Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0

[Kobewade11]

Lowry, Jovic, and 1st for Tyus Jones, Dorrell Wright or Landry Shamet, and Danilo Gallinari is the trade that’s hitting us right in the face that has a high probability of getting done. Shamet has 11 million non guaranteed next year and Gallinari 6.8 also comes off the books. Tyus Jones also a free agent but with bird rights we can most likely keep him on a good deal.

is there any path to acquire Tyus without the excess junk from Washington?

[gom]

You guys are trading Jovic way too soon. He has a ton of talent. Be patient please.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Lowry, Jovic, and 1st for Tyus Jones, Dorrell Wright or Landry Shamet, and Danilo Gallinari is the trade that’s hitting us right in the face that has a high probability of getting done. Shamet has 11 million non guaranteed next year and Gallinari 6.8 also comes off the books. Tyus Jones also a free agent but with bird rights we can most likely keep him on a good deal.

is there any path to acquire Tyus without the excess junk from Washington?

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/10/17/miami-heat-washington-wizards-tyus-jones-nba-trade-rumors-proposal/

[AirP.]

Jimmy got major love for the Jones bros

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/05/03/jimmy-butler-tyus-tre-jones-mother-breast-cancer-shoes-sixers-raptors-playoffs

That's right not everyone knows about Butler and the Jones brothers history...

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[AirP.]

Lowry, Jovic, and 1st for Tyus Jones, Dorrell Wright or Landry Shamet, and Danilo Gallinari is the trade that’s hitting us right in the face that has a high probability of getting done. Shamet has 11 million non guaranteed next year and Gallinari 6.8 also comes off the books. Tyus Jones also a free agent but with bird rights we can most likely keep him on a good deal.

is there any path to acquire Tyus without the excess junk from Washington?

https://nbaanalysis.net/2023/10/17/miami-heat-washington-wizards-tyus-jones-nba-trade-rumors-proposal/

Tyus before this year in Washington with those fools has been a great ORTG-DRTG guy, he's a career +6 ORTG-DRTG guy but has mostly played backup. He's a very good AST to TO ratio guy which really helps a team's offensive efficiency. He's a FA after this year so that's a plus for Miami moving forward, they could possibly retain him if he fits in well.

I'd move Robinson and a small asset to get Tyrus and have possibly more flexibility next year if they're not completely happy with Tyrus.

[Rapaz]

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[RexBoyWonder]

Trades we SHOULD NOT CONSIDER :

1. Losing assets for Caruso. He's making 8 mil, and he's less vauable then Martin stright up. He's a good defender that can't score. He's basically Lowry with better defense and less passing. I rather just give minutes to Dru smith then lose assets for Caruso.

2. Same for Tyus Jones. He's a nice backup PG, good passer. He's not much of a defender and not much of a scorer/shooter. We don't need another passer. again, we have Lowry.

Trade we SHOULD consider :

Dump Lowry + asset for Collin Sexton and Kelly.

Sexton can shoot, score aggressively (our big need), get to the line and to the rim, he's young and hungry. Won't cost much cause Jazz are handing the team to K.George. Sexton makes around 18Mil next year - so we can keep him and also Highsmith or Msartin if we choose without blowing up the cap.

Kelly fits in our system as a backup big. He's better then Bryant for this team. He's also expiring.

THE Trade we should do :

Zack Lavine for Lowry + Martin + Bryant + jovic + 1 pick.

Lavine might not be a superstar, but as your 3rd or 4th best player - he'd be awesome. He can really sahoot and score, not unlike Herro but with better efficiency, FT rate and less passing.

He's not the perfect fit but his scoring game is the type of talent injection you can't pass up on for a team like ours as long as the price is this low.

Herro
Lavine
Jimmy
Highsmith
Bam

JJJ 6th man.

It's a gamble worth taking because the cost is low, Lavine is a proven elite scorer, and Jimmy and Bam will cover for most of his weaknesses (defense and IQ).

[DayofMourning]

Id rather not go for Lavine. Too costly and not the defensive player we like. Dame wouldnt have been either. Jrue wouldve been perfect here.

Id take aim at Caruso if the price is right. Id expect some team would outbid us.

Probably going to develop Dru in spurts during the season and pray for the best.

Cant move Jovic as he looks to have the offensive skillset to do well in this league. Got to work on that D. His awareness and backpedal stood out to me at times as being weak points.

[AirP.]

