Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Crowder Out 8 Weeks

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Let’s speak it into existence

[old skool]

I find it interesting that so many posters wring their hands over Middleton's minutes limitations at just over 20 mpg very early in this regular season, but feel that Alex Caruso would be a starting lineup savior.

Caruso has never averaged big minutes in the NBA. Last season Caruso started a career high 36 games for the Bulls, but only played 23.5 minutes per games, the second highest mpg average of his 6 year career.

We are all hoping that Middleton can return to being a 30-minute plus contributor. Caruso has never been that. If we can value Caruso's elite defensive play in limited minutes, we should be able to comparably value Midd's all-around contributions, even in similarly limited minutes.

[ShootingtheJ]

Nash is a tool, he was D'Antoni's puppet. If you want to add a coaching mind, bring in D'Antoni, but I don't think he wants to work fulltime.

How is Nash a tool? By all accounts he's a great dude.

Absolutely terrible coach

[pifhluk23]

I find it interesting that so many posters wring their hands over Middleton's minutes limitations at just over 20 mpg very early in this regular season, but feel that Alex Caruso would be a starting lineup savior.

Caruso has never averaged big minutes in the NBA. Last season Caruso started a career high 36 games for the Bulls, but only played 23.5 minutes per games, the second highest mpg average of his 6 year career.

We are all hoping that Middleton can return to being a 30-minute plus contributor. Caruso has never been that. If we can value Caruso's elite defensive play in limited minutes, we should be able to comparably value Midd's all-around contributions, even in similarly limited minutes.

23 minutes of elite D is exactly what we need at SG and he can be used to close games. It's not as important now but it will be in the playoffs.

[RiotPunch]

Nash is a tool, he was D'Antoni's puppet. If you want to add a coaching mind, bring in D'Antoni, but I don't think he wants to work fulltime.

How is Nash a tool? By all accounts he's a great dude.

Absolutely terrible coach

How does that make him a tool?

Bad head coach, maybe good assistant.

[ShootingtheJ]

How is Nash a tool? By all accounts he's a great dude.

Absolutely terrible coach

How does that make him a tool?

Bad head coach, maybe good assistant.

He was clueless at Xs and Os, so what would he do to help here? It sure isn't the defense, and we don't need help on offense.

[old skool]

I find it interesting that so many posters wring their hands over Middleton's minutes limitations at just over 20 mpg very early in this regular season, but feel that Alex Caruso would be a starting lineup savior.

Caruso has never averaged big minutes in the NBA. Last season Caruso started a career high 36 games for the Bulls, but only played 23.5 minutes per games, the second highest mpg average of his 6 year career.

We are all hoping that Middleton can return to being a 30-minute plus contributor. Caruso has never been that. If we can value Caruso's elite defensive play in limited minutes, we should be able to comparably value Midd's all-around contributions, even in similarly limited minutes.

23 minutes of elite D is exactly what we need at SG and he can be used to close games. It's not as important now but it will be in the playoffs.

I think you missed the point of my post. It was not about Caruso or defensive needs. It was comparing the lusting for a 23 minute player while decrying the minutes limitation of an offensive player who "might" be limited to a similar number of minutes.

[paulpressey25]

I think you missed the point of my post. It was not about Caruso or defensive needs. It was comparing the lusting for a 23 minute player while decrying the minutes limitation of an offensive player who "might" be limited to a similar number of minutes.

If a month from now, Middleton isn’t playing full time (28-30mpg), we’re in big trouble. It means he has some serious injury issue.

Again, I can’t recall a prominent star player who went on a ‘minutes restriction’ for months and year(s) on end, and it didn’t end badly.

[Baddy Chuck]

I think you missed the point of my post. It was not about Caruso or defensive needs. It was comparing the lusting for a 23 minute player while decrying the minutes limitation of an offensive player who "might" be limited to a similar number of minutes.

So your point is we need to weigh the contributions of a role player and a guy making 30 million a year as a core championship piece the same?

[ShootingtheJ]

I think you missed the point of my post. It was not about Caruso or defensive needs. It was comparing the lusting for a 23 minute player while decrying the minutes limitation of an offensive player who "might" be limited to a similar number of minutes.

So your point is we need to weigh the contributions of a role player and a guy making 30 million a year as a core championship piece the same?

So we trade all remaining assets and a proven rotation player to acquire Caruso to be the starting SG and defensive stopper, but we can just ignore his fragility by calling him a role player?

[ShootingtheJ]

I think you missed the point of my post. It was not about Caruso or defensive needs. It was comparing the lusting for a 23 minute player while decrying the minutes limitation of an offensive player who "might" be limited to a similar number of minutes.

If a month from now, Middleton isn’t playing full time (28-30mpg), we’re in big trouble. It means he has some serious injury issue.

