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Celtics Control The Grizzly Population! Victory Cigar vs MEM 11/19

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Who smokes the big cigar?

Tatum
3
2%
Brown
1
1%
KP
95
67%
Jrue
1
1%
White
0
No votes
Horf
0
No votes
Hauser
40
28%
Pritchard
1
1%
Queta
0
No votes
Other/Coach/Team
1
1%
 
Total votes: 142

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Re: Celtics Control The Grizzly Population! Victory Cigar vs MEM 11/19 

Post#161 » by BrianFitz » Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:32 am

Froob wrote:Porzingis + basketball gods saved us from a brutal choke job


So the go to move on this board is to say - last year's team would have lost this close game. Are we allowed to say - last year's team would have blown this Memphis team out? Or is that a bridge too far?
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Post#162 » by BrianFitz » Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:33 am

lon3lytoaster wrote:Easily another game they lose last year but I don’t know why we tried to dunk on Jackson


:roll: :roll:
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Post#163 » by BrianFitz » Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:35 am

KamikazeK wrote:Also this might be the first game of the year where I agree that "Last year we'd lose this one." Because we didn't have Porzingis to save our butts in the last seconds last year.


But we DID have Smart, who if nothing else, never lacked from the effort side which is what the Cs seemed to be missing.
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Post#164 » by BrianFitz » Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:37 am

Tyakack wrote:I wanna know what Porzingis said after the block. What a fitting way to end the game. Only time I smiled all game long. God bless the Unicorn.


Pretty sure dude was saying it was a foul :lol: :lol: and Porzingis was telling him he was out his mind.
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Post#165 » by Fierce1 » Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:41 am

For a more clear understanding, the Cs just lost too many games to inferior teams last season.

From losing back to back games, both in Boston, to Orlando, to getting embarrassed by OKC, the Cs just lost a handful of games that they shouldn't have.

Cs should have won 60 games last season.

This season the Cs so far haven't lost to inferior teams like Memphis or Washington.
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Post#166 » by Fierce1 » Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:46 am

Regarding the 3pt shooting, it's true the Griz were not better than the Cs if it's based on percentage.

But no way Aldama making 6 3s is normal or Vince Williams going 2-3 from 3 is normal.

Even Bane making 7 3s is above his season average.
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Post#167 » by BrianFitz » Mon Nov 20, 2023 11:50 am

Fierce1 wrote:Even the teams that won 70 games had games like this.

What's important is the Cs got the W.

The way the game was trending, Cs would have lost if this was last season.


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Post#168 » by JaMarco » Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:05 pm

Triple7 wrote:
JaMarco wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:True!

JT made the game winning play and it went unnoticed.

He would have made 2 game winning plays if Holiday could dunk a basketball!


Didn’t have to pass the ball. We were up. Yup, Jrue should have made that dunk, but he was bothered by JJJ and hurried the shot.

Tatum didn't have to pass the ball, but it's a risk to hold the ball and get trapped which was about to happen.
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Post#169 » by FlatearthZorro » Mon Nov 20, 2023 12:45 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Celtics with a nice way to honor Marcus Smart tonight with a Marcus Smart type of game LOL!!


For real though..

Aand yea... Porzingis needs more looks. Dude's been playing out his mind and deserves more. Let's see if he gets more.
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PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Post#170 » by Gant » Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:50 pm

It was the worst win of the season, which dropped the Cs further into the best record in the league, and extended their humiliating winning streak to six games.
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Post#171 » by KillahGhostface » Mon Nov 20, 2023 1:56 pm

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Post#172 » by jfs1000d » Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:14 pm

BrianFitz wrote:
lon3lytoaster wrote:Easily another game they lose last year but I don’t know why we tried to dunk on Jackson


:roll: :roll:


We have the best crunch time numbers in the NBA. Yes, they lost games like this last year. Part of it is luck, part of it is they now have a third player who is an elite offensive player.

KP is massively underrated. People just laughed him off for injuries because it didn't work in Dallas. He got hurt. That sucks, but if he doesn't get hurt and can play 70 games. He's terrific.
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Post#173 » by GoCeltics123 » Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:45 pm

jfs1000d wrote:
BrianFitz wrote:
lon3lytoaster wrote:Easily another game they lose last year but I don’t know why we tried to dunk on Jackson


:roll: :roll:


We have the best crunch time numbers in the NBA. Yes, they lost games like this last year. Part of it is luck, part of it is they now have a third player who is an elite offensive player.

KP is massively underrated. People just laughed him off for injuries because it didn't work in Dallas. He got hurt. That sucks, but if he doesn't get hurt and can play 70 games. He's terrific.

This game was just terrible all-around so I'm not even going there with the "they would've lost this game last year" stuff but yeah KP is extremely underrated. I think he's the 2nd best player on the team tbh.

KP's #1 issue as a player by far is his injury history and you're always going to be worried about that with him. But he really doesn't have many flaws as a player at this point since he GREATLY improved his post game and defense. He sometimes gets pushed around a little bit or has issues dealing with super athletic or physical centers (like Embiid or Bam) but he's so solid most of the time.

Side note: feels like it's been awhile since he hit a 3
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Post#174 » by shackles10 » Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:02 pm

ConstableGeneva wrote:Perfect chaotic tribute the Celtics could give to former teammate Marcus Smart who was watching in the sidelines. Holiday would've been tarred and feathered had Aldama made that three or had Porzingis not existed in our closing lineup as in years past.


