Knicks seek $10M+ in damages from Raptors

[Ssj16]

Stealing and implementing the knicks secrets would explain why we suck now.

[ForeverTFC]

They didn't say how much they were going to sue for. They simply said it was more than $10 million in order to justify why arbitration would not be the proper form of dispute resolution instead of taking it to court for litigation.

Also yes this is a big ole middle finger to both Silver and the Raptors. Depending on the amount I could see the raptors settle, but I don't know if Dolan wants to settle. He might want to embarrass everyone involved and for once he would be justified.

Settle what? There is no way the Raptors and the NBA want this precedent. The Knicks are getting mocked by everyone in the know because of this law suite. There is no reason for the Raptors to help them save face here.

Who cares what those people think? Legally from the sounds of it, they will be able to prove that several Raptor coaches colluded to steal their scouting information. Its a reputation hit for the Raptor organization, and their new coach and regardless if this goes to trial or is settled out of court precedent has already been set.

The raptors asked the NBA to force this to arbitration and the NBA said no this is going to litigation. The precedent has been created

Have you been keeping up with this at all? The Raptors called the lawsuit frivolous and former and current teams ops people said this is a very common occurrence in the NBA. Dolan is doing it out of spite.

[Quattro]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38951994/knicks-owner-james-dolan-resigns-nba-board-committee-positions

Dolan has always been a bit of a weird and litigious guy, but it seems he now has some sort of axe to grind against the league in general for some reason, not just the Raptors.

He’s been so quiet that last few years that I thought the knicks had finally turned a corner but turns out he’s like a volcano… he might be dormant for long periods of timr but eventually the crazy just erupts.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Raptor fans of realgm, in adherence with the laws of capitalism we challenge you all to a fight in open combat to defend the honor of billionaires. If you accept meet us December 1st and December 11 for a home and away series of fisticuffs.


Since you all have free healthcare we are allowed 100 extra fighters.

[G R E Y]

Raptor fans of realgm, in adherence with the laws of capitalism we challenge you all to a fight in open combat to defend the honor of billionaires. If you accept meet us December 1st and December 11 for a home and away series of fisticuffs.

New Gangs of New York

[WargamesX]

Settle what? There is no way the Raptors and the NBA want this precedent. The Knicks are getting mocked by everyone in the know because of this law suite. There is no reason for the Raptors to help them save face here.

Who cares what those people think? Legally from the sounds of it, they will be able to prove that several Raptor coaches colluded to steal their scouting information. Its a reputation hit for the Raptor organization, and their new coach and regardless if this goes to trial or is settled out of court precedent has already been set.

The raptors asked the NBA to force this to arbitration and the NBA said no this is going to litigation. The precedent has been created

Have you been keeping up with this at all? The Raptors called the lawsuit frivolous and former and current teams ops people said this is a very common occurrence in the NBA. Dolan is doing it out of spite.

So you’re saying the defendant’s lawyers in a civil suit isn’t normally going to call the charges frivolous? That’s par for course to try to get the case thrown out from jump.

Also similar to how I would not take advice from me on how to run a shooting drill, don’t take advice from NBA insiders regarding the law. https://www.lrdc.pitt.edu/ashley/RESTATEM.HTM

Is Dolan doing this to be spiteful, probably yea. Does Dolan has a good chance to win this case, also yes.

Read on Twitter

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He is also moving like he plans to increase the lawsuit amount by further distancing himself from the parties being sued.

[Fairview4Life]

Who cares what those people think? Legally from the sounds of it, they will be able to prove that several Raptor coaches colluded to steal their scouting information. Its a reputation hit for the Raptor organization, and their new coach and regardless if this goes to trial or is settled out of court precedent has already been set.

The raptors asked the NBA to force this to arbitration and the NBA said no this is going to litigation. The precedent has been created

Have you been keeping up with this at all? The Raptors called the lawsuit frivolous and former and current teams ops people said this is a very common occurrence in the NBA. Dolan is doing it out of spite.

So you’re saying the defendant’s lawyers in a civil suit isn’t normally going to call the charges frivolous? That’s par for course to try to get the case thrown out from jump.

Also similar to how I would not take advice from me on how to run a shooting drill, don’t take advice from NBA insiders regarding the law. https://www.lrdc.pitt.edu/ashley/RESTATEM.HTM

Is Dolan doing this to be spiteful, probably yea. Does Dolan has a good chance to win this case, also yes.

Read on Twitter

?s=61&t=BwJNb-B4StQKYkyLVohOwQ

He is also moving like he plans to increase the lawsuit amount by further distancing himself from the parties being sued.

Dolan has a good chance to win the case? Posting a link to a tort law doesn’t actually show that. In fact, I’d be surprised if Dolan can actually keep the case in court, let alone win it. I’m sure he’ll be thrilled with the drip drip drip of these woj etc articles that are bound to keep coming out while he keeps this nonsense up, too.

[Dr Aki]

Stealing and implementing the knicks secrets would explain why we suck now.

