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Re: In-Season Tournament – Celtics @ Raptors – 7:30PM, Fri, Nov. 17, 2023 

Post#41 » by BrianFitz » Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:30 pm

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FlatearthZorro wrote:What's going on with Porzingod, is he going to play this game, he hurt? I haven't checked any news or anything.

He banged knees with Julius Randle in the Knicks game. It was visibly bruised and he wasn’t moving well pre-game vs. the Sixers so he was held out. No long-term concern, or so they say. He’s listed as questionable for this game.


I see no point to having him play this game to be honest.

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Re: In-Season Tournament – Celtics @ Raptors – 7:30PM, Fri, Nov. 17, 2023 

Post#42 » by BrianFitz » Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:31 pm

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Just obscene.

Make all-NBA team if you're 26 and still playing for the team that drafted you - that's the money you get.


Unfortunately this is 100% accurate.
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Re: In-Season Tournament – Celtics @ Raptors – 7:30PM, Fri, Nov. 17, 2023 

Post#43 » by BrianFitz » Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:32 pm

BK_2020 wrote:Trade Jaylen Brown for Cam Johnson and Mikal Bridges. Surely they would want to consolidate their assets for a superstar. Then use the savings to resign Derrick White.


:D That would be Brad's greatest move to date if he could ever pull that off.
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Re: In-Season Tournament – Celtics @ Raptors – 7:30PM, Fri, Nov. 17, 2023 

Post#44 » by Hal14 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:50 pm

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celtxman wrote:Do I think it will get done? Probably. But the holdup wasn't by White, we all heard his comments. So either the Celtics wanted to pay him less or they wanted to wait and see. It feels like the Celtics are getting a lot of benefit here (against injury or his play regresses.) They are certainly tapping into White's good disposition. On some level it's a gamble. Brown gets every penny, Tatum will get every penny, Holiday will likely resign -shoot even Pritchard is locked up. All of this taken care of before White. So yes I'm mildly concerned.

Pritchard only had 1 year left on his contract when we extended him. JB only had 1 year left on his contract when we gave him supermax. We gave KP an extension this past summer - at the time, he only had 1 year left on his deal.

That seems to be Brad's standard operating procedure. You extend the guy during the summer when he's got 1 year left on his deal.

I believe he did the same thing with Smart and Rob too. He didn't do it with Grant, (we didn't come to an agreement on an extension with him during the summer of 2022) which was certainly foreshadowing that Grant was gonna be gone this past summer.

Next summer, we'll have Tatum, Jrue, White and Al, who will all have 1 year left on their contracts. Plus, Hauser will have a team option which I'm sure the team will pick up. But all 5 of them can get extensions.

I'm not worried about it. It's very rare that a non-superstar player gets an extension when he still has 2 years left on his contract. Again, there's no reason to rush it.


JRue could choose to opt out and become a free agent. Better to extend him now if possible.

Why would Jrue do that? His option for the 24-25 season is $37 million. There's no way he would make more than that in free agency, at age 34. Especially considering his counting stats across the board are going to dip since he has a lesser role here than he had in milwaukee. So far he's averaging the lowest FGA per game since his rookie year. If he goes into free agency next summer, he's obviously getting less than $37 mil.

Only way he turns down that player option is if he absolutely hates it here. But all indications are, that the opposite is true. He's been a great fit, and his buddy Charles Lee is coaching with us. He seems to be buddies with Tatum and Brown too. Plus the article from the other day where Jrue said that of all the teams he's been on, he's never played for a coach who has given him as much of a voice and as much responsibility as Mazzulla has over the season’s first month.

It would be a huge shock if he doesn't pick up that player option, imo.

And even if he doesn't, then we still have the entire offseason to work out an extension with White, who is still under contract for the 24-25 season anyways.

Ya'll worry too much :)
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Post#45 » by playa-hater » Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:27 pm

BK_2020 wrote:Trade Jaylen Brown for Cam Johnson and Mikal Bridges. Surely they would want to consolidate their assets for a superstar. Then use the savings to resign Derrick White.