Spoiler:

Trades we SHOULD NOT CONSIDER :

1. Losing assets for Caruso. He's making 8 mil, and he's less vauable then Martin stright up. He's a good defender that can't score. He's basically Lowry with better defense and less passing. I rather just give minutes to Dru smith then lose assets for Caruso.

2. Same for Tyus Jones. He's a nice backup PG, good passer. He's not much of a defender and not much of a scorer/shooter. We don't need another passer. again, we have Lowry.

Trade we SHOULD consider :

Dump Lowry + asset for Collin Sexton and Kelly.

Sexton can shoot, score aggressively (our big need), get to the line and to the rim, he's young and hungry. Won't cost much cause Jazz are handing the team to K.George. Sexton makes around 18Mil next year - so we can keep him and also Highsmith or Msartin if we choose without blowing up the cap.

Kelly fits in our system as a backup big. He's better then Bryant for this team. He's also expiring.

THE Trade we should do :

Zack Lavine for Lowry + Martin + Bryant + jovic + 1 pick.

Lavine might not be a superstar, but as your 3rd or 4th best player - he'd be awesome. He can really sahoot and score, not unlike Herro but with better efficiency, FT rate and less passing.

He's not the perfect fit but his scoring game is the type of talent injection you can't pass up on for a team like ours as long as the price is this low.

Herro
Lavine
Jimmy
Highsmith
Bam

JJJ 6th man.

It's a gamble worth taking because the cost is low, Lavine is a proven elite scorer, and Jimmy and Bam will cover for most of his weaknesses (defense and IQ).

According to Sportrac Miami is currently $246,777 from the 2nd Apron of tax.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2023

So looking at next year...
Herro 29 mil
LaVine 43 mil
Butler 49 mil
Bam 35 mil
That would be around 156 million for 4 players.

The tax should go up from the current 165 mil to say... 180, that leaves 24 million for the 10 other players on the roster to get to the minimum 14 man roster before going into the tax(repeater tax at that).

Now let's toss D.Robinson's contract in there at around 18 mil and Miami would be at 170 million for 5 players leaving 10 million for 9 other players to stay under the repeater tax.

Jaquez Jr is slated for 3.6 mil
So now 6 players leaving 5.4 mil for 8 more players while staying under the repeater tax.

Love has a 4 million player's option which I expect he picks up.
Richardson has a 3 million player's option.
Highsmith is a FA and should be getting a decent raise from someone.

IF MIAMI IS GOING TO TRADE FOR A HUGE CONTRACT IT HAS TO INCLUDE ONE OF MIAMI'S FUTURE BIG CONTRACTS TO GET OUT OF THE REPEATER TAX NEXT YEAR.

IF LOWRY IS TRADED IT BETTER BE FOR MOSTLY EXPIRING CONTRACTS!

Personally I'm not expecting any big move per usual by this FO, Lillard was about the only real chance for ownership to ok going into into the repeater tax.

If you want to see what big money players Miami could trade Lowry + assets for, go to basketball-reference's player contract page, sort by this year's contracts and look for the guys how have no contract next year so Miami will be trading for a rental. Currently that leaves Miami's options of Klay, Tobias, Siakiam, Harden, Hayward, DeRozan, Conely, Dinwiddie, J.Harris, Hield, Trent Jr, Fultz, Valančiūnas, or even T.Jones.

The previously bolded players... Harden, Hayward, Dinwiddie, Hield, Valančiūnas and possibly Tyus are the only ones who may be cheap enough to acquire to rent for a 1/3 of the season and the playoffs.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

This isn't 2k and every dollar over the tax next season comes with a $2.5 tax that goes to the NBA. Start looking at options that are under the tax for next year, it's why Beal wasn't an option but a "star" in Lillard was. Miami will only go into the tax to add a "star", not just a good highly paid player.

BTW... Sexton makes 18 mil next year, mark him off the list unless Robinson is also going out for expiring contracts.

To put it simply...
Large salary trade that isn't expiring, expect to be trading Herro because of future finances.
Want to trade Lowry, better be bringing back mostly expiring contracts.

[greg4012]

Lowry, Jovic, and 1st for Tyus Jones, Dorrell Wright or Landry Shamet, and Danilo Gallinari is the trade that’s hitting us right in the face that has a high probability of getting done. Shamet has 11 million non guaranteed next year and Gallinari 6.8 also comes off the books. Tyus Jones also a free agent but with bird rights we can most likely keep him on a good deal.

I could get on board with this (though I'm not in a hurry to ditch Jovic). Delon Wright over Shamet tho please. Delon is a defensive dawg and he's dealing this season. 4.4 apg (0.5 topg) and 1.6 spg all in 17 mpg (per 36: 9:1 ato ratio and 3.3 spg).

