudden his mere 18 million a year is a drop in the hat compared to what some of these guys are getting paid nowadays. He is actually becoming valuable with the growth he has shown this season. As far as Herro we have shown the ability to win without him which makes him expendable.

Heres the thing, getting hurt doesn't help however if he comes back and continues on the same direction and improvement in scoring he will be more valuable at the trade deadline. A shooting guard, that is only a motion shooter that can play hardcore defense would be a godsend for this team. We really don't need to get back a star type score who puts up 30+ just getting that guy in a Ray Allen build that can pop off for 5-8 a night and be a plus defender is exactly what Miami needs, an offball threat on offense to let Bam & Jimmy cook from the elbow to the rim.

Yep agreed

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lowry Martin Duncan if needed Jovic and a pick(s) “should” fetch you enough to really fill out this rotation and answer our needs

I agree but who are you thinking of?

Not saying we get all from one team in a trade but guys that interest me off the top of my head:

Nets: Dinwiddie DFS Royce

Bulls: Lavine Caruso Craig Carter even Vucevic

Hornets: Terry, PJW

Wizards: Wright (don’t think they’d send Jones) Kuzma

Pistons: Bojan Burks Morris

Call me crazy but Brogdon and grant from the Blazers would be huge for this team. I know their contracts are ugly

[Hoops3355]

Lowry Martin Duncan if needed Jovic and a pick(s) “should” fetch you enough to really fill out this rotation and answer our needs

I agree but who are you thinking of?

Not saying we get all from one team in a trade but guys that interest me off the top of my head:

Bulls: Lavine Caruso Craig Carter even Vucevic

Call me crazy but Brogdon and grant from the Blazers would be huge for this team. I know their contracts are ugly

Cody White and Vucevic are interesting. I just don't think Miami is interested in contracts beyond 2026. Which leads me to believe were not gonna actually move Lowry unless it's another Dame situation.