Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Crowder Out 8 Weeks

[AussieBuck]

I'm good with giving Khris the full Manu treatment from here on out. 24-27 minutes off the bench and maybe a few more in the playoffs. See if we can extend his career out to his late 30s with Dame.

[BigO]

Nash is a tool, he was D'Antoni's puppet. If you want to add a coaching mind, bring in D'Antoni, but I don't think he wants to work fulltime.

How is Nash a tool? By all accounts he's a great dude.

Absolutely terrible coach

Absolutely terrible head coach who almost beat the Bucks with two of his all stars out for most of the Eastern conference series.

Sometimes there are narratives that emerge that have no basis in fact. Navigating two headcases (Irving and Harden) and tons of injuries doesn't make him a great coach, but almost certainly doesn't make him a bad one.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I'm good with giving Khris the full Manu treatment from here on out. 24-27 minutes off the bench and maybe a few more in the playoffs. See if we can extend his career out to his late 30s with Dame.

Here it is. Khris needs to come off the bench with dame here now and I love your minutes recommendation. Khtis has been a workhorse forever let's baby him and make it just a bit easier for dame to assimilate and get his shots by not parking him out there with giannis too

I think if khris was just...our 6th man... minutes wouldn't be an issue. It's not like he isn't closing EVERY time we've needed him.

And like I thing Prez said earlier... if he looked limited physically I'd be concerned but he doesn't he looks freaking great.... I think it's as simple as us viewing him as treasure and just padding him a bit if there's some soreness. Other guys get sore we're like suit it up. If thus is the long long long game with him I love it

[crowhead76]

I heard from one club that, in one of Nash’s final games, there were in the ballpark of 10 easy-to-spot occasions that Irving ran something completely different after Nash shouted the play he wanted.

[AussieBuck]

Can the Bucks somehow find a different job in the organization for Robin. I really would like to see Wenyan Gabriel on this roster.

Only if Robin is still lying on the baseline having the time of his life still.

[Baddy Chuck]

Can the Bucks somehow find a different job in the organization for Robin. I really would like to see Wenyan Gabriel on this roster.

Only if Robin is still lying on the baseline having the time of his life still.

Bet he would emphatically wipe down some sweat from the floor if asked.

[Baddy Chuck]

Caruso would be cool but I'm looking at the Bulls roster and thinking is Patrick Williams salvageable? Are they ready to give up on him? Does he still think he's getting 20 million a year? Also how do we get Ayo as a throw in.

[ShootingtheJ]

Can the Bucks somehow find a different job in the organization for Robin. I really would like to see Wenyan Gabriel on this roster.

I'm still laughing that, with In Season Tournament points differential on the line, Griffin left Robin on the bench and instead went with Bolden.

[ShootingtheJ]

Caruso would be cool but I'm looking at the Bulls roster and thinking is Patrick Williams salvageable? Are they ready to give up on him? Does he still think he's getting 20 million a year? Also how do we get Ayo as a throw in.

Problem is both of those players have fat salaries. Williams is getting $7.7 million this year for his 42TS%.

[tedbrogen]

Can the Bucks somehow find a different job in the organization for Robin. I really would like to see Wenyan Gabriel on this roster.

Only if Robin is still lying on the baseline having the time of his life still.

I’m pretty sure assistant coaches are allowed to lay down on the sideline and the Bucks are down an assistant. Problem. Solved.

[tedbrogen]

Caruso would be cool but I'm looking at the Bulls roster and thinking is Patrick Williams salvageable? Are they ready to give up on him? Does he still think he's getting 20 million a year? Also how do we get Ayo as a throw in.

Problem is both of those players have fat salaries. Williams is getting $7.7 million this year for his 42TS%.

And isn’t Pat Williams an RFA after this season and wants a fat contract.

[tedbrogen]

Caruso would be cool but I'm looking at the Bulls roster and thinking is Patrick Williams salvageable? Are they ready to give up on him? Does he still think he's getting 20 million a year? Also how do we get Ayo as a throw in.

