GSW/PHI/TOR:: Pascal to GSW, Wiggins to PHI

[PhillyNj]

Philly takes this and runs.

No the logic here is just wrong. You’re not trading ending contracts and a pick for Wiggins. The Sixers would be better off waiting till the offseason and spending that money on free agents. Wiggins is definitely not worth more than the 26 million in free agents they can sign with that money.

[Yenrallik1111]

Wouldn't the Raptors just cut out the Sixers here? Warriors are paying Wiggins + Kuminga + 2 1sts for Siakam & GTJ. Sounds like an amazing haul for the Raptors for two guys on expiring deals.

Instant first thought was cut out Philly. Siakam has really started to pick up his play the last while. It's hard to let him go but this may be the move to make. Not entirely sure how Wiggins will take coming home. He is not that star home town hero to help lead the team. He could fit in quite well on the court. But will the narrative around him get over hyped and become a distraction I wonder.

[nykballa2k4]

Siakam is having a down year and not shooting well. He plays the same position as an extended Green plus will be expensive. Looney is a good enough center for GS to win a championship.

Looney/Green as starters is a big problem for the Warriors. Green is eh but he is a force multiplier. Klay has looked washed, Looney is a back up who looks like a starter because of the program, Wiggins is a 3rd option.

If you are not going to trade Klay, then Looney has to be moved for the closest thing to KP you can find.

What does an all-in for JJJ look like?

It's a known fact Green and Looney is a good enough frontcourt to win a championship.

It's the wing position with both Klay and Wiggins having down years. Wiggins is still in his prime.

Klay if he hits his normal 3pt pct is at his normal offensive production.

Loony is a good enough C to just hold it together enough on a team with a true #1-2 punch, and well rounded high end 3rd guys. He is probably the worst starting C on non-rebuilding teams in the league. I'd make an argument that there are back up centers that are a full tier above him.

Here is the problem with your math.
Klay as he was is gone. Wiggins is a 3rd banana. Green has always been a team-reliant player for his value.
You trade Klay, Curry is going to revolt. CP3 just got there, trading him will be a fragile situation.
Loony is expendable and relatively easily up-gradable. Gotta find a way to get a C who can protect the paint and hit a 3. Also need to get one of those microwave type guards like Tre Mann, Bones Hyland etc.

[GQ Hot Dog]

Warriors cut out Sixers. CP3, Kuminga, 2 1sts for Siakam is much better for GS and comparable for Tor.

It's one less first

Unless you have Trent Jr as worth a 1st (I don't), I don't think it's comparable.

Maybe the Raptors take that though. Do the Warriors let Klay walk in that scenario in the off-season?

I kinda shoehorned my own team into this so maybe it's better without them or with a different 3rd team.

I would take this deal for the Warriors.

As far as Klay, I would ask him to take a much reduced deal and considering how he's playing, it would be around $10 mil per. He was a max player as an efficient 20ppg sniper, coupled with on-ball defense capable of winning a matchup against prime Harden in the playoffs. He's a far more limited player on both ends of the court now.

Regardless, re-signing Siakam would be the priority. I would think staying below the 2nd apron would be the next priority.

[Commodor]

Yeah if the trade is multiple 1sts during the sunset of GSW’s big 3’s careers centered around a 30yo expiring player who plays the same position as Draymond I’m out.

GSW is too so we can stop with the nonsense? It doesn’t make sense.

Sac makes so much more sense.

[DonaldSanders]

Yeah if the trade is multiple 1sts during the sunset of GSW’s big 3’s careers centered around a 30yo expiring player who plays the same position as Draymond I’m out.

Yup, this is bad value. Wiggins doesn't need to be traded and CP3 seems to be a nice plus for the Warriors. Trading Wiggins means you need to be going a POA defender which we don't get in this trade. Klay/Kuminga would be the package to shop, but I doubt the Warriors will ever trade Klay. Honestly I'd be surprised if we make any moves unless someone gets hurt.

