PG Wizards - Bucks Sleepwalk to Win

[Bmaasse]

Name me one Bucks player that wasn’t getting cooked up tonight on D? Lol

But he wasn't making shots either.

He got to take like three shots and hasn’t been able to be given a regular role in the rotation.

He had significant minutes against Miami and didn't produce then either.

What has he shown so far this season that would justify him getting more minutes than Beasley?

[skones]

But he wasn't making shots either.

He got to take like three shots and hasn’t been able to be given a regular role in the rotation.

He had significant minutes against Miami and didn't produce then either.

What has he shown so far this season that would justify him getting more minutes than Beasley?

You don't need to justify it when you have things like this happening. All bets are off and playing time is up in the air.

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[emunney]

Giannis has been a lot more patient the last few games, taking the time to set up his moves, but as importantly I think the player movement has been a lot better. There was one play yesterday where Giannis had a live dribble in the paint and Brook curled around him, almost looked like a pinch PnR/DHO hybrid and Brook got a really easy one out of it. Guys have to make themselves available, give Giannis angles. Big part of the offensive success lately.

[Bmaasse]

He got to take like three shots and hasn’t been able to be given a regular role in the rotation.

He had significant minutes against Miami and didn't produce then either.

What has he shown so far this season that would justify him getting more minutes than Beasley?

You don't need to justify it when you have things like this happening. All bets are off and playing time is up in the air.

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So that play negates all of the positive production that he's brought to the team thus far? He gave up 2 points there. Now show me the clips that suggest that Green would be better.

[tedbrogen]

He had significant minutes against Miami and didn't produce then either.

What has he shown so far this season that would justify him getting more minutes than Beasley?

You don't need to justify it when you have things like this happening. All bets are off and playing time is up in the air.

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So that play negates all of the positive production that he's brought to the team thus far? He gave up 2 points there. Now show me the clips that suggest that Green would be better.

How about you find us a clip where Green looks anything near as bad as Beas did on that play? I’m talking anything from his career in college, G league, last season, or this season.

And that wasn’t even Beas worst defensive play in that very game.

[DingleJerry]

You can find a clip similar to that for virtually every player in the NBA. In addition, it was said he turned his ankle right before that and was taken out after that for the rest of the game. I know first impressions go a long way on boards like this, but people really have to relax on their Beasley obsession

That's not to say he's a good defender but one out of context clip is a very dumb way to go about it. Its almost as bad as I saw some Yankees people put together a clip of Josh Donaldson swinging and missing at pitches to show how bad he is, as if you can't find tons of bad swing/misses for every player in baseball

[tedbrogen]

What Ingles and Khris did/do so well with Giannis on PnR is keep their dribble alive for an extra count and allow Giannis to get all the way to the rim. No help = Giannis lob dunk. Help = Pass to corner for open 3. This takes the decision out of Giannis's hands. Dame gives it up earlier, and Giannis just isn't quite comfortable making the read yet, but getting better. Last night, Dame was giving it up really early, which I think helps Giannis catch with a little more space / runway. Giannis running the PnR is simply about getting him to a physical matchup he can (and does) destroy. Chemistry is building.

This is why I want the Dame/Giannis PnR out as high as possible. Give Giannis a long runway so it’s basically Giannis leading a 4 on 3 fast break.

Dame can’t keep the dribble for that extra beat because he gets treated differently than most as teams show and blitz him hard on those PnRs. If he waits, he’s trapped and he isn’t as tall as Midds or Ingles to see over the top. So he’s trained himself to recognize when the blitz or trap is coming and make that pocket pass so his teammates have a 4 on 3.

I've noticed their chemistry is steadily improving. Especially when they run the high-screen on the left side near the left-block. Freak caught a couple of passes into advantageous post-ups. One possession he scored on a baseline drive and then after a timeout he simply caught the ball, Dame's defender stupidly shaded over for a double and Gianni simply flipped it out to an open Dame three, splash. And I also noticed Dame was giving the ball to him on some possessions to initiate early offense with the Brook/Pat screens.