Can they just get Ayo instead?

[Baddy Chuck]

Caruso would be cool but I'm looking at the Bulls roster and thinking is Patrick Williams salvageable? Are they ready to give up on him? Does he still think he's getting 20 million a year? Also how do we get Ayo as a throw in.

Problem is both of those players have fat salaries. Williams is getting $7.7 million this year for his 42TS%.

And isn’t Pat Williams an RFA after this season and wants a fat contract.

Well yeah, I addressed those concerns in the original post.

If he returned to last season "form" sure he wouldn't be the Kawhi Leonard or whatever the Bulls hoped he would become when they drafted him fourth overall but he'd kinda fit awesome on this team. Athletic 3/4 who could play next to Giannis at center, shoots 40% from three and has a ton of defensive versatility. 22 years old probably both him and the Bulls thought he was going to makes leaps but he just might be a really good role player and (obviously?) not getting the contract they thought.

[tedbrogen]

Problem is both of those players have fat salaries. Williams is getting $7.7 million this year for his 42TS%.

And isn’t Pat Williams an RFA after this season and wants a fat contract.

Well yeah, I addressed those concerns in the original post.

If he returned to last season "form" sure he wouldn't be the Kawhi Leonard or whatever the Bulls hoped he would become when they drafted him fourth overall but he'd kinda fit awesome on this team. Athletic 3/4 who could play next to Giannis at center, shoots 40% from three and has a ton of defensive versatility. 22 years old probably both him and the Bulls thought he was going to makes leaps but he just might be a really good role player and (obviously?) not getting the contract they thought.

I think the reasons you listed are why someone offers him a fat contract this offseason and why you’re probably not getting him for Pat or Bobby and the Portland 2nd.

[Baddy Chuck]

And isn’t Pat Williams an RFA after this season and wants a fat contract.

Well yeah, I addressed those concerns in the original post.

If he returned to last season "form" sure he wouldn't be the Kawhi Leonard or whatever the Bulls hoped he would become when they drafted him fourth overall but he'd kinda fit awesome on this team. Athletic 3/4 who could play next to Giannis at center, shoots 40% from three and has a ton of defensive versatility. 22 years old probably both him and the Bulls thought he was going to makes leaps but he just might be a really good role player and (obviously?) not getting the contract they thought.

I think the reasons you listed are why someone offers him a fat contract this offseason and why you’re probably not getting him for Pat or Bobby and the Portland 2nd.

I just don't see someone paying out the ass for a guy like him, or that his value is very high especially considering how he is currently playing. The Bulls are going to blow up, it's just a matter of time, and he doesn't really look to be a piece they need to keep and I just can't imagine he's more than a "buy low" guy right now and they might just take what they can get. Think it would take a hell of a run for him to get anywhere near the money he wanted this offseason. Also think most 22 year olds get paid off untapped potential, and after 4 years of not really taping into that potential, that market is probably gone too.

[old skool]

I think you missed the point of my post. It was not about Caruso or defensive needs. It was comparing the lusting for a 23 minute player while decrying the minutes limitation of an offensive player who "might" be limited to a similar number of minutes.

So your point is we need to weigh the contributions of a role player and a guy making 30 million a year as a core championship piece the same?

Obviously contracts have an impact. Valid point.

But once the contracts are signed, they do not impact performance on the court. I just find it very odd that so many posters here are so excited about the (unlikely) prospect of acquiring a good player who is usually playing just under 24 minutes a game while at the same time so many posters are worried that another good player might only play 21 minutes a game. The comparative implication is that somehow 20-something minutes for one player would be awesome, while 20-something minutes for the other player would be disastrous. That seems incongruous to me.

There seems to be an inordinate concern about Middleton's minutes in the first 20-something days of the season, and at the same time a general disregard for the comparable minutes pattern that has been established over Caruso's career. That is my only observation. I'm not comparing players, evaluating contract value, or valuing offense over defense. Just poster angst over minutes that does not seem to be applied evenly.

