Wembanyama. I'm concerned

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Re: Wembenyama. I'm concerned 

Post#41 » by Miami_Lux » Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:28 pm

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JustBuzzin wrote:You guys over hyped Wemby.

He's not a generational player. LeBron was generational. Shaq was generational.


Look at those guys in their rookie season they dominated from jump. Wemby is more of a project if surrounded by talent he could be special.


Agreed. Wemby obviously has all the talent and physical tools but I just don t see superstar. Part of his initilal appeal was that he is Kevin Durant but 7 4 insted of 6 10. But Wemby can t shoot which severely limits his upside. Now you might say Giannis can t shoot and he is dominating the league. But Giannis is 6 11 and part of the reason he is so dominant is because he bulked up. Wemby can t bulk up, he is too tall and added weight will significantly increase his risk of injury.


He's literally shooting better than Durant did as a rookie. That didn't seem to limit KD's upside.


I don t see much sense in comparing Wemby's stats to Durant's rookie season in 07/08 when the pace was much slower and the 3 point shot was much less of a factor that it is today
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Re: Wembenyama. I'm concerned 

Post#42 » by JDR720 » Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:30 pm

KD was one of the best scorers in college history. He and Wemby don't have much in common outside of physical traits.
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Re: Wembenyama. I'm concerned 

Post#43 » by Miami_Lux » Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:30 pm

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JustBuzzin wrote:You guys over hyped Wemby.

He's not a generational player. LeBron was generational. Shaq was generational.


Look at those guys in their rookie season they dominated from jump. Wemby is more of a project if surrounded by talent he could be special.


Agreed. Wemby obviously has all the talent and physical tools but I just don t see superstar. Part of his initilal appeal was that he is Kevin Durant but 7 4 insted of 6 10. But Wemby can t shoot which severely limits his upside. Now you might say Giannis can t shoot and he is dominating the league. But Giannis is 6 11 and part of the reason he is so dominant is because he bulked up. Wemby can t bulk up, he is too tall and added weight will significantly increase his risk of injury.

Gonna regret these posts.


Maybe. Still this is my opinion. Again I m not saying Wemby will become a bad player. Just don t see him become an upper echelon superstar player.
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Post#44 » by SNPA » Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:30 pm

Hell…if he had Scott Skiles like Shaq did his rookie year VW would be in the low-mid 20’s on decent % right now IMO.
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Post#45 » by The Servant » Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:31 pm

Kevin Durant's rookie year:

20/4.5/2.5 on 43%/28.8%/87%. Handle was a bit suspect also.
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Post#46 » by phanman » Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:33 pm

Miami_Lux wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:You guys over hyped Wemby.

He's not a generational player. LeBron was generational. Shaq was generational.


Look at those guys in their rookie season they dominated from jump. Wemby is more of a project if surrounded by talent he could be special.


Agreed. Wemby obviously has all the talent and physical tools but I just don t see superstar. Part of his initilal appeal was that he is Kevin Durant but 7 4 insted of 6 10. But Wemby can t shoot which severely limits his upside. Now you might say Giannis can t shoot and he is dominating the league. But Giannis is 6 11 and part of the reason he is so dominant is because he bulked up. Wemby can t bulk up, he is too tall and added weight will significantly increase his risk of injury.

Both KD and Wemby have exactly 28.3% (17/60) from deep.

He hits 76%FT and his form is beautiful for a guy of his stature.

There is no evidence as why Wemby can't bulk up.... Nobody is asking him to turn into David Robinson.
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Post#47 » by Lalouie » Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:33 pm

Miami_Lux wrote:This is not supposed to be a reactionary thread. I understand that we are not even one quarter into the season but nonetheless there are quite a few concerning observations about Wemby's actual ceiling.
Let's look at his numbers over the last six games following his 38-point game against the Suns. 38/100 (38%) from the field, 9/35 (26%) from three. I understand that San Antonio has a bad team, a PG that is not a PG (i.e. Sochan), and overall his teammates don't give him the ball in good spots as much as they should.
However, I was told Wemby was a great shooter for his length but he demonstrately is not. While his three-point shot may look good, his percentages are just abysmal. I don t think he will ever become a great shooter if he can t shoot even 30% from the three-point line.
Second, from watching the game, I think his handles are very suspect. He gets stripped a lot and his movement with the ball is very clunky at times making it easy for good defenders to strip the ball away from.
I don t think Wemby will be a bust. He can become an elite defender but offensively right now he just looks like a taller Porzingis.
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he aint no durant and iff'n he aint whats the point of him being out there where he's playing 6'11
i dont like anything about how he's playing but pops wants to let him find himself. theres no reason for complaints. i think pops has handled bigs before

i personally do not think wemby flying in from nowhere to block a jumper is going to make anyone scared or cautious about firing away. to be effective a player's presence has to be palpable, like the elephant in the room. wemby putting his 7'5 body in front where players can see him WILL make them cautious and think twice. as far as i'n concerned he's playing like "out of sight out of mind"

maybe pops is letting him loose to impress upon wemby that he's useless 20' away from the basket
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Re: Wembenyama. I'm concerned 