It appears Dame is recognizing there are times when the other team simply has no answer to even slow Giannis and he’s just trying to feed the ball to Giannis in those situations. Teams that can’t form a wall, Giannis will just cook them at such an efficient rate that it wouldn’t matter if you played five Beasley’s on defense.

He definitely has shown that he knows when Giannis isn’t as effective and that’s when Dame has just gone into takeover mode.

It’s the bonus of having an actual starting PG.

[tedbrogen]

You can find a clip similar to that for virtually every player in the NBA.

Okay then please find me a clip with AJ Green looking like that.

[tedbrogen]

Jordan Poole is an awesome tank commander.

Sincerely one of the best. Guaranteed losses and hilarious plays every game?

My favorite moment. Does he think the game clock stops?

He’s an idiot who doesn’t understand why other players do it. Just trying to look cool.

[DingleJerry]

You can find a clip similar to that for virtually every player in the NBA.

Okay then please find me a clip with AJ Green looking like that.

I'm not going to pour over his minutes of nba games and I don't have a way to cut/paste video from games even if I did. But any player who has played tons of minutes in the NBA has gotten torched at some point. Are you really denying it?

Ang again, the guy was hurt on the play and left the game right after it. First impressions go a long way in sports but folks need to relax. League min players aren't gonna be perfect.

[tedbrogen]

You can find a clip similar to that for virtually every player in the NBA.

Okay then please find me a clip with AJ Green looking like that.

I'm not going to pour over his minutes of nba games and I don't have a way to cut/paste video from games even if I did. But any player who has played tons of minutes in the NBA has gotten torched at some point. Are you really denying it?

Then find me a clip of Giannis looking that statue-esque.

[DingleJerry]

Okay then please find me a clip with AJ Green looking like that.

I'm not going to pour over his minutes of nba games and I don't have a way to cut/paste video from games even if I did. But any player who has played tons of minutes in the NBA has gotten torched at some point. Are you really denying it?

Then find me a clip of Giannis looking that statue-esque.

Every player in the NBA has gotten torched on D. This is an unhealthy obsession man, relax.

And again, the guy had a twisted ankle on it and was out the rest of the game after.

[Profound23]

You can find a clip similar to that for virtually every player in the NBA.

Okay then please find me a clip with AJ Green looking like that.

I'm not going to pour over his minutes of nba games and I don't have a way to cut/paste video from games even if I did. But any player who has played tons of minutes in the NBA has gotten torched at some point. Are you really denying it?

Ang again, the guy was hurt on the play and left the game right after it. First impressions go a long way in sports but folks need to relax. League min players aren't gonna be perfect.

AJ Green is probably our worst defender. No need to pull up clips, just watch him vs Dallas. He was completely out of position on defense almost the entire time he was out there. Multiple times other players had to make up for his mistakes as he stood there like a deer in headlights.

Anyone who focuses on the defense of Beasley but excuses AJ Green is either missing something or has some type of agenda. If Beasley played defense as bad as Green he would be on the bench early and often.

[tedbrogen]

I'm not going to pour over his minutes of nba games and I don't have a way to cut/paste video from games even if I did. But any player who has played tons of minutes in the NBA has gotten torched at some point. Are you really denying it?

Then find me a clip of Giannis looking that statue-esque.

Every player in the NBA has gotten torched on D. This is an unhealthy obsession man, relax.

And again, the guy had a twisted ankle on it and was out the rest of the game after.

So Beas literally had his ankle twisted trying to stay in front of someone? Yep, definitely want to keep playing a guy like that over young guys who MIGHT not be absolute turnstiles on D. Especially when the DRTG is 24th in the league and no team with that bad of a DRTG has ever won a championship.

But if you have a way for the defense to magically get better while still playing Beas 30+ mpg, I’m all ears.

[Bmaasse]

You can find a clip similar to that for virtually every player in the NBA.

