Miami Heat 2023/2024 Regular Season - Thread 2.0

[AirP.]

Beal having some health issues. Early, but feels like we dodged a bullet.

He got injured in training camp, had things went differently, he ended up in a different city/training camp it's quite possible he wouldn't of gotten injured.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Beal having some health issues. Early, but feels like we dodged a bullet.

He was available for a bag of chips and got injured during training camp so there’s a chance that doesn’t happen here, he would’ve been a good pickup but I guess we’ll never know lol

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Beal having some health issues. Early, but feels like we dodged a bullet.

He got injured in training camp, had things went differently, he ended up in a different city/training camp it's quite possible he wouldn't of gotten injured.

lol I’d post the Spider-Man meme but I don’t know how

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Since the Tyler Herro Injury

Team Stats

Record 6-1
OffRtg 116.8, DefRtg 110.8, TO 11.2, Pace 96.3

During 6 Wins
OffRtg 118.8, DefRtg 111.2, TO 11.3, Pace 97

During 1 lost
OffRtg 104.3, DefRtg 108.5, TO 15.9, Pace 93.5

4th Qt Stats
OffRtg 111.2 , DefRtg 117.2, Pace 95.1, TO 3

4th Qt During Wins
OffRtg 114.4 , DefRtg 112.1, Pace 95.7, TO 2.7

4th Qt During Loses
OffRtg 91.3 , DefRtg 146.8, Pace 92, TO 5

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Individual Stats Since Tyler Herro Injury

Bam Adebayo
24.0 pts, 14.9 fga, 11.1 rbs, 4.3 ast, 1.7 stls, TO 2

Jimmy Butler
23.8 pts, 14.5 fga, 4 rbs, 3.7 ast, 1m2 stls, TO 2.2

Duncan Robinson
18.4 pts, 12.1 fga, 48.2 3pt%, 3.4 rbs, 3 4 ast, TO 1.1

Jaime Jaquez Jr
13.4 pts, 10.1 fga, 47.8 3pt%, 3.9 rbs, 2.7 ast, 1.1 stls, TO 1.3

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Prior To Tyler Herro Injury
Team Stats
OffRtg 107.4 DefRtg 110.5, Pace 100.4, TO 16.5

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Niko's not a 5!

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He’s soon to be a PG, stay tuned

[MiamiLoyal926]

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One of Jimmy’s most underrated skills/qualities is his leadership qualities. From the moment he arrived in Mia, he has taken in players under his wing and helped build their confidence and mental fortitude. Bam’s 2020 All Star campaign was a big part because of Butlers vocal efforts to speak it into existence by building his teammates confidence up in the public eye. Struss and Gabe were others that benefited from Jimmy’s leadership. Who else…? Even Duncan. I am confident Duncan is who he is today because of Butler… although it seems like that one went a different route as the pressure tore down Duncan’s confidence first before building it back up to todays version. I bet I am missing another player or two who have benefited thanks to Butlers leadership.

So, if Jimmy is outwardly supporting Niko, then it definitely sends the message that the kid is not coasting and settling. From the pattern I have seen, Jimmy only picks work horses that are hustling and busting their chops to make an impact. Niko clearly has earned his respect and keep one way or another. It’s a matter of time before we see this kid step in and make an impact.

[MiamiLoyal926]

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Hopefully puts the trade rumours to rest. Niko gonna be a player for us, I really believe that.

Hopefully not, if there’s a trade out there that could potentially put us over the top and they want Niko he needs to go

If Niko is not showing the chops, then yes, sell now and sell high before people realize his potential is just that! But if he is showing the chops, which seems to be the case by Jimmy’s public display of affection, and you trade him now, then you sold low on a player that could have been what put us over the top.

Not sure what type of player would put us over the top for the package of old man Lowry and the currently unknown of Nikola Jovic. Who are you targeting with those two/picks?

