Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero

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Re: Safe to say, Chet "Hologram" Holgrem > Paolo Banchero 

Post#181 » by SeattleJazzFan » Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:18 pm

MrBigShot wrote:Chet is all star caliber already.

17/8/3/2 on 55/44/90, plays both ends. 2nd best player on a top 4 seed team. The kid gets 30 mins a game and takes less than 11 shots a game doing this.


yup. it's okay if paolo isn't as good as chet. that isn't a knock on banchero. when you figure in his efficiency and his impact defensively, absolutely - if the all stars are chosen tomorrow, he deserves to be one of them. and he has played 13 games in his nba career. he's stupid good.
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Post#182 » by basketballRob » Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:24 pm

Hopefully, both players will stay healthy for several years. With the both team's trajectories, they could meet in the Finals soon.

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Post#183 » by Chanel Bomber » Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:37 pm

Chet has a higher ceiling but is more of an injury risk. Paolo is a more conventional talent.

I was on the fence around draft time but ultimately felt Paolo should be the #1 pick.

Based on the little we know today, I'd change my pick and select Chet. I do regret not taking the "risk" of going with the more unconventional talent.
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Post#184 » by GSWFan1994 » Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:37 pm

MrBigShot wrote:Chet is all star caliber already.

17/8/3/2 on 55/44/90, plays both ends. 2nd best player on a top 4 seed team. The kid gets 30 mins a game and takes less than 11 shots a game doing this.


His efficiency is really eye-popping and certainly shows he can take an even bigger offensive role, as he's quite clearly playing above his role.

Thing is, the Thunder are so well-rounded, and have so many different options, he never might need to. And that's great for both the team and the player.
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Post#185 » by Johnny Tomala » Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:39 pm

Chanel Bomber wrote:Chet has a higher ceiling but is more of an injury risk. Paolo is a more conventional talent.

I was on the fence around draft time but ultimately felt Paolo should be the #1 pick.

Based on the little we know today, I'd change my pick and select Chet. I do regret not taking the "risk" of going with the more unconventional talent.


Yup, I was surprised Magic didn't pick Holmgren.
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Post#186 » by The Servant » Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:52 pm

I'm really happy OKC went with Chet because of the fit, but Paolo is a legit piece and a conventional talent. Both teams are lucky, but OKC in general is ahead in the rebuild because SGA is a superstar. Put SGA next to any rookies and that rookie is going to play more free and easy.
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Post#187 » by basketballRob » Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:08 pm

The Servant wrote:I'm really happy OKC went with Chet because of the fit, but Paolo is a legit piece and a conventional talent. Both teams are lucky, but OKC in general is ahead in the rebuild because SGA is a superstar. Put SGA next to any rookies and that rookie is going to play more free and easy.
We'll see. I think they both make the playoffs this year, and they both can add a max salary free agent next summer.

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Post#188 » by zero rings » Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:47 pm

hippesthippo wrote:I'm still going Paolo. You can build your team around Paolo.

Chet is good, but you don't build your team around Chet.


If you’re building your team around Paolo, your team probably sucks.

There is literally no situation where Chet isn’t helping you win more games.
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Post#189 » by WillyJakkz » Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:52 pm

Damn I guess us Magic fans missed the opportunity to bump this post when Paolo hit the game winner vs CHI while OKC fans took advantage of Chet hitting the clutch game tying 3.

Said it during the draft and will say it again. I thought it was between Jabari and Chet and I wanted us to get Chet. Badly.

But once we picked Paolo and I saw that guy play vs NBA comp that dude is physical and is a beast, love him and glad we got him.

Having a Chet Franz lanky SF PF duo would've been nice but we still would've been searching for a 1A which Paolo is. You can give him the ball anywhere on the court and say go get a basket and he can. Chet currently is better served as a finisher than consistent creator which I believe what Franz is as well so it would've been offensively redundant as that means we'd be relying on Fultz mainly on offense and I completely hate that idea.

So in summary Paolo Chet and Jabari (who is really really good, too) are all in the right places for them to succeed.
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Post#190 » by zero rings » Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:20 pm

WillyJakkz wrote:Damn I guess us Magic fans missed the opportunity to bump this post when Paolo hit the game winner vs CHI while OKC fans took advantage of Chet hitting the clutch game tying 3.

Said it during the draft and will say it again. I thought it was between Jabari and Chet and I wanted us to get Chet. Badly.

But once we picked Paolo and I saw that guy play vs NBA comp that dude is physical and is a beast, love him and glad we got him.

