2023-24 NY Knicks trade ideas

[aggo]

Go get kat

[Jalen Bluntson]

Go get kat

He's not available.

[WargamesX]

I still think the Knicks need to make a too good offer for someone a team should keep but they can’t or won’t.

That is more likely to happen than a star player becoming available.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I still think the Knicks need to make a too good offer for someone a team should keep but they can’t or won’t.

That is more likely to happen than a star player becoming available.

I think you should propose an example of such a strategy.

[dakomish23]

Standing opening offer of Fournier + all non NYK firsts non NYK 2nds for Mikal. I know he's not available I know it's not great but it's where I start.

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2024 first round draft pick from Dallas
Dallas' 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-10 in 2024 and 1-10 in 2025; if Dallas has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2025, then Dallas will instead convey its 2025 2nd round pick to New York [Dallas-New York, 1/31/2019]

2024 first round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; if Detroit has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2027, then Detroit will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

2024 first round draft pick from Washington
Washington's 1st round pick to New York protected for selections 1-12 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026; if Washington has not conveyed a 1st round pick to New York by 2026, then Washington will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick and 2027 2nd round pick to New York (via Houston to Oklahoma City) [Houston-Washington, 12/2/2020; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/30/2021; New York-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

2024 second round draft pick from Utah or Cleveland (more favorable)
New York will receive the more favorable of Utah's 2024 2nd round pick and Cleveland's 2024 2nd round pick; L.A. Clippers will receive the more favorable of (i) Indiana's 2024 second round pick and (ii) the less favorable of the Utah pick and the Cleveland pick and Indiana will receive the less favorable of (i) and (ii) (via Utah's right to swap for Cleveland; via Milwaukee to Memphis; via Memphis to L.A. Clippers) [Cleveland-Sacramento-Utah, 2/8/2018; New York-Utah, 11/22/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Indiana-Milwaukee, 7/30/2021; Memphis-Milwaukee, 8/7/2021; Houston-L.A. Clippers-Memphis, 2/9/2023]

2024 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2024 2nd round pick to New York (via L.A. Clippers) [Brooklyn-Detroit-L.A. Clippers, 11/19/2020; L.A. Clippers-New York, 7/30/2021]

2024 second round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 2024 2nd round pick to Atlanta protected for selections 31-50 and 56-59 or to New York protected for selections 31-55 (Miami's obligation(s) to Atlanta and / or New York will thereafter be extinguished) (via Cleveland to Detroit to Philadelphia to New York) [Cleveland-Miami, 2/8/2018; Atlanta-Miami, 6/19/2019; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Detroit-Philadelphia, 7/7/2019; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]

2025 first round draft pick from Milwaukee
Milwaukee's 2025 1st round pick to New Orleans protected for selections 5-30 or to New York protected for selections 1-4 (Milwaukee's obligation to New Orleans or New York will thereafter be extinguished) (via New Orleans to Portland to Detroit to New York) [Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020; New Orleans-Portland, 2/8/2022; Detroit-Portland, 7/6/2022; Detroit-New York, 7/6/2022]

2025 second round draft pick from Brooklyn
Brooklyn's 2025 2nd round pick to New York (via Atlanta) [Atlanta-Brooklyn, 7/13/2018; Atlanta-New York, 1/13/2022]

2025 second round draft pick from Detroit
Detroit's 2025 2nd round pick to New York protected for selections 31-55 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Detroit's obligation to New York will be extinguished) [Detroit-New York, 7/11/2022]

2028 second round draft pick from Indiana or Phoenix (less favorable)
Indiana will receive the more favorable of its 2028 2nd round pick and Phoenix's 2028 2nd round pick and New York will receive the less favorable of the two (via Indiana) [Indiana-Phoenix-Washington, 6/23/2023; Indiana-New York, 7/7/2023]

2029 second round draft pick from Indiana or Washington (less favorable)
Indiana will receive the more favorable of its 2029 2nd round pick and Washington's 2029 2nd round pick and New York will receive the less favorable of the two (via Indiana) [Indiana-Phoenix-Washington, 6/23/2023; Indiana-New York, 7/7/2023]

[Meat]

I still think the Knicks need to make a too good offer for someone a team should keep but they can’t or won’t.

That is more likely to happen than a star player becoming available.

What a unique out of the box idea, you're a disrupter

[WargamesX]

I still think the Knicks need to make a too good offer for someone a team should keep but they can’t or won’t.

That is more likely to happen than a star player becoming available.

What a unique out of the box idea, you're a disrupter

Thank you for recognizing my uniqueness. I could have played it safe and said send us KAT or Levine but where is the vision in that.