[twix2500]

Since the Tyler Herro Injury

Team Stats

Record 6-1
OffRtg 116.8, DefRtg 110.8, TO 11.2, Pace 96.3

During 6 Wins
OffRtg 118.8, DefRtg 111.2, TO 11.3, Pace 97

During 1 lost
OffRtg 104.3, DefRtg 108.5, TO 15.9, Pace 93.5

4th Qt Stats
OffRtg 111.2 , DefRtg 117.2, Pace 95.1, TO 3

4th Qt During Wins
OffRtg 114.4 , DefRtg 112.1, Pace 95.7, TO 2.7

4th Qt During Loses
OffRtg 91.3 , DefRtg 146.8, Pace 92, TO 5

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Individual Stats Since Tyler Herro Injury

Bam Adebayo
24.0 pts, 14.9 fga, 11.1 rbs, 4.3 ast, 1.7 stls, TO 2

Jimmy Butler
23.8 pts, 14.5 fga, 4 rbs, 3.7 ast, 1m2 stls, TO 2.2

Duncan Robinson
18.4 pts, 12.1 fga, 48.2 3pt%, 3.4 rbs, 3 4 ast, TO 1.1

Jaime Jaquez Jr
13.4 pts, 10.1 fga, 47.8 3pt%, 3.9 rbs, 2.7 ast, 1.1 stls, TO 1.3

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Prior To Tyler Herro Injury
Team Stats
OffRtg 107.4 DefRtg 110.5, Pace 100.4, TO 16.5

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

Hopefully puts the trade rumours to rest. Niko gonna be a player for us, I really believe that.

Hopefully not, if there’s a trade out there that could potentially put us over the top and they want Niko he needs to go

If Niko is not showing the chops, then yes, sell now and sell high before people realize his potential is just that! But if he is showing the chops, which seems to be the case by Jimmy’s public display of affection, and you trade him now, then you sold low on a player that could have been what put us over the top.

Not sure what type of player would put us over the top for the package of old man Lowry and the currently unknown of Nikola Jovic. Who are you targeting with those two/picks?

Definitely think he has potential and will be a good player one day but I’m more focused right now on doing what we can to win it all in Jimmys likely short time left being at the top of the league as a player.

As for the package, I’m not sure. I guess we’ll have to see what shakes free.

If there was an Avenue to get Caruso Dinwiddie and DFS I think that would go a long way. If Niko is a sticking point there I’d be willing to send him out.

My guess is we’ll be waiting for a star to become available per usual

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Since the Tyler Herro Injury

Team Stats

Record 6-1
OffRtg 116.8, DefRtg 110.8, TO 11.2, Pace 96.3

During 6 Wins
OffRtg 118.8, DefRtg 111.2, TO 11.3, Pace 97

During 1 lost
OffRtg 104.3, DefRtg 108.5, TO 15.9, Pace 93.5

4th Qt Stats
OffRtg 111.2 , DefRtg 117.2, Pace 95.1, TO 3

4th Qt During Wins
OffRtg 114.4 , DefRtg 112.1, Pace 95.7, TO 2.7

4th Qt During Loses
OffRtg 91.3 , DefRtg 146.8, Pace 92, TO 5

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Individual Stats Since Tyler Herro Injury

Bam Adebayo
24.0 pts, 14.9 fga, 11.1 rbs, 4.3 ast, 1.7 stls, TO 2

Jimmy Butler
23.8 pts, 14.5 fga, 4 rbs, 3.7 ast, 1m2 stls, TO 2.2

Duncan Robinson
18.4 pts, 12.1 fga, 48.2 3pt%, 3.4 rbs, 3 4 ast, TO 1.1

Jaime Jaquez Jr
13.4 pts, 10.1 fga, 47.8 3pt%, 3.9 rbs, 2.7 ast, 1.1 stls, TO 1.3

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Prior To Tyler Herro Injury
Team Stats
OffRtg 107.4 DefRtg 110.5, Pace 100.4, TO 16.5

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I mean at this point it’s no coincidence but I am curious to see how we look when he gets back before I make a final judgement.

[MettaWorldPanda]

I highly doubt we get Caruso. Just don’t see a good trade match and Martin and Jovic is not a good deal for him. Lowry and picks for Dinwiddie and DFS or O’Neale makes the most sense. Also like the idea of Lowry and picks for Tyus Jones and fillers

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I highly doubt we get Caruso. Just don’t see a good trade match and Martin and Jovic is not a good deal for him. Lowry and picks for Dinwiddie and DFS or O’Neale makes the most sense. Also like the idea of Lowry and picks for Tyus Jones and fillers

Love that Nets deal, I’d personally be fine with Martin and Jovic for Caruso. He’s a 1st team all nba defender, we haven’t had that from a guard since Wade (unless I’m just completely forgetting someone) and that’s exactly what’s needed next to Herro. He’s under contract for another season after this as well while Caleb is expiring and we likely won’t be able to pay him.

It’s early but Caruso is also at 50% from 3 on just over 3 attempts. We don’t need high volume, we just need the elite defense and efficiency when he does shoot.