I think many will be surprised and disappointed in what Brown + contract will be able to get in return.
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Re: In-Season Tournament – Celtics @ Raptors – 7:30PM, Fri, Nov. 17, 2023 

Post#47 » by 165bows » Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:49 pm

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BK_2020 wrote:Trade Jaylen Brown for Cam Johnson and Mikal Bridges. Surely they would want to consolidate their assets for a superstar. Then use the savings to resign Derrick White.


I think many will be surprised and disappointed in what Brown + contract will be able to get in return.


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Re: In-Season Tournament – Celtics @ Raptors – 7:30PM, Fri, Nov. 17, 2023 

Post#48 » by sam_I_am » Fri Nov 17, 2023 6:08 pm

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BK_2020 wrote:Trade Jaylen Brown for Cam Johnson and Mikal Bridges. Surely they would want to consolidate their assets for a superstar. Then use the savings to resign Derrick White.


I think many will be surprised and disappointed in what Brown + contract will be able to get in return.


So true. The egos of the haters here might never get over the shock of how big the return would be.
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Re: In-Season Tournament – Celtics @ Raptors – 7:30PM, Fri, Nov. 17, 2023 

Post#49 » by sam_I_am » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:12 pm

Hal14 wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Pritchard only had 1 year left on his contract when we extended him. JB only had 1 year left on his contract when we gave him supermax. We gave KP an extension this past summer - at the time, he only had 1 year left on his deal.

That seems to be Brad's standard operating procedure. You extend the guy during the summer when he's got 1 year left on his deal.

I believe he did the same thing with Smart and Rob too. He didn't do it with Grant, (we didn't come to an agreement on an extension with him during the summer of 2022) which was certainly foreshadowing that Grant was gonna be gone this past summer.

Next summer, we'll have Tatum, Jrue, White and Al, who will all have 1 year left on their contracts. Plus, Hauser will have a team option which I'm sure the team will pick up. But all 5 of them can get extensions.

I'm not worried about it. It's very rare that a non-superstar player gets an extension when he still has 2 years left on his contract. Again, there's no reason to rush it.


JRue could choose to opt out and become a free agent. Better to extend him now if possible.

Why would Jrue do that? His option for the 24-25 season is $37 million. There's no way he would make more than that in free agency, at age 34. Especially considering his counting stats across the board are going to dip since he has a lesser role here than he had in milwaukee. So far he's averaging the lowest FGA per game since his rookie year. If he goes into free agency next summer, he's obviously getting less than $37 mil.

Only way he turns down that player option is if he absolutely hates it here. But all indications are, that the opposite is true. He's been a great fit, and his buddy Charles Lee is coaching with us. He seems to be buddies with Tatum and Brown too. Plus the article from the other day where Jrue said that of all the teams he's been on, he's never played for a coach who has given him as much of a voice and as much responsibility as Mazzulla has over the season’s first month.

It would be a huge shock if he doesn't pick up that player option, imo.

And even if he doesn't, then we still have the entire offseason to work out an extension with White, who is still under contract for the 24-25 season anyways.

Ya'll worry too much :)


Guys definitely look around during option year. Horford and Hayward immediately come to mind. Even Harden was going to opt out until Ime nixed the idea of a Houston return. His age is all the more reason he would want to get a 3-4 yr deal in place.
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Re: In-Season Tournament – Celtics @ Raptors – 7:30PM, Fri, Nov. 17, 2023 

Post#51 » by steefP2 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:26 pm

Hal14 wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Pritchard only had 1 year left on his contract when we extended him. JB only had 1 year left on his contract when we gave him supermax. We gave KP an extension this past summer - at the time, he only had 1 year left on his deal.

That seems to be Brad's standard operating procedure. You extend the guy during the summer when he's got 1 year left on his deal.

I believe he did the same thing with Smart and Rob too. He didn't do it with Grant, (we didn't come to an agreement on an extension with him during the summer of 2022) which was certainly foreshadowing that Grant was gonna be gone this past summer.

Next summer, we'll have Tatum, Jrue, White and Al, who will all have 1 year left on their contracts. Plus, Hauser will have a team option which I'm sure the team will pick up. But all 5 of them can get extensions.

I'm not worried about it. It's very rare that a non-superstar player gets an extension when he still has 2 years left on his contract. Again, there's no reason to rush it.


