Wembanyama. I'm concerned

[ORLMagicGirl15]

He's averaging 19/9 and 3 blocks as a 19 year old rookie and people are calling him Andrea Bargnani and Bol Bol. That's hilarious. He has ROTY on lockdown with Chet Holmgren a distant second.

How? Chet is averaging only 2PPG less on far far far better efficiency (55% vs 43%FG; 44% vs 28% 3PFG). They play the same amount of minutes. Wemby has slightly more blocks (2.6 vs 2.2). I think right now Holmgreen is better than Wemby and should be ahead as ROY. Now this might still change although I don t think it will due to my previous efficiency concerns about Wemby.

Chet is playing next to SGA who commands the lionshare of the attention and sets him up for easier more efficient shots. Wemby is being defended as the defacto number 1 option and has...Jeremy Sochan feeding him the ball. Night and day difference.

These arguments sound familiar.
Good luck Spurs fans.

To be clear: I am not laughing at the players just the sheer recycled material from the rookie threads these past 2 seasons.

[hauntedcomputer]

He was 30% 3pt shooter for 3 years running in Europe and people and somehow now surprised that he is stuggling.

Because he was shooting 100 percent in highlights.

[BloodNinja]

Wemby ain't it. Not generational at all.

[tsherkin]

He's fine. Usage matters. Teammates matter. Rookies struggle. He'll be fine.

[Clyde Frazier]

"This is not supposed to be a reactionary thread."

Proceeds to be quite reactionary. Thanks for the laugh.

[JN61]

Yep he can't shoot. Maybe one day but for now he should refocus on doing mostly baskets from inside.

KD could not shoot in his rookie season too

Durant could shoot in college. The physicality of NBA was too much for him initially. Wemby has never shown to be a shooter.

[Clyde Frazier]

To be fair, Paolo also shot only 42% and 31% from 3 last season. He's already up to 45% and 40% in just his second season. It takes time for rookies. Wemby should be fine as he matures and evolves as a player.

But is Paolo Banchero the measuring stick for Wemby? Shouldn t the greatest rookie of all time be better than Paola Banchero in his first season?

Where are you getting greatest rookie of all time? The hype is about his ceiling as a prospect, not that he'd automatically be a star out of the gate.

[Bum Adebayo]

Yep he can't shoot. Maybe one day but for now he should refocus on doing mostly baskets from inside.

KD could not shoot in his rookie season too

Durant could shoot in college. The physicality of NBA was too much for him initially. Wemby has never shown to be a shooter.

Exactly, it was evident Durant had an elite touch and was an elite shooter in college, the doubt was if he could endure the physicallity of the NBA with his thin frame and how good of an overall scorer could he be.
Wembanyama is all about potential and tools, not actual production, at least on offense. He has never shown to be a good shooter, even with weak competition in France, probably was that game against Scoot where he was shooting lights out where people got the impression that he was this elite shooter.
I mean, guys like Thon Maker looked revolutionary too in highlights, shooting off the dribble from three and all that, of course it's different because Wembanyama actually has decent basketball IQ and hands compared to Maker, but you get the idea.

[Worm Guts]

Yep he can't shoot. Maybe one day but for now he should refocus on doing mostly baskets from inside.

KD could not shoot in his rookie season too

Durant could shoot in college. The physicality of NBA was too much for him initially. Wemby has never shown to be a shooter.

Wemby isn't Durant, but Durant isn't 7'5. They're different players. Wemby will be really good, but in a different way than Durant is really good. He'll need some time though.

[JN61]

KD could not shoot in his rookie season too

Durant could shoot in college. The physicality of NBA was too much for him initially. Wemby has never shown to be a shooter.

Wemby isn't Durant, but Durant isn't 7'5. They're different players. Wemby will be really good, but in a different way than Durant is really good. He'll need some time though.

And he can't shoot.

[BrooklynDynasty]

Some selected high profile big man draft picks since the merger, 21 and under the day they were drafted, and the W/L record of their teams the year before, and then after they were drafted:

1984: Hakeem Olajuwan (21 y/o) 29 wins --> 48 wins (+19)
1992: Shaq (20 y/o) 21 wins --> 41 wins (+20)
1993: Chris Webber (20 y/o) 34 wins --> 50 wins (+18)
1997: Tim Duncan (21 y/o) 20 wins --> 56 wins (+36)
2002: Yao Ming (21 y/o) 28 wins --> 43 wins (+15)
2004: Dwight Howard (18 y/o) 21 wins --> 36 wins (+15)
2012: Anthony Davis (19 y/o) 21 wins --> 27 wins (+6)
2015: Karl Anthony-Towns (19 y/o) 16 wins --> 29 wins (+13)
2018: DeAndre Ayton (19 y/o) 21 wins --> 19 wins (-2)
2022: Paolo Banchero (19 y/o) 22 wins --> 34 wins (+12)

2023: Victor Wembanyama (19 y/o) 22 wins --> on pace for 17 wins (-5)!




Oh my, is Wemby going to lose more games than any similarly aged big man on this list who played the majority of their rookie year? Wemby is young, but he's not that young, he's turning 20 in six weeks from now. Come on big fella', you're getting the shot volume most rookies could only dream of, let's see what ya got!

