Celtics Stung! Loss vs CHA 11/20

[KillahGhostface]

Can we add picks to move up the trade eligibility date? Maybe there's a loophole in the CBA.

I am so sick of the lumping of him and Tatum together lol, as you can tell this morning. Tatum scored 45 and had 15 potential assists, makes the right/unselfish play 90%+ of the time, they may have similar shot profiles, but they play nothing alike. Tatum is at his career high in potential assists, despite his usage being down quite a bit. Jaylen at his lowest number since 20-21, FWIW.

We have an offense full of willing passers, and he just bogs everything down. When Tatum is on the court, it doesn’t matter because he’s such a floor raiser, but when he sits? Well, our offensive rating plummets to 104.9, which would be JUST ahead of the Blazers for worst in the league.

Like I’ve been saying for a month now, this offense makes everyone’s lives easier, and Jaylen is out there overdribbling into contested fadeaways and bad threes, which he’s now under 35% over his last 1000 attempts. He’s scoring less and less efficiently, rebounding less, passing less, but you know, he keeps improving every year!

Rant over.

[Hal14]

I’m not a Joe fan. Didn’t like him last year and still don’t like him. His issues are well known so won’t repeat. I can only hope that Brad sees the light and elevates charles lee or sam.

What makes you think they would be any better? No team is gonna fire a coach who has the best record in the league, only to give the job to a guy who's never been an NBA HC before. C'mon now..

The Cavs did that to David Blatt. Having been to finals a year before, and also having the best record of their conference. Lue had never been hc before as well.

Eh, that's an outlier case and doesn't really apply to the celtics situation.

A few posts on Reddit that give context on what happened there with Blatt:

Spoiler:

"I think that he probably didn't enjoy coaching in the NBA where the players have so much power. There's also the fact that he came to the Cavs to helm a young rebuilding team and three weeks later LeBron decided to sign back with the Cavs which immediately puts enormous pressure and expectations on any team. So imagine going from thinking you're going to be rebuilding to now having championship or bust goals."

"I think there are a few important points to highlight for Blatt and his NBA career

He was hired before lebron returned. The job he ended up with was not the job he expected.

The offensive scheme did not gel with players, especially lebron. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that season is arguably Lebron’s worst statistical season since he was a teenager.

I don’t know if you can say he “lost the locker room”. I would argue he never had control of it. Guys were approaching Lue for help almost instantly

Since leaving Cleveland he has a had a lot of health issues. He probably could have had a coaching gig in the nba if he wanted to, but I think he just wanted to go back home where he was comfortable around his support system."

"Raja Bell has told a story about this several times that is relevant to OP's question.

As people may remember, Raja was a Cavs front office employee during this time. He says that they knew that LeBron and the other players weren't bought in on David Blatt and weren't playing hard for him. The front office didn't want to give up on David Blatt without seeing what he could do if the players gave him a chance.

So Raja Bell went to LeBron and told him that the front office knew that the players hadn't played hard for Blatt, and asked LeBron to get the team to play hard for Blatt so the front office could judge him on his merits, and then they would make a judgment.

LeBron said he would do that. So, the Cavs went on a run after that. But ultimately, the front office let Blatt go anyway."

[KillahGhostface]

Someone just needs to verify that Joe (or anyone on the coaching staff) sits down with Jaylen and asks, "what's wrong with this picture?"

In JB's defense, this picture is an aerial view. It's not what JB is seeing in real time. JB is seeing a big defender with his hands up right in his face, blocking his view of KP.

He probably still should have been able to see the passing window and make the pass though..

KP is eleven feet tall, he definitely could see him lol.

[Memokerobi]

Read on Twitter

I mean we have showed up and played the same way the last 3 games so…

[zoyathedestroya]

Can we add picks to move up the trade eligibility date? Maybe there's a loophole in the CBA.

I am so sick of the lumping of him and Tatum together lol, as you can tell this morning. Tatum scored 45 and had 15 potential assists, makes the right/unselfish play 90%+ of the time, they may have similar shot profiles, but they play nothing alike. Tatum is at his career high in potential assists, despite his usage being down quite a bit. Jaylen at his lowest number since 20-21, FWIW.

We have an offense full of willing passers, and he just bogs everything down. When Tatum is on the court, it doesn’t matter because he’s such a floor raiser, but when he sits? Well, our offensive rating plummets to 104.9, which would be JUST ahead of the Blazers for worst in the league.

Like I’ve been saying for a month now, this offense makes everyone’s lives easier, and Jaylen is out there overdribbling into contested fadeaways and bad threes, which he’s now under 35% over his last 1000 attempts. He’s scoring less and less efficiently, rebounding less, passing less, but you know, he keeps improving every year!

Rant over.

[shackles10]

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I mean we have showed up and played the same way the last 3 games so…

Sadly this is true...

[BK_2020]

Can we add picks to move up the trade eligibility date? Maybe there's a loophole in the CBA.

I am so sick of the lumping of him and Tatum together lol, as you can tell this morning. Tatum scored 45 and had 15 potential assists, makes the right/unselfish play 90%+ of the time, they may have similar shot profiles, but they play nothing alike. Tatum is at his career high in potential assists, despite his usage being down quite a bit. Jaylen at his lowest number since 20-21, FWIW.

We have an offense full of willing passers, and he just bogs everything down. When Tatum is on the court, it doesn’t matter because he’s such a floor raiser, but when he sits? Well, our offensive rating plummets to 104.9, which would be JUST ahead of the Blazers for worst in the league.