Having a Chet Franz lanky SF PF duo would've been nice but we still would've been searching for a 1A which Paolo is. You can give him the ball anywhere on the court and say go get a basket and he can. Chet currently is better served as a finisher than consistent creator which I believe what Franz is as well so it would've been offensively redundant as that means we'd be relying on Fultz mainly on offense and I completely hate that idea.

So in summary Paolo Chet and Jabari (who is really really good, too) are all in the right places for them to succeed.


I fail to see how being a number one scoring option matters if you stink in the role.

Kyle Kuzma is the number one option for the Wizards. We taking him over Chet too?
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Post#191 » by ThunderBolt » Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:53 pm

WillyJakkz wrote:Damn I guess us Magic fans missed the opportunity to bump this post when Paolo hit the game winner vs CHI while OKC fans took advantage of Chet hitting the clutch game tying 3.
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This thread by and large isn’t being driven by okc fans, especially those that post on the okc board.
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Post#192 » by FrightCoward » Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:07 pm

zero rings wrote:
WillyJakkz wrote:Damn I guess us Magic fans missed the opportunity to bump this post when Paolo hit the game winner vs CHI while OKC fans took advantage of Chet hitting the clutch game tying 3.

Said it during the draft and will say it again. I thought it was between Jabari and Chet and I wanted us to get Chet. Badly.

But once we picked Paolo and I saw that guy play vs NBA comp that dude is physical and is a beast, love him and glad we got him.

Having a Chet Franz lanky SF PF duo would've been nice but we still would've been searching for a 1A which Paolo is. You can give him the ball anywhere on the court and say go get a basket and he can. Chet currently is better served as a finisher than consistent creator which I believe what Franz is as well so it would've been offensively redundant as that means we'd be relying on Fultz mainly on offense and I completely hate that idea.

So in summary Paolo Chet and Jabari (who is really really good, too) are all in the right places for them to succeed.


I fail to see how being a number one scoring option matters if you stink in the role.

Kyle Kuzma is the number one option for the Wizards. We taking him over Chet too?


Great comparison. Wizards are 2-10 and at the bottom of the East while Orlando is 7-5 despite a bunch of injuries to key contributors. Also glad we’re comparing Paolo to a guy who has been in the league for years. We won’t know his ceiling until the end of his third season which is when most players make their biggest leap.
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Post#193 » by TheNewEra » Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:16 pm

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TheNewEra wrote:Wouldn’t be all that shocking if Chet has the better career.


it would be shocking if he doesn't have a better career. paolo has a chance to be a really good player. chet is special. dude is just different. this really isn't a fair comparison. Chet is Bird to Wemby's Magic. Paolo is Dominique or Adrian Dantley or whoever else we want him to be. Chet is simply on a different level.

they just aren't in the same stratosphere at this point. pick your advanced stat or your counting stat, Chet blows him out of the water. even ppg - paolo is supposed to the superior scorer, but he's getting 18 ppg and Chet 17 ppg - that's the one thing Paolo was supposed to have on Chet. doesn't even have that. Chet just does it A LOT more efficiently and does everything else on the court better than Paolo.

Chet doesn't face triple teams the entire game. Chet is also a worse playmaker than Paolo. Chet is a great player as well, but he's flanked by an MVP level player, an elite playmaker, and more consistent shooters and shooting.

Paolo is the number 1 guy on a team that really only has two players who can be classified as shooters. And they're both bench players in Gary Harris and Joe Ingles.


This is what I don’t like about the Paolo talk it completely ignores that Franz was and still is the best player on that team. The gap isn’t as big as Chet and SGA as being the number 1 and 2 guy but it’s there. SGA just has the more market appeal but people know Franz is the better player on the Magic.
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Post#194 » by TheNewEra » Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:19 pm

The Servant wrote:I'm really happy OKC went with Chet because of the fit, but Paolo is a legit piece and a conventional talent. Both teams are lucky, but OKC in general is ahead in the rebuild because SGA is a superstar. Put SGA next to any rookies and that rookie is going to play more free and easy.


OKC wouldn’t be anywhere as good they are without Chet coming out of the gate playing like ROY contenders and winning basketball at that with SGA.
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Post#195 » by FrightCoward » Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:20 pm

TheNewEra wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:
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it would be shocking if he doesn't have a better career. paolo has a chance to be a really good player. chet is special. dude is just different. this really isn't a fair comparison. Chet is Bird to Wemby's Magic. Paolo is Dominique or Adrian Dantley or whoever else we want him to be. Chet is simply on a different level.

they just aren't in the same stratosphere at this point. pick your advanced stat or your counting stat, Chet blows him out of the water. even ppg - paolo is supposed to the superior scorer, but he's getting 18 ppg and Chet 17 ppg - that's the one thing Paolo was supposed to have on Chet. doesn't even have that. Chet just does it A LOT more efficiently and does everything else on the court better than Paolo.