[twix2500]

This room trading draft picks and young talent for a bunch of backups and a role player. Wheeeewww child

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[AirP.]

It's really simple what this team's options are which are tightly linked to getting out of the repeater tax next season.

1. No moves, Lowry expires and then Miami has 25-30 mil to resign Martin, Highsmith, Cain, Hampton and possibly use part of the MLE to bring someone in with Miami leaning more on Jaquez Jr, Jovic along with the newer contract guys..
2. Moves that will keep Miami under the repeater tax next year, for instance bringing in someone on a value contract that goes beyond this year, players like Caruso, C.Boucher, DSJ, TJ McConnell, J.Carter, or S.Milton.
3. Move Lowry and low cost to no cost assets(draft picks) to bring in a different expiring big contract like Hayward, Klay, Dinwiddie or possibly Harden?
4. Miami trades for a superstar that ownership feels comfortable paying the tax to acquire, so think current J.Butler level player or higher and would cost Herro's contract + more. I would suspect ownership only would do this because of the increased revenue that star would bring to the franchise to somewhat offset the repeater tax.

[RexBoyWonder]

Spoiler:

Trades we SHOULD NOT CONSIDER :

1. Losing assets for Caruso. He's making 8 mil, and he's less vauable then Martin stright up. He's a good defender that can't score. He's basically Lowry with better defense and less passing. I rather just give minutes to Dru smith then lose assets for Caruso.

2. Same for Tyus Jones. He's a nice backup PG, good passer. He's not much of a defender and not much of a scorer/shooter. We don't need another passer. again, we have Lowry.

Trade we SHOULD consider :

Dump Lowry + asset for Collin Sexton and Kelly.

Sexton can shoot, score aggressively (our big need), get to the line and to the rim, he's young and hungry. Won't cost much cause Jazz are handing the team to K.George. Sexton makes around 18Mil next year - so we can keep him and also Highsmith or Msartin if we choose without blowing up the cap.

Kelly fits in our system as a backup big. He's better then Bryant for this team. He's also expiring.

THE Trade we should do :

Zack Lavine for Lowry + Martin + Bryant + jovic + 1 pick.

Lavine might not be a superstar, but as your 3rd or 4th best player - he'd be awesome. He can really sahoot and score, not unlike Herro but with better efficiency, FT rate and less passing.

He's not the perfect fit but his scoring game is the type of talent injection you can't pass up on for a team like ours as long as the price is this low.

Herro
Lavine
Jimmy
Highsmith
Bam

JJJ 6th man.

It's a gamble worth taking because the cost is low, Lavine is a proven elite scorer, and Jimmy and Bam will cover for most of his weaknesses (defense and IQ).

According to Sportrac Miami is currently $246,777 from the 2nd Apron of tax.
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2023

So looking at next year...
Herro 29 mil
LaVine 43 mil
Butler 49 mil
Bam 35 mil
That would be around 156 million for 4 players.

The tax should go up from the current 165 mil to say... 180, that leaves 24 million for the 10 other players on the roster to get to the minimum 14 man roster before going into the tax(repeater tax at that).

Now let's toss D.Robinson's contract in there at around 18 mil and Miami would be at 170 million for 5 players leaving 10 million for 9 other players to stay under the repeater tax.

Jaquez Jr is slated for 3.6 mil
So now 6 players leaving 5.4 mil for 8 more players while staying under the repeater tax.

Love has a 4 million player's option which I expect he picks up.
Richardson has a 3 million player's option.
Highsmith is a FA and should be getting a decent raise from someone.

IF MIAMI IS GOING TO TRADE FOR A HUGE CONTRACT IT HAS TO INCLUDE ONE OF MIAMI'S FUTURE BIG CONTRACTS TO GET OUT OF THE REPEATER TAX NEXT YEAR.

IF LOWRY IS TRADED IT BETTER BE FOR MOSTLY EXPIRING CONTRACTS!

Personally I'm not expecting any big move per usual by this FO, Lillard was about the only real chance for ownership to ok going into into the repeater tax.

If you want to see what big money players Miami could trade Lowry + assets for, go to basketball-reference's player contract page, sort by this year's contracts and look for the guys how have no contract next year so Miami will be trading for a rental. Currently that leaves Miami's options of Klay, Tobias, Siakiam, Harden, Hayward, DeRozan, Conely, Dinwiddie, J.Harris, Hield, Trent Jr, Fultz, Valančiūnas, or even T.Jones.