[Knicksfan1992]

a little bit of smoke with the Pistons right now and Cade. Not saying they have any intention of trading him, but he might shake loose if they’re continue to be as bad and they could just want draft picks back for him.

I agree Cade is a decent bet for the Knicks to make because a big playmaking wing is kind of what the Knicks are missing... Problem is who are you sending out in the deal/ whose spot does he take in the starting lineup? He's currently not a better player than RJ, Randle or even Quickley for that matter. Brunson is off the table. If you swap out Grimes, then you're leaving yourself too open defensively IMO...Also Cade hasn't proven he can shoot at the NBA level yet. Our already borderline bad spacing gets worse swapping out Grimes for Cade.

Maybe you can tell me that a Quickley/Cade swap makes sense and have Cade run the second unit? Is he going to be open to that role? Does that make us any better this year? Probably not, but maybe we're a better basketball situation for him and he starts to reach the level Cade optimists (like myself) think he should be at. It would be an interesting challenge trade because we already know Quick is a good 2 way player, but you would be gambling on Cade's ceiling. It's like doubling down with a 10 or 11 against an 8 or 9 in blackjack . It's risky but can pay off if you're right.

[WargamesX]

a little bit of smoke with the Pistons right now and Cade. Not saying they have any intention of trading him, but he might shake loose if they’re continue to be as bad and they could just want draft picks back for him.

I agree Cade is a decent bet for the Knicks to make because a big playmaking wing is kind of what the Knicks are missing... Problem is who are you sending out in the deal/ whose spot does he take in the starting lineup? He's currently not a better player than RJ, Randle or even Quickley for that matter. Brunson is off the table. If you swap out Grimes, then you're leaving yourself too open defensively IMO...Also Cade hasn't proven he can shoot at the NBA level yet. Our already borderline bad spacing gets worse swapping out Grimes for Cade.

Maybe you can tell me that a Quickley/Cade swap makes sense and have Cade run the second unit? Is he going to be open to that role? Does that make us any better this year? Probably not, but maybe we're a better basketball situation for him and he starts to reach the level Cade optimists (like myself) think he should be at. It would be an interesting challenge trade because we already know Quick is a good 2 way player, but you would be gambling on Cade's ceiling. It's like doubling down with a 10 or 11 against an 8 or 9 in blackjack . It's risky but can pay off if you're right.

Honestly idk know if a swap for IQ works but IQ and picks maybe or we literally blow the draft pick load on Cade and see if that is enough to get him. It’s very hypothetical because I got it at 10% chance he hits the market, but there is some smoke there. I don’t think Detroit is doing the process, but I also think they are going to be collecting high draft picks for two more seasons at least.

[Knicksfan1992]

a little bit of smoke with the Pistons right now and Cade. Not saying they have any intention of trading him, but he might shake loose if they’re continue to be as bad and they could just want draft picks back for him.

I agree Cade is a decent bet for the Knicks to make because a big playmaking wing is kind of what the Knicks are missing... Problem is who are you sending out in the deal/ whose spot does he take in the starting lineup? He's currently not a better player than RJ, Randle or even Quickley for that matter. Brunson is off the table. If you swap out Grimes, then you're leaving yourself too open defensively IMO...Also Cade hasn't proven he can shoot at the NBA level yet. Our already borderline bad spacing gets worse swapping out Grimes for Cade.

Maybe you can tell me that a Quickley/Cade swap makes sense and have Cade run the second unit? Is he going to be open to that role? Does that make us any better this year? Probably not, but maybe we're a better basketball situation for him and he starts to reach the level Cade optimists (like myself) think he should be at. It would be an interesting challenge trade because we already know Quick is a good 2 way player, but you would be gambling on Cade's ceiling. It's like doubling down with a 10 or 11 against an 8 or 9 in blackjack . It's risky but can pay off if you're right.

Honestly idk know if a swap for IQ works but IQ and picks maybe or we literally blow the draft pick load on Cade and see if that is enough to get him. It’s very hypothetical because I got it at 10% chance he hits the market, but there is some smoke there. I don’t think Detroit is doing the process, but I also think they are going to be collecting high draft picks for two more seasons at least.

Cap-wise it's pretty easy. Knicks would just have to attach one of their minimum signing guys to IQ to get within enough room since they are both still on their rookie scale deals. The rub would be the picks and that's why this trade will likely never happen. Knicks probably feel like they should be getting a pick since they are giving the Pistons the better young player at a position they need. And the Pistons would argue Cade is the better prospect given his size and pedigree. Also their FO probably won't survive the PR hit of trading the number 1 pick for a guy who is only proven it as a 6th man (albeit a pretty elite one). Fun theoretical idea though IMO.