Again, I can’t recall a prominent star player who went on a ‘minutes restriction’ for months and year(s) on end, and it didn’t end badly.

I wouldn't play Middleton full minutes until the playoffs. This is the preseason. We can get the 1 seed with him playing 25 minutes a game.

[tedbrogen]

I find it interesting that so many posters wring their hands over Middleton's minutes limitations at just over 20 mpg very early in this regular season, but feel that Alex Caruso would be a starting lineup savior.

Caruso has never averaged big minutes in the NBA. Last season Caruso started a career high 36 games for the Bulls, but only played 23.5 minutes per games, the second highest mpg average of his 6 year career.

We are all hoping that Middleton can return to being a 30-minute plus contributor. Caruso has never been that. If we can value Caruso's elite defensive play in limited minutes, we should be able to comparably value Midd's all-around contributions, even in similarly limited minutes.

Speaking only for myself, I’m fine with Midds being a 25 min or less regular season player for the rest of his career as long as that can be upped slightly to 30 or so come playoff time, which is exactly what happened last year when his minutes instantly increased for the playoffs and he was the Bucks most efficient player against the Heat.

[tedbrogen]

I find it interesting that so many posters wring their hands over Middleton's minutes limitations at just over 20 mpg very early in this regular season, but feel that Alex Caruso would be a starting lineup savior.

Caruso has never averaged big minutes in the NBA. Last season Caruso started a career high 36 games for the Bulls, but only played 23.5 minutes per games, the second highest mpg average of his 6 year career.

We are all hoping that Middleton can return to being a 30-minute plus contributor. Caruso has never been that. If we can value Caruso's elite defensive play in limited minutes, we should be able to comparably value Midd's all-around contributions, even in similarly limited minutes.

23 minutes of elite D is exactly what we need at SG and he can be used to close games. It's not as important now but it will be in the playoffs.

I think you missed the point of my post. It was not about Caruso or defensive needs. It was comparing the lusting for a 23 minute player while decrying the minutes limitation of an offensive player who "might" be limited to a similar number of minutes.

23 minutes of Caruso and 25 minutes of Dre means you have the entire position filled with elite defense for the entire game.

[Baddy Chuck]

I think you missed the point of my post. It was not about Caruso or defensive needs. It was comparing the lusting for a 23 minute player while decrying the minutes limitation of an offensive player who "might" be limited to a similar number of minutes.

So your point is we need to weigh the contributions of a role player and a guy making 30 million a year as a core championship piece the same?

So we trade all remaining assets and a proven rotation player to acquire Caruso to be the starting SG and defensive stopper, but we can just ignore his fragility by calling him a role player?

His post was literally "20 minute a night bad how is getting another 20 minute a night guy good" stop making this your own thing.

[SirChurros]

Absolutely terrible coach

How does that make him a tool?

Bad head coach, maybe good assistant.

He was clueless at Xs and Os, so what would he do to help here? It sure isn't the defense, and we don't need help on offense.

Ok, but how does that make him a tool?

[ShootingtheJ]

So your point is we need to weigh the contributions of a role player and a guy making 30 million a year as a core championship piece the same?

So we trade all remaining assets and a proven rotation player to acquire Caruso to be the starting SG and defensive stopper, but we can just ignore his fragility by calling him a role player?

His post was literally "20 minute a night bad how is getting another 20 minute a night guy good" stop making this your own thing.

So what's your answer, now that we've usurped the cop-out of disingenuously calling him a role player?

[Baddy Chuck]

So we trade all remaining assets and a proven rotation player to acquire Caruso to be the starting SG and defensive stopper, but we can just ignore his fragility by calling him a role player?

His post was literally "20 minute a night bad how is getting another 20 minute a night guy good" stop making this your own thing.

So what's your answer, now that we've usurped the cop-out of disingenuously calling him a role player?

I think he's a really good role player who would possibly help this team win more games and bring a much needed skill that we don't have much of right now. His "fragility" doesn't scare me anymore than someone like Pat Connaughton. Comparing the two since Caruso became a full time player he's played the same amount of minutes a game and played 30 less games total basically only because Grayson Allen decided to be Grayson Allen one night.

[Plossum]

If Midds were still injured he wouldn't be playing at all right now. I think we're reading too much into a situation that is simply easing him back into a full workload.

[Ron Swanson]

Middleton played 34 MPG in the last stretch that actually mattered (2023 playoffs) and looked great. Not sure what the issue/concern is here (yet).

[Prez]

I’d be in full on panic mode if Khris was on this minutes restriction still *and* he looked like a shell of himself, but the fact that he looks pretty good in the minutes that he does play has me feeling aight.

These next two games will be telling. I think if the Hornets game was closer he would’ve played a bit more. Think you gotta get him like ~25 against the Wizards and high 20s against Boston.