JRue could choose to opt out and become a free agent. Better to extend him now if possible.

Why would Jrue do that? His option for the 24-25 season is $37 million. There's no way he would make more than that in free agency, at age 34. Especially considering his counting stats across the board are going to dip since he has a lesser role here than he had in milwaukee. So far he's averaging the lowest FGA per game since his rookie year. If he goes into free agency next summer, he's obviously getting less than $37 mil.

Only way he turns down that player option is if he absolutely hates it here. But all indications are, that the opposite is true. He's been a great fit, and his buddy Charles Lee is coaching with us. He seems to be buddies with Tatum and Brown too. Plus the article from the other day where Jrue said that of all the teams he's been on, he's never played for a coach who has given him as much of a voice and as much responsibility as Mazzulla has over the season’s first month.

It would be a huge shock if he doesn't pick up that player option, imo.

And even if he doesn't, then we still have the entire offseason to work out an extension with White, who is still under contract for the 24-25 season anyways.

Ya'll worry too much :)




This makes no sense. First of all there’s already been reporting that both sides want an extension to happen as soon as possible. But anyway you’re thinking about about the player option all wrong; it’s not about making more money in year 1 of his next deal. It’s about extending while you are still productive and not hurt.

Jrue also still has massive cache and regard around the league. He definitely could get 3/120 in free agency if he wants or more. FVV just got a 2 year max and he’s way worse. 40 mil aav isn’t even close to max money in the next 3 years anyway. The cheapest I could see him resigning for with us is 3/110 and that would be him being nice.

I’m not worried about resigning him; that’s definitely going to happen but he’s not picking up that player option and it’s not gonna be cheap.
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Re: In-Season Tournament – Celtics @ Raptors – 7:30PM, Fri, Nov. 17, 2023 

Post#52 » by bisme37 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:28 pm

Celts are looking to go 2-0 in tournament group play tonight. Raps are the last team to even play a tourney game so they are 0-0.

We still have to play Bulls and Magic in our group in the next week or so.

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Post#53 » by Hal14 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:46 pm

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sam_I_am wrote:
JRue could choose to opt out and become a free agent. Better to extend him now if possible.

Why would Jrue do that? His option for the 24-25 season is $37 million. There's no way he would make more than that in free agency, at age 34. Especially considering his counting stats across the board are going to dip since he has a lesser role here than he had in milwaukee. So far he's averaging the lowest FGA per game since his rookie year. If he goes into free agency next summer, he's obviously getting less than $37 mil.

Only way he turns down that player option is if he absolutely hates it here. But all indications are, that the opposite is true. He's been a great fit, and his buddy Charles Lee is coaching with us. He seems to be buddies with Tatum and Brown too. Plus the article from the other day where Jrue said that of all the teams he's been on, he's never played for a coach who has given him as much of a voice and as much responsibility as Mazzulla has over the season’s first month.

It would be a huge shock if he doesn't pick up that player option, imo.

And even if he doesn't, then we still have the entire offseason to work out an extension with White, who is still under contract for the 24-25 season anyways.

Ya'll worry too much :)




This makes no sense. First of all there’s already been reporting that both sides want an extension to happen as soon as possible. But anyway you’re thinking about about the player option all wrong; it’s not about making more money in year 1 of his next deal. It’s about extending while you are still productive and not hurt.

Jrue also still has massive cache and regard around the league. He definitely could get 3/120 in free agency if he wants or more. FVV just got a 2 year max and he’s way worse. 40 mil aav isn’t even close to max money in the next 3 years anyway. The cheapest I could see him resigning for with us is 3/110 and that would be him being nice.

I’m not worried about resigning him; that’s definitely going to happen but he’s not picking up that player option and it’s not gonna be cheap.

Hmm, oh I guess I just figured he would pick up the player option for 24-25 of $37 mil and then extend with the C's for less than $37 mil a year. That way he still gets his $37 mil for the 24-25 season (since I figure in free agency at age 34 he'd likely get less than $37 mil for the 24-25 season) and locks in an extension.

