Original Title Was Wack - Knicks Comparison Thread Starting PG 5

[3toheadmelo]

Found another melo burner account

Melozakistan continues to gather more members while guant0pia is struggling to keep the street lights on

[Clyde_Style]

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[mpharris36]

[DrCoach]

Yikes

[The Lamma]

Randle is definitely better

Spoiler:

at bocci, checkers, and parcheesi

[Stannis]

Ewing probably would have been the GOAT if he had Randle's knees.

[dakomish23]

Troll your family instead of this group. They deserve it. We don't.

[testerosa]

Randle ain't better than Melo

There's no question in my mind... Randle is a better Knick than Melo was.

Randle isn't even HALF the **** talent or Knick for that matter that Melo was.... that's a BIG **** OUTTA HERE

Melo was a bigger ball hog, gave less effort on defense, was a worse leader overall, and did less with bigger expectations than Randle has. Not even a debate.

For the Knicks to exhaust every option, every asset and spend every dollar to have the kind of team they put around Melo in 2013, only to lose to that Pacers team in the second round says it all. Meanwhile Randle took that 2021 team to the 4th seed almost single handedly when no one expected it. We took the ECF champs to 6 games last year with Randle on a bum ankle. He's made 2 all-star teams and 2 all-NBA teams without butting heads with the FO, getting any coaches fired or any beloved players traded, and the team's trajectory is still pointing up.

Like Randle, Melo is a great father and a very cool dude off the court so I respect him as a man, but there's no denying his tenure with the Knicks was a MAJOR disappointment. Actually, I believe he's so cool and so loved and respected by his peers, that none of them ever had the guts to call him out or complain to the coaches or FO about what a black hole he was. But I KNOW Tyson Chandler had enough of Melo's sh*t by the end of it, and Nene recently called him selfish so that's pretty substantial confirmation of what players really thought.

Most fans wanted him gone by the end of his run, and the fact the Knicks needed to surround him with so many vets in 2013 just to make up for his lack of leadership speaks volumes as well. Kidd, Sheed, Camby, Kurt, K-Mart, Q-Rich, Prigioni? It's like Melo and JR needed baby sitters.

We all know Randle's attitude sucks sometimes, and at his worst, he holds the ball too long and turns it over too much. But he is the vet on this squad. He's a total alpha and a vocal leader which Melo refused to be. And at his best, Randle fills the stat sheet and facilitates for others like a point forward of sorts. If the Knicks continue to improve, he could easily go down as one of the all-time great Knicks. He's already one of the best from the last 20 years which I know is not saying much, but for that reason alone he gets too much hate around here.

[Stannis]

Melo was a bigger ball hog, gave less effort on defense, was a worse leader overall, and did less with bigger expectations than Randle has. Not even a debate.

Like Randle, Melo is a great father and a very cool dude off the court so I respect him as a man, but there's no denying his tenure with the Knicks was a MAJOR disappointment. Actually, I believe he's so cool and so loved and respected by his peers, that none of them ever had the guts to call him out or complain to the coaches or FO about what a black hole he was. But I KNOW Tyson Chandler had enough of Melo's sh*t by the end of it, and Nene recently called him selfish so that's pretty substantial confirmation of what players really thought.

Most fans wanted him gone by the end of his run, and the fact the Knicks needed to surround him with so many vets in 2013 just to make up for his lack of leadership speaks volumes as well. Kidd, Sheed, Camby, Kurt, K-Mart, Q-Rich, Prigioni? It's like Melo and JR needed baby sitters.

We all know Randle's attitude sucks sometimes, and at his worst, he holds the ball too long and turns it over too much. But he is the vet on this squad. He's a total alpha and a vocal leader which Melo refused to be. And at his best, Randle fills the stat sheet and facilitates for others like a point forward of sorts. If the Knicks continue to improve, he could easily go down as one of the all-time great Knicks. He's already one of the best from the last 20 years which I know is not saying much, but for that reason alone he gets too much hate around here.

I think Melo was still better overall. But I agree with a lot of what you said.

I actually think those MDA Knicks would have been better with Randle instead of Melo.