Post#48 » by TimDunkin » Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:40 pm

Miami_Lux wrote:This is not supposed to be a reactionary thread. I understand that we are not even one quarter into the season but nonetheless there are quite a few concerning observations about Wemby's actual ceiling.
Let's look at his numbers over the last six games following his 38-point game against the Suns. 38/100 (38%) from the field, 9/35 (26%) from three. I understand that San Antonio has a bad team, a PG that is not a PG (i.e. Sochan), and overall his teammates don't give him the ball in good spots as much as they should.
However, I was told Wemby was a great shooter for his length but he demonstrately is not. While his three-point shot may look good, his percentages are just abysmal. I don t think he will ever become a great shooter if he can t shoot even 30% from the three-point line.
Second, from watching the game, I think his handles are very suspect. He gets stripped a lot and his movement with the ball is very clunky at times making it easy for good defenders to strip the ball away from.
I don t think Wemby will be a bust. He can become an elite defender but offensively right now he just looks like a taller Porzingis.
Please don t hate me.


Why take what is already a small sample size of 11 games and make it even smaller?
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Post#49 » by DwayneSchintzus » Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:08 pm

i missed the good ol' days when we would win tons of games and everyone would leave us alone, bc we were "boring", tbh
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Post#50 » by dhsilv2 » Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:10 pm

Miami_Lux wrote:However, I was told Wemby was a great shooter for his length but he demonstrately is not.


Who is a better shooter for his length? Or even...well there's no comp. But give me a 7'4 guy who shot better lol.
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Post#51 » by Rainwater » Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:22 pm

Most rooks are inefficient when they come into the league.
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Post#52 » by G R E Y » Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:53 pm

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Post#53 » by Miami_Lux » Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:19 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
Miami_Lux wrote:However, I was told Wemby was a great shooter for his length but he demonstrately is not.


Who is a better shooter for his length? Or even...well there's no comp. But give me a 7'4 guy who shot better lol.


Can t be much worse than 28%
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Post#54 » by hardenASG13 » Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:22 pm

He's going to be much better when they can get him the ball inside and utilize him as roll/pop guy. I can't believe how poorly they are doing it right now. When his base gets stronger he's going to dominate. Right now he's putting up alot of bad shots, because if he doesn't the ball isn't coming back to him.
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Post#55 » by vxmike » Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:23 pm

Trey24 wrote:He has shown some insane flashes for a rookie. He is going to be very good for a long time.

I am surprised he doesn't rebound more consistently though


I don’t know why a guy that tall is constantly bombing threes instead of being under the basket scoring and grabbing rebounds. It’s really odd that Pop allows it.
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Post#56 » by vxmike » Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:25 pm

C0bR wrote:7'4 dude who thinks and plays like he is a 6'6 wing - jacking **** midrange jumpers, turning the ball over at record rate and even mostly camping out on the perimeter while playing defense

Screams soft and bad bball IQ and Pop is indulging him


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Post#57 » by MrGoat » Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:35 pm

This was always to be expected. There's a reason he went down to the French only league after struggling in Euroleague. His game and his frame still needs a lot of work. The hype was more about his all time upside. Now is the time to develop him, and lose enough in the process to get him some running mates
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Post#58 » by dhsilv2 » Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:42 pm

Miami_Lux wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
Miami_Lux wrote:However, I was told Wemby was a great shooter for his length but he demonstrately is not.


Who is a better shooter for his length? Or even...well there's no comp. But give me a 7'4 guy who shot better lol.


Can t be much worse than 28%


Shaq? Shawn Bradely? Ming? Yeah....it can.
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Post#59 » by Bum Adebayo » Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:45 pm

The main issue I see is how people were touting him as this good or even great shooter before playing an NBA game, probably based on that game he played against Scoot. I mean, he has always been a bad 3pt shooter, this is the reality, he has never been a good shooter. Having a pretty and smooth jumper is not the same as being a good shooter. Expecting him to suddenly be a good shooter never made sense to me, he will need to improve over time, but probably not until year 3 or so at the earliest.
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Post#60 » by Michael Jackson » Thu Nov 16, 2023 9:51 pm

If only he had a Primo guard to play with...

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