The previously bolded players... Harden, Hayward, Dinwiddie, Hield, Valančiūnas and possibly Tyus are the only ones who may be cheap enough to acquire to rent for a 1/3 of the season and the playoffs.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

This isn't 2k and every dollar over the tax next season comes with a $2.5 tax that goes to the NBA. Start looking at options that are under the tax for next year, it's why Beal wasn't an option but a "star" in Lillard was. Miami will only go into the tax to add a "star", not just a good highly paid player.

BTW... Sexton makes 18 mil next year, mark him off the list unless Robinson is also going out for expiring contracts.

To put it simply...
Large salary trade that isn't expiring, expect to be trading Herro because of future finances.
Want to trade Lowry, better be bringing back mostly expiring contracts.

Trade Lowry + Martin + Bryant + Jovic + pick
For
Lavine

Next year, You let Rich walk, and Dump Duncan for cap space (should be doable with how well he's playing, maybve veven get a second rounder for him from a team that needs spacing).

You'll have Jimmy, Bam, Lavine, Herro and Highsmith making more then minimum.

Bench will be JJJ, Love, Cain, Dru smith, Orlando Robinson, and a few other vet minimums.

That's about 180 Mil$ for the entire roster, if Highsmnith is kept (needed) at around 10 Mil.

Very doable.

[dshearn]

I dunno about the Lavine stuff....

I am no stat guru or anything like that, but looking at his numbers... he seems expensive for what he does, doesn't fix the PG issue nor provide a ton of defense. On top of all that in the last 8 years he only has one season he was more available then Tyler Herro....something we like to complain about a bunch.

I get wanting to get something out of the Lowery money, and trying to flip Martin while we can...but dropping Martin, jovic, Bryant and a pick seems expensive.

I probably just don't understand Lavine all that well. Are we talking our 4th option on offense? Does he do something great on defense that you can't see in stats?

[gom]

I dunno about the Lavine stuff....

I am no stat guru or anything like that, but looking at his numbers... he seems expensive for what he does, doesn't fix the PG issue nor provide a ton of defense. On top of all that in the last 8 years he only has one season he was more available then Tyler Herro....something we like to complain about a bunch.

I get wanting to get something out of the Lowery money, and trying to flip Martin while we can...but dropping Martin, jovic, Bryant and a pick seems expensive.

I probably just don't understand Lavine all that well. Are we talking our 4th option on offense? Does he do something great on defense that you can't see in stats?

Lavine's defense is not good. Miami should not move from Herro to Lavine. That would be a very poor move.

[AirP.]

Trade Lowry + Martin + Bryant + Jovic + pick
For
Lavine

Next year, You let Rich walk, and Dump Duncan for cap space (should be doable with how well he's playing, maybve veven get a second rounder for him from a team that needs spacing).

You'll have Jimmy, Bam, Lavine, Herro and Highsmith making more then minimum.

Bench will be JJJ, Love, Cain, Dru smith, Orlando Robinson, and a few other vet minimums.

That's about 180 Mil$ for the entire roster, if Highsmnith is kept (needed) at around 10 Mil.

Very doable.

Not only is it not a realistic option, it's asking teams to drop 120-130 points a night on you in the playoffs with quite possibly one of the worst defensive backcourts of all time.

[gom]

Dump Lowry + asset for Collin Sexton and Kelly.

or

Zack Lavine for Lowry + Martin + Bryant + jovic + 1 pick.

really not good thinking. Lowry's contract is an expiring. Sexton is a contract like Robinson's but he's not as good. Olynyk was not very good. Unplayable against the lakers in the finals. Memories of flies...

Derrick Jones Jr was actually better on defense. Sheesh.

Thiis second trade is monstrous. The last thing Lavine won was a dunk contest in 2016.

[iamoti]

Lavine has no fit here stop it. Unless you also deal Herro there are 0 reasons to do it.

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[SerialChiller]

Lavine has no fit here stop it. Unless you also deal Herro there are 0 reasons to do it.

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Ya there's no reason or need for a Lavine trade. We don't need another wing scorer unless you want to trade Herro like you said, PG is the one position we are really lacking depth in right now.

[MorbidHEAT]

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Now we wait, Philly is apparently not very interested, Lakers have no assets. Really just depends on our level of interest

Doubt there is much. At this point, I wouldn’t trade Herro for Lavigne. I guess you can use Lowry, but then you have a Herro and Lavigne backcourt which isn’t ideal.