[Homer38]

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[HotelVitale]

To be fair, Paolo also shot only 42% and 31% from 3 last season. He's already up to 45% and 40% in just his second season. It takes time for rookies. Wemby should be fine as he matures and evolves as a player.

But is Paolo Banchero the measuring stick for Wemby? Shouldn t the greatest rookie of all time be better than Paola Banchero in his first season?

Where are you getting greatest rookie of all time? The hype is about his ceiling as a prospect, not that he'd automatically be a star out of the gate.

Welcome to like 80% of internet discourse on Wembanyama. Is he a fascinating prospect who's very fun to watch and clearly going to be a very good player at worst for many years? Sure, but some ignorant blowhard who doesn't even really follow the NBA once said he heard he was going to be the GOAT so he's a total fraud.

How? Chet is averaging only 2PPG less on far far far better efficiency (55% vs 43%FG; 44% vs 28% 3PFG). They play the same amount of minutes. Wemby has slightly more blocks (2.6 vs 2.2). I think right now Holmgreen is better than Wemby and should be ahead as ROY. Now this might still change although I don t think it will due to my previous efficiency concerns about Wemby.

Chet is playing next to SGA who commands the lionshare of the attention and sets him up for easier more efficient shots. Wemby is being defended as the defacto number 1 option and has...Jeremy Sochan feeding him the ball. Night and day difference.

These arguments sound familiar. Good luck Spurs fans.

To be clear: I am not laughing at the players just the sheer recycled material from the rookie threads these past 2 seasons.

WALKER KESSLER IS LITERALLY PAOLO BANCHERO'S FATHER

[firedavidkahn]

Spurs fans finally start to realize the other side of the KG vs. Tim Duncan coin

[madskillz8]

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Why 30 years is the cutoff here? Weird.

Surprise! it turns out to be 31 years ago Shawn Bradley averaged 3 blocks, 38 years ago Manute Bol averaged 5 blocks, 42 years ago Mark Eaton averaged 6.5 blocks. End result is, if you are a very tall person with almost 10' standing reach, you will likely block some shots here and there.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

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Why 30 years is the cutoff here? Weird.

Surprise! it turns out to be 31 years ago Shawn Bradley averaged 3 blocks, 38 years ago Manute Bol averaged 5 blocks, 42 years ago Mark Eaton averaged 6.5 blocks. End result is, if you are a very tall person with almost 10' standing reach, you will likely block some shots here and there.

I was confused because Shaq had 3.5 blocks his rookie year until I saw the cutoff period. He’s in good company regardless but I guess it just to show how rare it is for rookies to average that much. But the difference is he only played 13 games where as he’s being compared to Duncan’s whole season.

[Milenkovic]

This thread is absolutely ridiculous

[zimpy27]

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Why 30 years is the cutoff here? Weird.

Surprise! it turns out to be 31 years ago Shawn Bradley averaged 3 blocks, 38 years ago Manute Bol averaged 5 blocks, 42 years ago Mark Eaton averaged 6.5 blocks. End result is, if you are a very tall person with almost 10' standing reach, you will likely block some shots here and there.

Bradley 3bpg in 93-94
Shaq 3.5bpg in 92-93
Mourning 3.5bpg in 92-93
Mutombo 3.1bpg in 91-92
DRob 3.9bpg in 89-90

Hakeem, Benoit, Bowie, Bol all make the cut if you go back 40 years.

[SNPA]

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Why 30 years is the cutoff here? Weird.

Surprise! it turns out to be 31 years ago Shawn Bradley averaged 3 blocks, 38 years ago Manute Bol averaged 5 blocks, 42 years ago Mark Eaton averaged 6.5 blocks. End result is, if you are a very tall person with almost 10' standing reach, you will likely block some shots here and there.

Bradley 3bpg in 93-94
Shaq 3.5bpg in 92-93
Mourning 3.5bpg in 92-93
Mutombo 3.1bpg in 91-92
DRob 3.9bpg in 89-90

Hakeem, Benoit, Bowie, Bol all make the cut if you go back 40 years.

Context matters too. Those guys don’t get that many blocks in the three point chucking contest era we call the modern NBA. Conversely, if VW played in an era where getting shots close to the rim was still considered the key to winning he’d be getting a lot more blocks.

[zimpy27]

Why 30 years is the cutoff here? Weird.

Surprise! it turns out to be 31 years ago Shawn Bradley averaged 3 blocks, 38 years ago Manute Bol averaged 5 blocks, 42 years ago Mark Eaton averaged 6.5 blocks. End result is, if you are a very tall person with almost 10' standing reach, you will likely block some shots here and there.

Bradley 3bpg in 93-94
Shaq 3.5bpg in 92-93
Mourning 3.5bpg in 92-93
Mutombo 3.1bpg in 91-92
DRob 3.9bpg in 89-90

Hakeem, Benoit, Bowie, Bol all make the cut if you go back 40 years.

Context matters too. Those guys don’t get that many blocks in the three point chucking contest era we call the modern NBA. Conversely, if VW played in an era where getting shots close to the rim was still considered the key to winning he’d be getting a lot more blocks.

Yeah, just amused with where they made the cut-off to make it seem more impressive.