[WargamesX]

Have you been keeping up with this at all? The Raptors called the lawsuit frivolous and former and current teams ops people said this is a very common occurrence in the NBA. Dolan is doing it out of spite.

So you’re saying the defendant’s lawyers in a civil suit isn’t normally going to call the charges frivolous? That’s par for course to try to get the case thrown out from jump.

Also similar to how I would not take advice from me on how to run a shooting drill, don’t take advice from NBA insiders regarding the law. https://www.lrdc.pitt.edu/ashley/RESTATEM.HTM

Is Dolan doing this to be spiteful, probably yea. Does Dolan has a good chance to win this case, also yes.

Read on Twitter

?s=61&t=BwJNb-B4StQKYkyLVohOwQ

He is also moving like he plans to increase the lawsuit amount by further distancing himself from the parties being sued.

Dolan has a good chance to win the case? Posting a link to a tort law doesn’t actually show that. In fact, I’d be surprised if Dolan can actually keep the case in court, let alone win it. I’m sure he’ll be thrilled with the drip drip drip of these woj etc articles that are bound to keep coming out while he keeps this nonsense up, too.

I’m sorry I posted the link to tort law with the expectation you would look at the evidence and be able to apply it to see that this qualifies as trade secrets and there is nothing that says “except if some random nba staff says off the record everybody does it”.

I am also not arguing about PR. Legally Dolan should win this and that is probably one of the reason why he is doing this. I’ve been caught out here a few times by Silvers interpretation of his own rules which have been wispy washy, but a civil judge is not going to feel any pressure to be lenient. Based on what the Knicks filed, and how they are filing it, this is a pretty open and shut case. Also keep in mind it may not even be about the Raptors, Dolan may be focused on going after the employees involved and hitting them with fines that will deter any of his future employees from trying something similar. It sounds like he is going to try and put a heavy financial burden on the named parties Ikechukwu Azotam, Darko Rajaković, Noah Lewis and the other 10 unnamed parties.

Now with that all said, there is no reason you as a Raptor fan should get defensive, this isn’t going to cost your team anything like picks, it’s just interesting to watch if you like Tort law. NBA insiders can whisper, Woj can tweet, but just by looking at Dolan’s filings and what we seen Dolan is probably going to win this.

[Fairview4Life]

So you’re saying the defendant’s lawyers in a civil suit isn’t normally going to call the charges frivolous? That’s par for course to try to get the case thrown out from jump.

Also similar to how I would not take advice from me on how to run a shooting drill, don’t take advice from NBA insiders regarding the law. https://www.lrdc.pitt.edu/ashley/RESTATEM.HTM

Is Dolan doing this to be spiteful, probably yea. Does Dolan has a good chance to win this case, also yes.

Read on Twitter

?s=61&t=BwJNb-B4StQKYkyLVohOwQ

He is also moving like he plans to increase the lawsuit amount by further distancing himself from the parties being sued.

Dolan has a good chance to win the case? Posting a link to a tort law doesn’t actually show that. In fact, I’d be surprised if Dolan can actually keep the case in court, let alone win it. I’m sure he’ll be thrilled with the drip drip drip of these woj etc articles that are bound to keep coming out while he keeps this nonsense up, too.

I’m sorry I posted the link to tort law with the expectation you would look at the evidence and be able to apply it to see that this qualifies as trade secrets and there is nothing that says “except if some random nba staff says off the record everybody does it”.

I am also not arguing about PR. Legally Dolan should win this and that is probably one of the reason why he is doing this. I’ve been caught out here a few times by Silvers interpretation of his own rules which have been wispy washy, but a civil judge is not going to feel any pressure to be lenient. Based on what the Knicks filed, and how they are filing it, this is a pretty open and shut case. Also keep in mind it may not even be about the Raptors, Dolan may be focused on going after the employees involved and hitting them with fines that will deter any of his future employees from trying something similar. It sounds like he is going to try and put a heavy financial burden on the named parties Ikechukwu Azotam, Darko Rajaković, Noah Lewis and the other 10 unnamed parties.

Now with that all said, there is no reason you as a Raptor fan should get defensive, this isn’t going to cost your team anything like picks, it’s just interesting to watch if you like Tort law. NBA insiders can whisper, Woj can tweet, but just by looking at Dolan’s filings and what we seen Dolan is probably going to win this.

You don’t really know what the facts of the case are. “Based on what the Knicks filed” is not actually the facts of the case. “Based on what the raptors filed”, the case should be thrown out. There has been no discovery yet. What we’ve seen reported is the guy took stuff like play frequency reports that he built around a few teams and Dolan is arguing that the Raptors inexperienced new head coach required that info because he is an idiot, apparently. The idea that Dolan is obviously in the right and going to win the case is fairly strange to me. For example, in order to keep it out of Silvers hands he is now trying to argue that the “theft” of that outdated info is worth more than $10 million dollars. And you think that this is a slam dunk for him? Come on now.

[WargamesX]

Dolan has a good chance to win the case? Posting a link to a tort law doesn’t actually show that. In fact, I’d be surprised if Dolan can actually keep the case in court, let alone win it. I’m sure he’ll be thrilled with the drip drip drip of these woj etc articles that are bound to keep coming out while he keeps this nonsense up, too.