[PANDEMONEUM]

Team Stats : Bucks & 1st Placed team

ppg 6th 119.2 / Indy 125.7
fgm 11th 42.2 / Indy 47
fga 25th 86.1 / Indy 94.9
fg% 4th 49.1 / Okc 50.3

3pm 6th 14.7 / Dal 16.7
3pa 8th 38.5 / Bos 43.3
3p% 5th 38.1 / Okc 41

ftm 5th 20 / Phil 23.2
fta 4th 26.2 / Orl 28.3
ft% 18th 76.5 / Phil 86.7

oreb 29th 7.8 / Uta 15.3
dreb 10th 33.8 / Bos 36.8
reb 27th 41.5 / Uta 47.6

ast 25th 23.9 / Indy 30.3
tov 10th 13.9 / Chi 12.1
stl 20th 7.2 / Lac 10
blk 15th 5.2 / Phx 6.8

+/- 11th 2.3 / Bos 11.7
det rtg 21st 114.6 / Bos 106.5

[PANDEMONEUM]

fga 25th 86.1 / Indy 94.9
fg% 4th 49.1 / Okc 50.3
we are a bit slow. which is lowering our fga.
but that doesnt matter as much bcause wer making almost half of our hots.

ftm 5th 20 / Phil 23.2
fta 4th 26.2 / Orl 28.3
ft% 18th 76.5 / Phil 86.7
Giannis keeping our % low, even with Dames high %.
everyone else better step their FT%s a bit higher.

oreb 29th 7.8 / Uta 15.3
dreb 10th 33.8 / Bos 36.8
reb 27th 41.5 / Uta 47.6
is there a correlation between low Oreb and defending transition points, or lowering opponents fast break points ?

ast 25th 23.9 / Indy 30.3
id like to be around 15th. but idk if Dame + Giannis iso work will allow it.

stl 20th 7.2 / Lac 10
scrambling defense isnt getting us steals. Brook and G shouldnt/cant go for steals cause theyr protecting the rim.
plus, id rather be in better defensive position than going for those stls.

+/- 11th 2.3 / Bos 11.7
det rtg 21st 114.6 / Bos 106.5
these are concerning.
hopefully with more Marjon and AJjr, we'll improve and close down this gap.

[randy84]

fga 25th 86.1 / Indy 94.9
fg% 4th 49.1 / Okc 50.3
we are a bit slow. which is lowering our fga.
but that doesnt matter as much bcause wer making almost half of our hots.

ftm 5th 20 / Phil 23.2
fta 4th 26.2 / Orl 28.3
ft% 18th 76.5 / Phil 86.7
Giannis keeping our % low, even with Dames high %.
everyone else better step their FT%s a bit higher.

oreb 29th 7.8 / Uta 15.3
dreb 10th 33.8 / Bos 36.8
reb 27th 41.5 / Uta 47.6
is there a correlation between low Oreb and defending transition points, or lowering opponents fast break points ?

ast 25th 23.9 / Indy 30.3
id like to be around 15th. but idk if Dame + Giannis iso work will allow it.

stl 20th 7.2 / Lac 10
scrambling defense isnt getting us steals. Brook and G shouldnt/cant go for steals cause theyr protecting the rim.
plus, id rather be in better defensive position than going for those stls.

+/- 11th 2.3 / Bos 11.7
det rtg 21st 114.6 / Bos 106.5
these are concerning.
hopefully with more Marjon and AJjr, we'll improve and close down this gap.

What are Marjon's and Dre's ratings compared to Beasley and Patty C?

[PANDEMONEUM]

What are Marjon's and Dre's ratings compared to Beasley and Patty C?

i need someone more stat'y to look and compare their defensive ratings.

but, games started, played and mins, this is what it is so far.

Malik....13 games played. 13 games started. 26.6 mins per.
Pat.......13 .........................................23.7
Jae........9 games played. 2 games started...26.7
Marj.....10..........................................16.7
AJJ........9................... 2 .....................9.4