Trade Talk (Part 14): 2023-24 Edition

[jpatrick]

Carter, Delon Wright, Monte Morris are all kind of in the same bucket for me. Different strengths and weaknesses but all capable of being upper tier backup PGs.

Carter is kind of like Pat Bev. Good defender, can hit the three, but not an initiator of the offense.

Morris probably the closest to an initiator, but not to a Tyus level, very good shooter, but below average defensively.

Wright has size and can swing between PG/SG. More inconsistent of a shooter compared to the above two. Can run the offense somewhat. Can defend.

All would be upgrades. All I’m assuming can be had for a second or two and matching salary at some point before the deadline.

[Neeva]

Jevon carter has been a dissapointment for the Bulls , not interested in trading Shake/a second for him. Bulls fans hate his defense.

Wizards fans desperately want to get rid of Tyus Jones. He’s been BAD but Maybe he just looks bad with the wizards because they are such a complete dumpster fire and his backcourt partner is Poole.

Wolves might be able to pick up someone for nothing like Kris Dunn?

[TimberKat]

TJ McC at 8.7M could be a possibility too. It will be (Milton or Brown) + Moore + JMcL. Only concern is he still have 9.3M next year. So only works if management is sure about going over 2nd apron.

[Neeva]

We should have tried to sign Lonnie Walker for some cheap bench scoring help. Maybe Nets will be out of playoff hunt and will trade him.

[shrink]

TJ McC at 8.7M could be a possibility too. It will be (Milton or Brown) + Moore + JMcL. Only concern is he still have 9.3M next year. So only works if management is sure about going over 2nd apron.

The trade is legal, but these consolidation deals would leave us with open roster spots we’d be required to fill, that could take us over the lux. Vet min slots would be the pro-rated at a bit less than $2 mil, so

OUT: $8.75 mil. Brown, Moore, JMac
IN: $8.7 mil McConnell + $2 + $2

(Now we could fill those extra roster spots with players with less than 2 years of experience, but playoff teams need vets).

If we make a trade, I think it’s more likely we are looking at other teams’ cheap veterans, and probably 1-for-1 deals.

[shrink]

So I was looking through the really cheap guys.

First, maybe we could see a buy out. Monte Morris is a possibility in DET. He hasn’t played a minute since he was supposed to return from a quad strain a month ago.

We could also see Bones Hyland bought out, since he is apparently unhappy after being told he would not be a part of the rotation. He only makes $2.3 either way, if we wanted to trade.

Another vet min guy out there is Pat Bev in PHI. I loved him when he was here, but I question if his attitude would wreck chemistry.

Knicks are barely playing Ryan Arcidiacono.

Overall, I’d be worried about all of these guys except Morris. But it would be pretty difficult to make a trade for a more expensive player that requires us to aggregate players, and stay under the lux. I’ll take a look at deals that could get these guys as filler.

[Kineto]

I think we'll also have to keep an eye on Evan Fournier's situation in NY. This is a crucial year for him with the Olympics in Paris in 2024, he won't want to spend another full year rotting on the bench, and if he isn't traded, he'll certainly negotiate a buyout.

If he's cut by NY, he'll probably sign at the veteran minimum, and Gobert's presence could be a major factor in deciding him to sign in Minnesota (and he already knows how to play with him)

[minimus]

Carter, Delon Wright, Monte Morris are all kind of in the same bucket for me. Different strengths and weaknesses but all capable of being upper tier backup PGs.

Carter is kind of like Pat Bev. Good defender, can hit the three, but not an initiator of the offense.

Morris probably the closest to an initiator, but not to a Tyus level, very good shooter, but below average defensively.

Wright has size and can swing between PG/SG. More inconsistent of a shooter compared to the above two. Can run the offense somewhat. Can defend.

All would be upgrades. All I’m assuming can be had for a second or two and matching salary at some point before the deadline.

I like Wright and NAW as defensive minded duo at PG/SG. Lock perimeter and have fun with opponent trying to score against MIN bench.

[FrenchMinnyFan]

I think we'll also have to keep an eye on Evan Fournier's situation in NY. This is a crucial year for him with the Olympics in Paris in 2024, he won't want to spend another full year rotting on the bench, and if he isn't traded, he'll certainly negotiate a buyout.

If he's cut by NY, he'll probably sign at the veteran minimum, and Gobert's presence could be a major factor in deciding him to sign in Minnesota (and he already knows how to play with him)

I quite agree with that. Fournier coming from the bench will be a good upgrade and help the offense. Not much for the defense but i saw him play at WC and he still able to contribute well.

[KGdaBom]

I think we'll also have to keep an eye on Evan Fournier's situation in NY. This is a crucial year for him with the Olympics in Paris in 2024, he won't want to spend another full year rotting on the bench, and if he isn't traded, he'll certainly negotiate a buyout.