Okay then please find me a clip with AJ Green looking like that.

We all know that AJ Green is no defensive stopper either, but the problem is that whenever he gets an open look from 3 in a game playing meaningful minutes, he misses.

Meanwhile the other guy four games ago, went 8 for 11 and then followed that up by going 6 for 10.

Green needs to make the most of his opportunities if he wants to see the floor more.

[Bmaasse]

Then find me a clip of Giannis looking that statue-esque.

Every player in the NBA has gotten torched on D. This is an unhealthy obsession man, relax.

And again, the guy had a twisted ankle on it and was out the rest of the game after.

So Beas literally had his ankle twisted trying to stay in front of someone? Yep, definitely want to keep playing a guy like that over young guys who MIGHT not be absolute turnstiles on D. Especially when the DRTG is 24th in the league and no team with that bad of a DRTG has ever won a championship.

But if you have a way for the defense to magically get better while still playing Beas 30+ mpg, I’m all ears.

Also, I'm actually fine seeing Jackson in the starting line in lieu of Beasley. I'm curious as to how that would play out.

I just don't think Green would be more effective. So if you believe otherwise, please let me know what game so I can go watch it.

[FAH1223]

I think this team may just be Caruso away from something really really special.

We’ve talked plenty about the absence of perimeter D on this team which he would provide, but he’s also very much a tone setter and that could change our identity on that end pretty tangibly.

The offense will continue to improve.

My Wizards have Delon Wright. He could help the Bucks.

The Wizards will almost certainly be able to get something for him making this question moot but if they don't he seems like a decent candidate to get bought out post trade deadline, no?

Yeah if he doesn’t get traded, I could see that. Or he stays if Kuzma is still there since they’re boys. Maybe they’re the two vets “left” on the roster to finish the season.

[DingleJerry]

Then find me a clip of Giannis looking that statue-esque.

Every player in the NBA has gotten torched on D. This is an unhealthy obsession man, relax.

And again, the guy had a twisted ankle on it and was out the rest of the game after.

So Beas literally had his ankle twisted trying to stay in front of someone? Yep, definitely want to keep playing a guy like that over young guys who MIGHT not be absolute turnstiles on D. Especially when the DRTG is 24th in the league and no team with that bad of a DRTG has ever won a championship.

But if you have a way for the defense to magically get better while still playing Beas 30+ mpg, I’m all ears.

No, it was said it happened before that play and that's why he was effed on it and why he was out the rest of the game.

I said using a clip of a player in the NBA getting burned as some sort of evidence on how awful he is a dumb way to do it. You can find clips of every player getting torched if you wanted and had an agenda. Heck I remember a few days ago I stumbled on some Jason Williams vid and it was him joking about him torching prime Gary Payton and it was almost as bad as this clip. There's plenty of ways to analyze or point out someone is bad on D, obsessing over an out of context clip is about as dumb of a way as there is to do it.

I didn't say I had a way to magically make the D better and made no discussion about it.

[tedbrogen]

The argument would be you need to give young players time rather than a few minutes every couple of weeks.

If you don’t think Green can defend or shoot, fine then what’s your logic to defend playing Beasley 30+ minutes but no actual non-garbage time minutes for Dre? Dre has absolutely shown flashes in real minutes. He’s hit his shots during real minutes. He’s been a menace defensively. He’s made better passes in his few minutes than Beas has in his entire career.

We know what Beas is at this point. A horrible defender who can get on a heater on offense. When he’s on a heater, feed him looks from deep and deal with his atrocious D. When his not, you shouldn’t force feed him starters minutes.imo

We don’t know how good Dre could be but his ceiling is much higher than Beasley’s and fills a massive need (perimeter D to try and get this team higher than 24th in DRTG). We also don’t know why Dr. Griff couldn’t find a single non-garbage time minute for Dre against the Wiz.

[paulpressey25]

My favorite moment. Does he think the game clock stops?

Was the game clock or 8 second count running then? I had assumed neither, until he touched the ball.