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10 straight minutes?!?! Too bad it's a 48 minute game and he should have told them what to do for the other 38 minutes. Now I see why so many were glad to get rid of him.
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Post#175 » by TheMartian » Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:07 pm

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KillahGhostface wrote:
TheMartian wrote:
The problem here is, this has been the case for several games now.

Need some offensive diversity when the 3s aren't falling and this team (with the exception of Hauser) is generally not a very good 3 point shooting team.


The Celtics shot slightly better from three though lol, just didn’t take enough of them.

This team is also loaded with good shooters, c’mon.

The Red Hot Grizzlies also shot worse from 3 than the Cs. They just took more of em. Weird game to complain about Cs taking 3s when this was the 2nd least amount we took this season in terms of 3-pt attempt rate.

What stood out is the 21 second chance points (season-high) we gave up. The Grizzlies shot poorly esp from 2 all game but we couldn't secure the board to finish defensive possessions.


I don't so much look into the stats as I do at the actual games, but what I saw these past few games was a team that continued to shoot threes as their primary offense which I think is not sustainable even if you are the Golden State Warriors. I'm just not a fan of the 3-ball offense, even if the NBA has become a 3-pt shooting league. They have so much talent in this team to just relagate themselves to chucking beyond the arc, and on nights where their 3s aren't falling, they've been lucky to still come out with wins.
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Post#176 » by return2glory » Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:12 pm

Nice win.

KP and Hauser for VC. Both were great.

KP did it all. 26 points, 8 rebounds and 6 blocks. He potentially saved the game from going into OT with his 6th block to end the game.

Hauser was lights out.

With Brown, White and Jrue struggling with their shots and Tatum being careless with the ball with 8 TOs, KP and Hauser carried the team.

Nice to see Queta and Stevens play, even though it was limited minutes. This is a game we lose last year.
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Post#177 » by KillahGhostface » Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:21 pm

TheMartian wrote:
ConstableGeneva wrote:
KillahGhostface wrote:
The Celtics shot slightly better from three though lol, just didn’t take enough of them.

This team is also loaded with good shooters, c’mon.

The Red Hot Grizzlies also shot worse from 3 than the Cs. They just took more of em. Weird game to complain about Cs taking 3s when this was the 2nd least amount we took this season in terms of 3-pt attempt rate.

What stood out is the 21 second chance points (season-high) we gave up. The Grizzlies shot poorly esp from 2 all game but we couldn't secure the board to finish defensive possessions.


I don't so much look into the stats as I do at the actual games, but what I saw these past few games was a team that continued to shoot threes as their primary offense which I think is not sustainable even if you are the Golden State Warriors. I'm just not a fan of the 3-ball offense, even if the NBA has become a 3-pt shooting league. They have so much talent in this team to just relagate themselves to chucking beyond the arc, and on nights where their 3s aren't falling, they've been lucky to still come out with wins.


But I mean, they shot 39% from three last night, which is really good.

Their problems last night were turnovers, poor execution, not taking enough threes, and a very inconsistent whistle.
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Post#178 » by BrianFitz » Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:30 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:
BrianFitz wrote:
:roll: :roll:


We have the best crunch time numbers in the NBA. Yes, they lost games like this last year. Part of it is luck, part of it is they now have a third player who is an elite offensive player.

KP is massively underrated. People just laughed him off for injuries because it didn't work in Dallas. He got hurt. That sucks, but if he doesn't get hurt and can play 70 games. He's terrific.

This game was just terrible all-around so I'm not even going there with the "they would've lost this game last year" stuff but yeah KP is extremely underrated. I think he's the 2nd best player on the team tbh.

KP's #1 issue as a player by far is his injury history and you're always going to be worried about that with him. But he really doesn't have many flaws as a player at this point since he GREATLY improved his post game and defense. He sometimes gets pushed around a little bit or has issues dealing with super athletic or physical centers (like Embiid or Bam) but he's so solid most of the time.

Side note: feels like it's been awhile since he hit a 3


I honestly don't even think it's close as far as KP being 2nd best on the team. I'm really hoping the Tatum/KP action becomes a well oiled machine and they just ram it down opponents throats for wins. Once or If they get it down it just seems so OP - the roll/lob option Boston had with Rob Will but with the added threat of KP with the pick and pop for 3 as well.

And plus Porzingis really keeps his eyes open for that Brown backdoor cut. It's hopefully gonna be such an amazing triple threat as they come together.
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Post#179 » by KillahGhostface » Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:36 pm

Amazing how many games last years team would have lost, despite almost winning 60 games.
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Post#180 » by JaMarco » Mon Nov 20, 2023 3:43 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:
jfs1000d wrote:
BrianFitz wrote:
:roll: :roll:


We have the best crunch time numbers in the NBA. Yes, they lost games like this last year. Part of it is luck, part of it is they now have a third player who is an elite offensive player.

KP is massively underrated. People just laughed him off for injuries because it didn't work in Dallas. He got hurt. That sucks, but if he doesn't get hurt and can play 70 games. He's terrific.

This game was just terrible all-around so I'm not even going there with the "they would've lost this game last year" stuff but yeah KP is extremely underrated. I think he's the 2nd best player on the team tbh.

KP's #1 issue as a player by far is his injury history and you're always going to be worried about that with him. But he really doesn't have many flaws as a player at this point since he GREATLY improved his post game and defense. He sometimes gets pushed around a little bit or has issues dealing with super athletic or physical centers (like Embiid or Bam) but he's so solid most of the time.

Side note: feels like it's been awhile since he hit a 3

I don't care for how deep KP tends to shoot 3s. I wish he would shoot it more closer to the line.

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