IF we were to land all 3 though the money does get weird though, it would likely have to be O’Neale over DFS (if we want to keep Duncan) as we’d be increasing our cap like $3M if we just sent out Lowry Jovic Martin and Bryant while bringing back Caruso Dinwiddie and DFS. O’Neale and DFS and basically a wash overall though

[AirP.]

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One of Jimmy’s most underrated skills/qualities is his leadership qualities. From the moment he arrived in Mia, he has taken in players under his wing and helped build their confidence and mental fortitude. Bam’s 2020 All Star campaign was a big part because of Butlers vocal efforts to speak it into existence by building his teammates confidence up in the public eye. Struss and Gabe were others that benefited from Jimmy’s leadership. Who else…? Even Duncan. I am confident Duncan is who he is today because of Butler… although it seems like that one went a different route as the pressure tore down Duncan’s confidence first before building it back up to todays version. I bet I am missing another player or two who have benefited thanks to Butlers leadership.

So, if Jimmy is outwardly supporting Niko, then it definitely sends the message that the kid is not coasting and settling. From the pattern I have seen, Jimmy only picks work horses that are hustling and busting their chops to make an impact. Niko clearly has earned his respect and keep one way or another. It’s a matter of time before we see this kid step in and make an impact.

Butler seems to encourage all the younger guys who put in the work even if some don't become good, his vets did this for him in Chicago and he's passing it along. I remember early on Luol Deng taking Butler to work out with David Thrope in the offseason and just teaching him how to be a professional. Not everyone who Butler takes under his wing works out like you'd hope, Miami traded 2 mid first round draft picks that ended up being Nurkic and G.Harris for the ability to move up and draft Doug McDermott to be Kyle Korver's replacement because Chicago's FO didn't want to pay Korver. Chicago was and still may be a very cheaply ran team, they're a large market team who acts like a small market team trying to squeeze out any profits they can.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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This years favorite for DPOY

[SA37]

Beal having some health issues. Early, but feels like we dodged a bullet.

He was worth a look before his monster deal. Beal wasn't and never will be worth $50M a season + the no-trade clause.

[gom]

Speaking of dodging potential bullets... I watched this video of Robinson's highlights and they were great, but I saw something else dead obvious:

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Lavine's apathetic defense was disgusting.

[gom]

I highly doubt we get Caruso. Just don’t see a good trade match and Martin and Jovic is not a good deal for him. Lowry and picks for Dinwiddie and DFS or O’Neale makes the most sense. Also like the idea of Lowry and picks for Tyus Jones and fillers

Lowry's expiring deal should be traded only for expiring deals.

[SA37]

Hope y’all watched Caruso closely and saw the seamless fit he would be here. Outside of not being an elite 3 level scorer he’s everything we need at the guard position. He will cover for Herros defense and is an elite POA defender. He’s definitely a Heat guy.

Caruso Dinwiddie and DFS would do wonders for this team

Caruso is the only reason I'd consider a Lavine trade.

Lavine is ok, but I don't see him as an upgrade over Herro. Both are very good scorers and 3-point shooters. Lavine gets to the FT line more consistently, but I don't see it being an overwhelming strength over Herro, though my concern with Herro's development is precisely that he doesn't get to the FT line. Neither is very good defensively.

[dshearn]

Hope y’all watched Caruso closely and saw the seamless fit he would be here. Outside of not being an elite 3 level scorer he’s everything we need at the guard position. He will cover for Herros defense and is an elite POA defender. He’s definitely a Heat guy.

Caruso Dinwiddie and DFS would do wonders for this team

Or dare I say…….next to Duncan

I dunno amigo, I got stuck with the Bulls broadcast and all they kept talking about was his minute restriction...made the dude out to sound a bit injury prone. Probably another dude we would be lucky to get 60 games a season out of.

I remember being impressed by him in the finals against Miami, but it was kinda hard to be impressed by him in the last two games, with how well Miami was playing.

Dude might be absolutely awesome on the Heat, but he is kinda a departure from the recent Heat guards that have been expected to shoot the ball from the perimeter in volume.

But...what do I know....I am the least logical/knowledgeable fan here probably. I always love the coach, and if the last shot was good I love the player. It is about impossible for me to think about trading Lowery/Duncan/Herro/Martin with the recent great games they have put in. Heck I am re-warming up to Jrich even....

[DayofMourning]

Any interest in a Herro for Ivey and fillers trade?