Like I’ve been saying for a month now, this offense makes everyone’s lives easier, and Jaylen is out there overdribbling into contested fadeaways and bad threes, which he’s now under 35% over his last 1000 attempts. He’s scoring less and less efficiently, rebounding less, passing less, but you know, he keeps improving every year!

Rant over.

Jaylen's impact on our defense is actually worse than what he does to the offense.

[Fierce1]

2nd time JB missed a potential game winning 3.

He also missed against Minny.

[KillahGhostface]

Can we add picks to move up the trade eligibility date? Maybe there's a loophole in the CBA.

I am so sick of the lumping of him and Tatum together lol, as you can tell this morning. Tatum scored 45 and had 15 potential assists, makes the right/unselfish play 90%+ of the time, they may have similar shot profiles, but they play nothing alike. Tatum is at his career high in potential assists, despite his usage being down quite a bit. Jaylen at his lowest number since 20-21, FWIW.

We have an offense full of willing passers, and he just bogs everything down. When Tatum is on the court, it doesn’t matter because he’s such a floor raiser, but when he sits? Well, our offensive rating plummets to 104.9, which would be JUST ahead of the Blazers for worst in the league.

Like I’ve been saying for a month now, this offense makes everyone’s lives easier, and Jaylen is out there overdribbling into contested fadeaways and bad threes, which he’s now under 35% over his last 1000 attempts. He’s scoring less and less efficiently, rebounding less, passing less, but you know, he keeps improving every year!

Rant over.

Considering who he’s out there with, a -16.7 on/off is INSANE lol.

[fallguy]

Save photo for summer 2024 trade day as a reminder.

[BK_2020]

2nd time JB missed a potential game winning 3.

He also missed against Minny.

At least in the Minny game he was open and there was no 7'3 former All-Star wide open under the basket.

[fallguy]

Is there anyone still on the Jaylen bandwagon or does basically everyone want him traded at this point?

[Hal14]

Is there anyone still on the Jaylen bandwagon or does basically everyone want him traded at this point?

My stance is the same as I posted a week or 2 ago.

It's not really worth discussing right now. He's not trade eligible till the offseason.

July is a LONG ways away. By that time, it'll probably be a different conversation we're having.

During that time, either JB plays well and we win the title. In which case, he won't be traded.

Or, he plays poorly and we fall short of the title. In which case, that huge contract he has will look really bad - so bad that no team will want to trade for it.

[fallguy]

Is there anyone still on the Jaylen bandwagon or does basically everyone want him traded at this point?

My stance is the same as I posted a week or 2 ago.

It's not really worth discussing right now. He's not trade eligible till the offseason.

July is a LONG ways away. By that time, it'll probably be a different conversation we're having.

During that time, either JB plays well and we win the title. In which case, he won't be traded.

Or, he plays poorly and we fall short of the title. In which case, that huge contract he has will look really bad - so bad that no team will want to trade for it.

The most likely outcome is not that binary. It's not 'we win a title or he's untradeable.' We could very well not win a title and still find a healthy market for him (that's probably the most likely outcome). We could also win a title with Jaylen playing the same brand of selfish basketball he's known for. And we trade him then. Lots of possible outcomes you're not seeing.

[Celts17Pride]

Celtics winning 100% of the games at home, 67% of the games on the road. Life is tough.

[Fierce1]

2nd time JB missed a potential game winning 3.

He also missed against Minny.

At least in the Minny game he was open and there was no 7'3 former All-Star wide open under the basket.

Yeah, but still a case of hero ball, both times.

[tfribs45]

JT's offseason interview about playing teams like Charlotte and getting up for the games is not aging well, lol. Hopefully these guys bring it on Wed and we turn the pg!

[Fierce1]

JT's offseason interview about playing teams like Charlotte and getting up for the games is not aging well, lol. Hopefully these guys bring it on Wed and we turn the pg!

JT definitely got up against Charlotte, but the other 4 starters didn't.

[Hal14]

Is there anyone still on the Jaylen bandwagon or does basically everyone want him traded at this point?

My stance is the same as I posted a week or 2 ago.

It's not really worth discussing right now. He's not trade eligible till the offseason.

July is a LONG ways away. By that time, it'll probably be a different conversation we're having.

During that time, either JB plays well and we win the title. In which case, he won't be traded.

Or, he plays poorly and we fall short of the title. In which case, that huge contract he has will look really bad - so bad that no team will want to trade for it.

The most likely outcome is not that binary. It's not 'we win a title or he's untradeable.' We could very well not win a title and still find a healthy market for him (that's probably the most likely outcome). We could also win a title with Jaylen playing the same brand of selfish basketball he's known for. And we trade him then. Lots of possible outcomes you're not seeing.

Sure, of course there's other outcomes. My point was that 2 of the outcomes I described result in JB likely not being traded.

And my main point is JB isn't trade eligible till the offseason so kind of pointless to discuss it in November..

[KillahGhostface]

Is there anyone still on the Jaylen bandwagon or does basically everyone want him traded at this point?

It’s just not even worth discussing to me, as he can’t be dealt until summer, which is frustrating.

All I want is for them to win a title this year, so I’d like Joe to have a tough talk, and use Jaylen properly. Also, I’d like for him to be a good three point shooter for the first time in three years or whatever. The cycle here will just keep going, he will score 25+ sometime in the next few games, and a few posters will say he’s improving every year.