Chet doesn't face triple teams the entire game. Chet is also a worse playmaker than Paolo. Chet is a great player as well, but he's flanked by an MVP level player, an elite playmaker, and more consistent shooters and shooting.

Paolo is the number 1 guy on a team that really only has two players who can be classified as shooters. And they're both bench players in Gary Harris and Joe Ingles.


This is what I don’t like about the Paolo talk it completely ignores that Franz was and still is the best player on that team. The gap isn’t as big as Chet and SGA as being the number 1 and 2 guy but it’s there. SGA just has the more market appeal but people know Franz is the better player on the Magic.


Definitely not true at all, especially not so far this season. Paolo has been the more efficient player and the better playmaker while being the #1 option. Franz has honestly been a disappointment to start the season.
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Post#196 » by The Real Dalic » Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:30 pm

TheNewEra wrote:
The Real Dalic wrote:
SeattleJazzFan wrote:
it would be shocking if he doesn't have a better career. paolo has a chance to be a really good player. chet is special. dude is just different. this really isn't a fair comparison. Chet is Bird to Wemby's Magic. Paolo is Dominique or Adrian Dantley or whoever else we want him to be. Chet is simply on a different level.

they just aren't in the same stratosphere at this point. pick your advanced stat or your counting stat, Chet blows him out of the water. even ppg - paolo is supposed to the superior scorer, but he's getting 18 ppg and Chet 17 ppg - that's the one thing Paolo was supposed to have on Chet. doesn't even have that. Chet just does it A LOT more efficiently and does everything else on the court better than Paolo.

Chet doesn't face triple teams the entire game. Chet is also a worse playmaker than Paolo. Chet is a great player as well, but he's flanked by an MVP level player, an elite playmaker, and more consistent shooters and shooting.

Paolo is the number 1 guy on a team that really only has two players who can be classified as shooters. And they're both bench players in Gary Harris and Joe Ingles.


This is what I don’t like about the Paolo talk it completely ignores that Franz was and still is the best player on that team. The gap isn’t as big as Chet and SGA as being the number 1 and 2 guy but it’s there. SGA just has the more market appeal but people know Franz is the better player on the Magic.

I'm fine with people ranking Franz higher, since I'm a huge fan of his as well, obviously. But while Franz is a great player in his own right, Paolo is still the player that gets double and triple teamed and game-planned for, while Franz doesn't.

So whether Franz is the Magic's best player or not, Paolo is still seeing all of the attention on the court from the other team. That part is undeniable.
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Post#197 » by RookieStar » Sun Nov 19, 2023 9:51 pm

It really boils down to this.

10 seconds left on the clock in the 4th. Scored is tied. You have the ball. OKC is lucky they have a guy like SGA already who the coach, fans, players, your grandams dog knows you just throw the ball at the halfcourt line with the instructions " make something happen and bring us the win "

You sure as heck don't do that with Chet. However, you can do that with Paolo as evidenced by our game 2-3 days ago???

So different players that gives different advantages. We got what we needed.
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Post#198 » by Cavsfansince84 » Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:23 pm

No. Not at all. It's safe to make an argument for Chet as the better player today or in 5 years. Its not close to being a thing you can just state as flatly true though.
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Post#199 » by sfernald » Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:24 pm

RookieStar wrote:It really boils down to this.

10 seconds left on the clock in the 4th. Scored is tied. You have the ball. OKC is lucky they have a guy like SGA already who the coach, fans, players, your grandams dog knows you just throw the ball at the halfcourt line with the instructions " make something happen and bring us the win "

You sure as heck don't do that with Chet. However, you can do that with Paolo as evidenced by our game 2-3 days ago???

So different players that gives different advantages. We got what we needed.


True, except when they are down three against a championship caliber team and there are less than two seconds left in the game and you need a Durant type three point dagger.
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Post#200 » by RookieStar » Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:31 pm

sfernald wrote:
RookieStar wrote:It really boils down to this.

10 seconds left on the clock in the 4th. Scored is tied. You have the ball. OKC is lucky they have a guy like SGA already who the coach, fans, players, your grandams dog knows you just throw the ball at the halfcourt line with the instructions " make something happen and bring us the win "

You sure as heck don't do that with Chet. However, you can do that with Paolo as evidenced by our game 2-3 days ago???

So different players that gives different advantages. We got what we needed.


True, except when they are down three against a championship caliber team and there are less than two seconds left in the game and you need a Durant type three point dagger.


Sure, any NBA player can do a catch and shoot with a second left. Good to great ones can make it at an even higher percentage.

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