If he's cut by NY, he'll probably sign at the veteran minimum, and Gobert's presence could be a major factor in deciding him to sign in Minnesota (and he already knows how to play with him)

I quite agree with that. Fournier coming from the bench will be a good upgrade and help the offense. Not much for the defense but i saw him play at WC and he still able to contribute well.

I know he used to be good. I'll take your word that he can still be good or good once again.

[minimus]

Here is my ideal scenario for trade deadline 2024:

1) we trade Milton, Moore, 2nd round pick for Delon Wright.
Why for WAS: get some asset for Wright who has expiring contract

2) DET waives Joe Harris, we sign him to vetmin

Gobert/Reid + Garza
Towns/Anderson/Miller
MCD/Brown/Minott
Edwards/NAW/Harris
Conley/Wright/JMac + Nix

[shrink]

If MIN is concerned with the $1.5 mil bonus that Mike Conley may get if the Wolves make the playoffs, and he plays in over 60% of the games, then it would be very risky for the team to fill it’s 15th roster spot, even with a vet min player.

If they were intent on adding a player, they could generate a little wiggle room by trading off Troy Brown Jr or Wendell Moore Jr, or seeing if any teams would absorb them, and use the DLo TPE.

[slick21]

How about Edmond Sumner? Why is he not in the league?

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[BlacJacMac]

How about Edmond Sumner? Why is he not in the league?

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Because he's not very good and he's always hurt - going all the way back to college.

[minimus]

I hate to write it, but would you do this: after Dec.15, Naz Reid, Milton for Josh Giddey, Vasilije Micić and O.Dieng?

Gobert/Towns/Garza
Towns/Anderson/Minott + Miller
McDaniels/Giddey/Brown
Edwards/NAW + Dieng + Clark
Conley/Micić/McLaughlin + Nix

Why for OKC: they get Reid, who fits well as backup C, Presti has to rotate quickly young players, because insane amount of pick is incoming in next years.

Why for MIN: get backup PG, get versatile big wing to replace Anderson next year. Re-sign Conley, Garza, draft Tristan da Silva. Rotation next year:

Gobert/Towns/Garza
Towns/Minott/Miller + Tristan da Silva
McDaniels/Giddey/Brown
Edwards/NAW/Dieng + Clark
Conley/Micić/???

[minimus]

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Milton, Moore, couple of 2nd round picks for Ayo Dosunmu?

Gobert/Reid + Garza
Towns/Anderson/Miller
MCD/Brown/Minott
Edwards/NAW/Dosunmu + Clarke
Conley/Dosunmu/JMac + Nix

[KGdaBom]

I hate to write it, but would you do this: after Dec.15, Naz Reid, Milton for Josh Giddey, Vasilije Micić and O.Dieng?

Gobert/Towns/Garza
Towns/Anderson/Minott + Miller
McDaniels/Giddey/Brown
Edwards/NAW + Dieng + Clark
Conley/Micić/McLaughlin + Nix

Why for OKC: they get Reid, who fits well as backup C, Presti has to rotate quickly young players, because insane amount of pick is incoming in next years.

Why for MIN: get backup PG, get versatile big wing to replace Anderson next year. Re-sign Conley, Garza, draft Tristan da Silva. Rotation next year:

Gobert/Towns/Garza
Towns/Minott/Miller + Tristan da Silva
McDaniels/Giddey/Brown
Edwards/NAW/Dieng + Clark
Conley/Micić/???

I like the trade, but not drafting Da Silva.

[shrink]

I may turn out to look foolish, but I just think Giddey has too many flaws. He’s also the kind of young player that fans and franchises see superstar potential, and take a lot to acquire. Micic is intriguing though.

[jpatrick]

I may turn out to look foolish, but I just think Giddey has too many flaws. He’s also the kind of young player that fans and franchises see superstar potential, and take a lot to acquire. Micic is intriguing though.

I think OKC will trade Giddey before giving him an extension and build around SGA, Williams, and Chet. Best young core in the NBA by a wide margin. The PG you want with that core is not a ball dominant passer who is a poor shooter/defender. Wallace will take that PG spot sooner than later.

But for the same reasons, Giddey doesn’t fit here. Next to Ant you need a good shooter (at a minimum) who doesn’t take the ball out of either Ant or KAT’s hands too much.

That said, I like Giddey. He’s still super young. And he’ll be a good PG somewhere for a long time. Just not here.

[TimberKat]

OKC should be planning a big trade to put them over the top. It's clear the team is build around SGA+Holmgren and the Williams gang. They are more likely to trade 5 picks for Markkie or Zach. I would take any Naz for Giddey trade. May even do a JMcD for Giddey+William. Only because we have a surplus of bigs and needed ball handlers.