And the only one who complained about him was actually MDA when he went to FO and suggested they trade him to the Nets for Deron Williams. Boom. Fired. So yeah, you are kind of right about that. Melo was well-loved by the league. And you really had to be careful not to upset him. Which sucked, because he really didn't deserve that kind of "untouchable" treatment.

I heavily disagree with Randle having a chance to be an all-time great Knick. End of the day, he's folded in all the playoff experiences. IMHO, he's Al Harrington on steroids.

Soon to be 29. The clock is ticking. Do you know any players that got better at 30? Particularly in the playoffs?

[WargamesX]

No he isn't better than Ewing, but a real conversation is Is Randle better than Melo? That is a debate I think should happen.

[testerosa]

Melo was a bigger ball hog, gave less effort on defense, was a worse leader overall, and did less with bigger expectations than Randle has. Not even a debate.

Like Randle, Melo is a great father and a very cool dude off the court so I respect him as a man, but there's no denying his tenure with the Knicks was a MAJOR disappointment. Actually, I believe he's so cool and so loved and respected by his peers, that none of them ever had the guts to call him out or complain to the coaches or FO about what a black hole he was. But I KNOW Tyson Chandler had enough of Melo's sh*t by the end of it, and Nene recently called him selfish so that's pretty substantial confirmation of what players really thought.

Most fans wanted him gone by the end of his run, and the fact the Knicks needed to surround him with so many vets in 2013 just to make up for his lack of leadership speaks volumes as well. Kidd, Sheed, Camby, Kurt, K-Mart, Q-Rich, Prigioni? It's like Melo and JR needed baby sitters.

We all know Randle's attitude sucks sometimes, and at his worst, he holds the ball too long and turns it over too much. But he is the vet on this squad. He's a total alpha and a vocal leader which Melo refused to be. And at his best, Randle fills the stat sheet and facilitates for others like a point forward of sorts. If the Knicks continue to improve, he could easily go down as one of the all-time great Knicks. He's already one of the best from the last 20 years which I know is not saying much, but for that reason alone he gets too much hate around here.

I think Melo was still better overall. But I agree with a lot of what you said.

I actually think those MDA Knicks would have been better with Randle instead of Melo.

And the only one who complained about him was actually MDA when he went to FO and suggested they trade him to the Nets for Deron Williams. Boom. Fired. So yeah, you are kind of right about that. Melo was well-loved by the league. And you really had to be careful not to upset him. Which sucked, because he really didn't deserve that kind of "untouchable" treatment.

I heavily disagree with Randle having a chance to be an all-time great Knick. End of the day, he's folded in all the playoff experiences. IMHO, he's Al Harrington on steroids.

Soon to be 29. The clock is ticking. Do you know any players that got better at 30? Particularly in the playoffs?

I say that because the Knicks as a whole are on an upwards trajectory, not because I think he'll improve his game. He looks like he's out of his slump and it's totally feasible he has another all-star campaign this year. The Knicks could win 50+ games and make it to the conference finals for all we know. Even if they got back to the second round for another hard-fought 6 or 7 game series, that would be another feather in his cap. Then, if the Knicks do pull off that big trade everyone is waiting for and he's still with the team after the fact, he could be a major part of a contender here in NY. Hell, Randle could find himself with a ring or two if they get the right guy (Embiid or Giannis to be specific).

I'm not saying it's likely, but it's certainly possible. And if it happens, there will be no denying his place in Knicks history. God forbid the Knicks win it all with him still putting up 20 and 10, the story will be about all the adversity he faced, his love/hate relationship with the fans, and how he made it to the promised land in spite of it all. Watch how quickly people change their tune on Randle then....

[testerosa]

No he isn't better than Ewing, but a real conversation is Is Randle better than Melo? That is a debate I think should happen.

We're having it now. Mods change the thread title, ban the OP and let's keep this conversation rolling

[thebuzzardman]

Randle is what the Knicks were hoping they got with Mcadoo or Spencer Haywood but actually got it.

[thebuzzardman]

What if Ewing had Randle instead of Oakley and they kept X-Man?

[ScienceOfLosing]

What if Ewing had Randle instead of Oakley and they kept X-Man?

We would‘ve needed a team psychiatrist.