I’m sorry I posted the link to tort law with the expectation you would look at the evidence and be able to apply it to see that this qualifies as trade secrets and there is nothing that says “except if some random nba staff says off the record everybody does it”.

I am also not arguing about PR. Legally Dolan should win this and that is probably one of the reason why he is doing this. I’ve been caught out here a few times by Silvers interpretation of his own rules which have been wispy washy, but a civil judge is not going to feel any pressure to be lenient. Based on what the Knicks filed, and how they are filing it, this is a pretty open and shut case. Also keep in mind it may not even be about the Raptors, Dolan may be focused on going after the employees involved and hitting them with fines that will deter any of his future employees from trying something similar. It sounds like he is going to try and put a heavy financial burden on the named parties Ikechukwu Azotam, Darko Rajaković, Noah Lewis and the other 10 unnamed parties.

Now with that all said, there is no reason you as a Raptor fan should get defensive, this isn’t going to cost your team anything like picks, it’s just interesting to watch if you like Tort law. NBA insiders can whisper, Woj can tweet, but just by looking at Dolan’s filings and what we seen Dolan is probably going to win this.

You don’t really know what the facts of the case are. What we’ve seen reported is the guy took stuff like play frequency reports that he built around a few teams and Dolan is arguing that the Raptors inexperienced new head coach required that info because he is an idiot, apparently. The idea that Dolan is obviously in the right and going to win that case is fairly strange to me. For example, in order to keep it out of Silvers hands he is now trying to argue that the “theft” of that outdated info is worth more than $10 million dollars. And you think that this is a slam dunk for him? Come on now.

He doesn’t have to argue it’s worth $10 million he just has to sue for $10 million. It also doesn’t have to be compensatory it can be punitive. Which makes sense because this whole case is essentially punitive.

Also you have not heard the raptors say once that the facts as dictated by the Knicks are incorrect. The Knicks claim they can show via emails and records of downloads that Ikechukwu Azotam made throughout the summer that their proprietary scouting information that they both paid for and hid on a password protected server was taken by Azotam and given to Raptor employees. The raptors filling in response wasn’t that these things didn’t happen, but that it should be arbitrated by the league, like normal NBA disputes…..likely because Silver is wishy washy on punishment, but the league said they won’t make a decision and leave it to the court. Wiping their hands of the whole matter.

The Knicks then doubled down on keeping the league out by using NBA bylaw that caps the amount the league can arbitrage involved and pointing out that the league does not have arbitration bylaws regarding intellectual theft. Plus Dolan is suing the Raptors for legal fees.

You can keep posting but the lawsuit is going to happen and I don’t see how the Raptors win. Also once again I think there is a decent chance he is going to to go after the employees too to send a message but let’s see. Also just to say this again unless you have an interest in law, don’t stress this, it’s not going to cost the raptors anything Basketball wise. At worst they should fire some staffers.

[Fairview4Life]

The Raptors not disputing the Knicks facts in their single motion to dismiss or whatever, does not mean the facts are what the Knicks filing says they are or that the facts won’t be in dispute in the future. My point was that if we’re just going by court filings to understand the facts, it’s way too early to say the Knicks have a great case just solely due to their filing. The Raptors filing is that the case should not be in court at all. If the case is pushed back to the nba…does that mean the Knicks facts were wrong? No, not really, but until there’s some kind of discovery you don’t really know if they have a good case or not just based on what they’re saying in their claim.

I am absolutely not worried about the Raptors losing a pick or any kind of basketball related punishment. I don’t think they will fire anyone either. I think this is just Dolan being a gigantic tool, as per usual.

[Brandon-Clyde]

The training I received to do my job stays in my head and if hired by a competitor I can still use it.

However the files on the computer at work belong to my employer and I can not take those files with me if I am hired by a competitor and if the competitor that hired me knowingly used those illegally obtained files the competitor is in big trouble.

What the Knicks are alleging is that the Raptors did knowingly use files that were proprietary to the Knicks. If true the Raptors are in trouble. Oh and it doesn't matter that the Knicks have not been hugely successful as all the Knicks need argue is that the information/files were valuable even if their own use of them was substandard.

[AleksandarN]

Shocking I know but the lawsuit goes nowhere

Knicks, Raptors agree to voluntarily dismiss 2023 lawsuit


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/46555147/new-york-knicks-toronto-raptors-agree-voluntarily-dismiss-2023-lawsuit

[Quattro]

Knicks being the Knicks. Nothing to see here

[Capn'O]

Thank God this is the old thread.

[Mavrelous]

Given how both team performed since then, seems more of a Trojan horse than a spy...

[Backcountry]

Given how both team performed since then, seems more of a Trojan horse than a spy...

Virus-infected hard drive...

[taikibansei]

Thank God this is the old thread.

Remember the days (actually years and years) when these kinds of stories were our "normal"?

[dballislife]

the raps can easily ask for 100 million in damages from clips no?