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What will Hawks offense look like under Quin Snyder?

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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Quin Snyder? 

Post#124 » by jayu70 » Thu Nov 9, 2023 5:46 pm

Quin's 8 man rotation - thoughts?

Current Minutes per game:

Trae - 35.6 mpg

DJ - 34.4 mpg

Hunt - 30.4 mpg

JJ - 30.1 mpg

CC - 24.7 mpg

OO - 22.6 mpg

Bogi - 24.2 mpg

Bey - 27.9 mpg



AJ - 9.0 mpg (5 games)

GM - 4.0 mpg (2 games)
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Quin Snyder? 

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And that's with Trae and Bogi to some extent below norms.
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Quin Snyder? 

Post#129 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Nov 12, 2023 7:38 pm

Hawks not handling pressure well at all...

Another reason they're missing the pressure John Collins could put on the rim when teams focus on blitzing ball handlers.

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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Quin Snyder? 

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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Quin Snyder? 

Post#131 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Nov 16, 2023 2:52 pm

I gotta be honest, Pacers have taken the approach I expected (hoped) Hawks would take: An elite, all time great offense that's so productive and high powered, it makes up for a lackluster defense and carries the team to a top 5 seed.

Gaudy offensive stats that make the lead playmaker/ballhandler a lock for All Star, All NBA, MVP consideration.

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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Quin Snyder? 

Post#132 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:22 pm

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As many expected, head coach Quin Snyder's imprint is all over the Atlanta Hawks' offense following a full offseason to implement his principles.

Atlanta is throwing 25 more passes per game, and its scoring efficiency on cuts (off-ball movement is a Snyder staple) is also up significantly.

That extra body and ball movement is helping democratize the team's attack while also, theoretically, generating cleaner looks for everyone on the roster.

Trae Young has yet to benefit.

Though the Hawks star guard has been productive in the early going, and though his increased movement away from the ball bodes well for his team's success in the long run, he just isn't hitting shots.

On pace to post the lowest field-goal and three-point percentages of his career, the 25-year-old simply hasn't found his stroke yet—and that's despite getting more wide-open three-point attempts per game than last year.

Young is bound to start hitting his shots, and it helps that many of Atlanta's supporting pieces—Dejounte Murray and Jalen Johnson, for example—are putting up career-best numbers. But it remains a surprise that the Hawks' best offensive player is struggling to heat up in better scoring conditions than he's ever had.
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Quin Snyder? 

Post#134 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:18 pm

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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Quin Snyder? 

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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Quin Snyder? 

Post#137 » by Jamaaliver » Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:54 pm

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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Quin Snyder? 

Post#138 » by jayu70 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:56 pm

Following up on the Hawks/Pacer preview regarding Quin's Jazz offense, here is Conley's take:
“Me and Emmanuel [Mudiay] joked the first day of training camp: ‘I think you need a PhD to play here! They didn’t tell us that when we came,’” says Conley.


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Snyder came into the NBA with a reputation for offensive creativity and innovation; his personnel has never allowed him to fully flex those muscles, but that hasn’t stopped him from implementing one of the most detailed approaches in the game.
The basketball coach’s lexicon is full of recognizable English words that aren’t being used in quite the same way as you would during a normal conversation. They form a general vocabulary, one that shares a number of foundational elements and root terms but then varies within the specifics. An etymologist could entertain themselves for days just studying the history and origins of modern NBA terminology.
Take the “ICE” defense, one popularized by Tom Thibodeau during his late-2000s heyday. ICE involves forcing pick-and-roll ball-handlers to the sideline with a specific defensive alignment; it’s something the Jazz and many other teams use regularly. But depending on which city you’re in or which coaching tree your team has plucked from, you might hear it referred to as other terms like “Down” or “Blue.”
ertain coaches, though – whether due to personal preference or a deliberate attempt to throw off opponents – have their own vocabularies. Snyder’s is commonly referred to as maybe the single most complex out there. Most teams just say “switch” when such action is required, for instance; the Jazz under Snyder have commonly used the term “black” instead.

“[He uses] different words than most of the NBA,” Conley says. “Once you learn them all and nobody really knows what you’re saying, you’re speaking a foreign language to the rest of the league, which is brilliant.”

Naturally, this takes time to adjust to. There are literally hundreds of potential such terms to re-memorize, these on top of an actual on-court scheme that requires precision and multiple actions run at once.

My hope is given more time in the system, the players adjustment will become more in tuned, then it will really take off.

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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Quin Snyder? 

Post#139 » by jayu70 » Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:24 pm

While the focus of this thread is on offense. The defense needs some work:

First - Rebound the ball, the defensive possession does not end until we secure the rebound. Versus the Knicks and Sixers we gave up too many which directly led to additional scoring opportunities for those teams. Simple Boxing out by our guards and wings would help.

Second - stop falling behind early in the first quarter, play some actual defense, stop giving up those WIDE OPEN 3s

Third - Defend the backdoor cut. These a mindboggling

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Fourth - Communicate: I like when I can hear the players thru the TV. I'm also lack of communication leading to players out of position.

Fifth - play with a sense of urgency and toughness
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Re: What will Hawks offense look like under Quin Snyder? 

Post#140 » by Jamaaliver » Fri Nov 24, 2023 10:24 am

Indiana stole our model...and are doing it better than us.

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Still, it's nice to have an actual identity that fits our personnel. We are a fast-paced, offensive juggernaut of a team. And it is fun to watch!

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