[MrDollarBills]

This is amazing content

[Capn'O]

No he isn't better than Ewing, but a real conversation is Is Randle better than Melo? That is a debate I think should happen.

[thebuzzardman]

What if Ewing had Randle instead of Oakley and they kept X-Man?

We would‘ve needed a team psychiatrist.

Did I mention Mase would be backing up both X-Man and Randle?

[duetta]

What if Ewing had Randle instead of Oakley and they kept X-Man?

What if X-Man's knees had miraculously recovered - because a healthy X-Man would have been Pippin's daddy.

[dakomish23]

There's no question in my mind... Randle is a better Knick than Melo was.

Randle isn't even HALF the **** talent or Knick for that matter that Melo was.... that's a BIG **** OUTTA HERE

Melo was a bigger ball hog, gave less effort on defense, was a worse leader overall, and did less with bigger expectations than Randle has. Not even a debate.

For the Knicks to exhaust every option, every asset and spend every dollar to have the kind of team they put around Melo in 2013, only to lose to that Pacers team in the second round says it all. Meanwhile Randle took that 2021 team to the 4th seed almost single handedly when no one expected it. We took the ECF champs to 6 games last year with Randle on a bum ankle. He's made 2 all-star teams and 2 all-NBA teams without butting heads with the FO, getting any coaches fired or any beloved players traded, and the team's trajectory is still pointing up.

Like Randle, Melo is a great father and a very cool dude off the court so I respect him as a man, but there's no denying his tenure with the Knicks was a MAJOR disappointment. Actually, I believe he's so cool and so loved and respected by his peers, that none of them ever had the guts to call him out or complain to the coaches or FO about what a black hole he was. But I KNOW Tyson Chandler had enough of Melo's sh*t by the end of it, and Nene recently called him selfish so that's pretty substantial confirmation of what players really thought.

Most fans wanted him gone by the end of his run, and the fact the Knicks needed to surround him with so many vets in 2013 just to make up for his lack of leadership speaks volumes as well. Kidd, Sheed, Camby, Kurt, K-Mart, Q-Rich, Prigioni? It's like Melo and JR needed baby sitters.

We all know Randle's attitude sucks sometimes, and at his worst, he holds the ball too long and turns it over too much. But he is the vet on this squad. He's a total alpha and a vocal leader which Melo refused to be. And at his best, Randle fills the stat sheet and facilitates for others like a point forward of sorts. If the Knicks continue to improve, he could easily go down as one of the all-time great Knicks. He's already one of the best from the last 20 years which I know is not saying much, but for that reason alone he gets too much hate around here.

Prove with data all the stuff you said in your first paragraph. It's all subjective.

The Knicks did not exhaust every option to put the best team around Melo - as proven by us literally trading a pick AFTER the series to bring in Bargs. And just b/c they tried to put pieces around him doesn't mean they did a good job of it. They wasted the amnesty clause when they could have opted out of Billups contract or tried to trade it. Those were two critical mistakes that prevented us from building a good team around him. Melo dragged us from the 11 seed to the 7 seed after Lin & Amare went down. Then he followed that up with getting us the 2 seed and to the 2nd round for the first time in 15 years. And we only went to game 6 vs IND b/c of Melo and he did what Brunson did in game 6 (going supernova) trying to drag it to 7. No one else showed up all series. Meanwhile, we went to game 6 with MIA last year in spite of Julius's bad games (they weren't all bad). Did you watch game 5??? We had to sit Randle as we went down 10 in the first on the way to a blowout, then we immediately go on an 18-2 run and go on to win the game. You're rewriting history.

Former Knicks players have called out that Randle has no accountability. Why are you ignoring that but embracing what some of Melo's former teammates have said? And not even players who played with him during his time here. And somehow you "KNOW" Tyson was sick of him?

One thing that you said that was true was that expectations FOR THE TEAM with Melo were not met vs the expectations FOR THE TEAM were surpassed with Randle. But that statement in itself shows the wide gap in who's better b/w the two. You don't have expectations for one and not the other if you don't think one is better a better player than the other.

And I'm a Randle Island guy from day one. I just know who was the better player b/w these two at this point. If Randle sticks to bully ball, defending and being a solid facilitator, we could go very far as a team. Then we can revisit this. But at this point they're not close.