[Jalen Bluntson]

I agree Cade is a decent bet for the Knicks to make because a big playmaking wing is kind of what the Knicks are missing... Problem is who are you sending out in the deal/ whose spot does he take in the starting lineup? He's currently not a better player than RJ, Randle or even Quickley for that matter. Brunson is off the table. If you swap out Grimes, then you're leaving yourself too open defensively IMO...Also Cade hasn't proven he can shoot at the NBA level yet. Our already borderline bad spacing gets worse swapping out Grimes for Cade.

Maybe you can tell me that a Quickley/Cade swap makes sense and have Cade run the second unit? Is he going to be open to that role? Does that make us any better this year? Probably not, but maybe we're a better basketball situation for him and he starts to reach the level Cade optimists (like myself) think he should be at. It would be an interesting challenge trade because we already know Quick is a good 2 way player, but you would be gambling on Cade's ceiling. It's like doubling down with a 10 or 11 against an 8 or 9 in blackjack . It's risky but can pay off if you're right.

Honestly idk know if a swap for IQ works but IQ and picks maybe or we literally blow the draft pick load on Cade and see if that is enough to get him. It’s very hypothetical because I got it at 10% chance he hits the market, but there is some smoke there. I don’t think Detroit is doing the process, but I also think they are going to be collecting high draft picks for two more seasons at least.

Cap-wise it's pretty easy. Knicks would just have to attach one of their minimum signing guys to IQ to get within enough room since they are both still on their rookie scale deals. The rub would be the picks and that's why this trade will likely never happen. Knicks probably feel like they should be getting a pick since they are giving the Pistons the better young player at a position they need. And the Pistons would argue Cade is the better prospect given his size and pedigree. Also their FO probably won't survive the PR hit of trading the number 1 pick for a guy who is only proven it as a 6th man (albeit a pretty elite one). Fun theoretical idea though IMO.

WTF? Ban yourselves!

[Chanel Bomber]

IQ is a much better player than Cade and that's not going to change.

What are we talking about here.

[Fat Kat]

Forget Bojan. LaVine and his 4 year 170-ish million contract can probably be had for pretty 'cheap' considering the Bulls are finally facing the reality they need to tear down the roster.

His contract sticks out like a sore thumb for a potentially rebuilding team and the upcoming CBA. Vucecic is reasonable, DeMarrs expires. Its Lavine's that needs to go badly.

You send them IQ, Fournier and a pick or 2. IQ fits the rebuild much better as his contract won't be nearly as high as Lavine and is younger.

You either keep LaVine or flip him to Cleveland for Mitchell.

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[KnixinSix]

Forget Bojan. LaVine and his 4 year 170-ish million contract can probably be had for pretty 'cheap' considering the Bulls are finally facing the reality they need to tear down the roster.

His contract sticks out like a sore thumb for a potentially rebuilding team and the upcoming CBA. Vucecic is reasonable, DeMarrs expires. Its Lavine's that needs to go badly.

You send them IQ, Fournier and a pick or 2. IQ fits the rebuild much better as his contract won't be nearly as high as Lavine and is younger.

You either keep LaVine or flip him to Cleveland for Mitchell.

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I would prefer to keep Quickley but a reinvigorated LaVine surrounded by Grimes and DD and Hart at the 2 is a better team.

Now would they take Grimes, Fournier and a couple FRPs to get out of his contract now that they are clearly or the verge of rebuilding? I would think another team would offer more that for him.

Zach LaVine's last 3 seasons:

.507 , .467, .485 FG% and .419, .389, .375 3pt% those are elite/borderline elite % for a SG

[dakomish23]

Someone that could kind of use Fournier as an off the bench piece is OKC. They need some more 3PT shooting.

[thebuzzardman]

Someone that could kind of use Fournier as an off the bench piece is OKC. They need some more 3PT shooting.

For Poku?

[Richard4444]

Someone that could kind of use Fournier as an off the bench piece is OKC. They need some more 3PT shooting.

They are first in 3-point efficiency...

[dakomish23]

Someone that could kind of use Fournier as an off the bench piece is OKC. They need some more 3PT shooting.

They are first in 3-point efficiency...

We’re 6th. No one is confusing us for marksmen…

[sol537]

IQ, Grimes, iHart, Fournier and picks for Spida + scraps at the deadline. Win-win for both teams.

Then you flip Randle for a legit 3&D PF and let the offense flow through Brunson + Spida + RJ.

A man can dream...

[dakomish23]

I wonder how much Klay would hate it here in Thibs ISO ball nonsense after spending all those years under Kerr.