Kind of like what Porzngis just did. He had a player option of $36 mil for the 23-24 season. He picked it up, to lock in that dough (since he knew that he'd likely get less than $36 mil a year in free agency), then got traded to Boston, then signed the extension with us for 2 years, $30 mil per season.

I could see Jrue doing basically the same thing. Pick up the $37 mil player option for 24-25, then sign an extension with us for 2 or 3 years at $30 mil a year (maybe a little more).

Of course, you would think that Jrue will make less than $37 mil a year on his extension. I can't see a guy at age 34 making more $ per year on his extension than he did on his previous contract.

You look at last season and so far this season, I'd say Jrue and KP are at a similar level in terms of how good they are. KP has more injury concerns, but he's 4 years younger. I can't see Jrue getting much more on his extension than what KP got. Yes I know KP's extension was kind of a bargain, but I'm sure Brad will try and get Jrue to be a similar bargain in order to lock in the core of this team long term and maximize the championship window that we have.

Vanvleet is worse than Jrue, but he was 4 years younger than Jrue when he signed that deal. And most people have said that deal was a big overpay by Houston, who went crazy last summer (also overpaid for Londale, Green and Brooks).

My main point was that I don't think Jrue is going anywhere, and am not worried about him leaving for another team as a FA this summer, so I guess we're in agreement.
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Post#54 » by ConstableGeneva » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:03 pm

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Hal14 wrote:
sam_I_am wrote:
JRue could choose to opt out and become a free agent. Better to extend him now if possible.

Why would Jrue do that? His option for the 24-25 season is $37 million. There's no way he would make more than that in free agency, at age 34. Especially considering his counting stats across the board are going to dip since he has a lesser role here than he had in milwaukee. So far he's averaging the lowest FGA per game since his rookie year. If he goes into free agency next summer, he's obviously getting less than $37 mil.

Only way he turns down that player option is if he absolutely hates it here. But all indications are, that the opposite is true. He's been a great fit, and his buddy Charles Lee is coaching with us. He seems to be buddies with Tatum and Brown too. Plus the article from the other day where Jrue said that of all the teams he's been on, he's never played for a coach who has given him as much of a voice and as much responsibility as Mazzulla has over the season’s first month.

It would be a huge shock if he doesn't pick up that player option, imo.

And even if he doesn't, then we still have the entire offseason to work out an extension with White, who is still under contract for the 24-25 season anyways.

Ya'll worry too much :)




This makes no sense. First of all there’s already been reporting that both sides want an extension to happen as soon as possible. But anyway you’re thinking about about the player option all wrong; it’s not about making more money in year 1 of his next deal. It’s about extending while you are still productive and not hurt.

Jrue also still has massive cache and regard around the league. He definitely could get 3/120 in free agency if he wants or more. FVV just got a 2 year max and he’s way worse. 40 mil aav isn’t even close to max money in the next 3 years anyway. The cheapest I could see him resigning for with us is 3/110 and that would be him being nice.

I’m not worried about resigning him; that’s definitely going to happen but he’s not picking up that player option and it’s not gonna be cheap.

If he agrees to an extension, player option is implicitly picked up.
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Post#55 » by lon3lytoaster » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:27 pm

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Post#56 » by Memokerobi » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:30 pm

lon3lytoaster wrote:Must win.


Not really but it would be nice
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Post#57 » by lon3lytoaster » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:36 pm

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lon3lytoaster wrote:Must win.


Not really but it would be nice


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Post#58 » by Riverwalk2021 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:40 pm

Celtics by 40 tbh. Toronto being held hostage in purgatory by madman Masai.
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Post#59 » by Ville5 » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:59 pm

Hal14 wrote:Kind of like what Porzngis just did. He had a player option of $36 mil for the 23-24 season. He picked it up, to lock in that dough (since he knew that he'd likely get less than $36 mil a year in free agency), then got traded to Boston, then signed the extension with us for 2 years, $30 mil per season.


Porzingis had just had the best season of his career and he would have preferred to opt out and sign a new 4-5 year contract this summer. He said as much in interviews. And he probably would have gotten his wish if the Wizards hadn't suddenly pivoted to full-on tanking mode. That left KP with two options - either opt in in order to get traded or opt out and sign somewhere else. The Wizards found a trade KP liked so he opted in.
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