But moving Wiggins where he is at a low point right now is a really bad move, he's starting to pull himself out of the slump which I expected. This trade is just trading one problem for another. The only way to really improve the roster is to move Klay/Kuminga + picks but the Warriors just won't do it sadly.

[Warriorfan]

Looney/Green as starters is a big problem for the Warriors. Green is eh but he is a force multiplier. Klay has looked washed, Looney is a back up who looks like a starter because of the program, Wiggins is a 3rd option.

If you are not going to trade Klay, then Looney has to be moved for the closest thing to KP you can find.

What does an all-in for JJJ look like?

It's a known fact Green and Looney is a good enough frontcourt to win a championship.

It's the wing position with both Klay and Wiggins having down years. Wiggins is still in his prime.

Klay if he hits his normal 3pt pct is at his normal offensive production.

Loony is a good enough C to just hold it together enough on a team with a true #1-2 punch, and well rounded high end 3rd guys. He is probably the worst starting C on non-rebuilding teams in the league. I'd make an argument that there are back up centers that are a full tier above him.

Here is the problem with your math.
Klay as he was is gone. Wiggins is a 3rd banana. Green has always been a team-reliant player for his value.
You trade Klay, Curry is going to revolt. CP3 just got there, trading him will be a fragile situation.
Loony is expendable and relatively easily up-gradable. Gotta find a way to get a C who can protect the paint and hit a 3. Also need to get one of those microwave type guards like Tre Mann, Bones Hyland etc.

Your opinion but look at facts.
Feel free to list NBA centers who can average 13rb and 3assists in the playoffs.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/kevon-looney-career-playoff-stats

[the_process]

Looney/Green as starters is a big problem for the Warriors. Green is eh but he is a force multiplier. Klay has looked washed, Looney is a back up who looks like a starter because of the program, Wiggins is a 3rd option.

If you are not going to trade Klay, then Looney has to be moved for the closest thing to KP you can find.

What does an all-in for JJJ look like?

It's a known fact Green and Looney is a good enough frontcourt to win a championship.

It's the wing position with both Klay and Wiggins having down years. Wiggins is still in his prime.

Klay if he hits his normal 3pt pct is at his normal offensive production.

Loony is a good enough C to just hold it together enough on a team with a true #1-2 punch, and well rounded high end 3rd guys. He is probably the worst starting C on non-rebuilding teams in the league. I'd make an argument that there are back up centers that are a full tier above him.

Here is the problem with your math.
Klay as he was is gone. Wiggins is a 3rd banana. Green has always been a team-reliant player for his value.
You trade Klay, Curry is going to revolt. CP3 just got there, trading him will be a fragile situation.
Loony is expendable and relatively easily up-gradable. Gotta find a way to get a C who can protect the paint and hit a 3. Also need to get one of those microwave type guards like Tre Mann, Bones Hyland etc.

I don't see why Curry should revolt if he wants one for the thumb. Klay is cooked, everyone can see that.

[nykballa2k4]

It's a known fact Green and Looney is a good enough frontcourt to win a championship.

It's the wing position with both Klay and Wiggins having down years. Wiggins is still in his prime.

Klay if he hits his normal 3pt pct is at his normal offensive production.

Loony is a good enough C to just hold it together enough on a team with a true #1-2 punch, and well rounded high end 3rd guys. He is probably the worst starting C on non-rebuilding teams in the league. I'd make an argument that there are back up centers that are a full tier above him.

Here is the problem with your math.
Klay as he was is gone. Wiggins is a 3rd banana. Green has always been a team-reliant player for his value.
You trade Klay, Curry is going to revolt. CP3 just got there, trading him will be a fragile situation.
Loony is expendable and relatively easily up-gradable. Gotta find a way to get a C who can protect the paint and hit a 3. Also need to get one of those microwave type guards like Tre Mann, Bones Hyland etc.

Your opinion but look at facts.
Feel free to list NBA centers who can average 13rb and 3assists in the playoffs.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/kevon-looney-career-playoff-stats

Kinda arbitrary no?
On your team current husk of Andre Drummond would probably get 16 boards and 4 assists because your system involves big men making passes.

Looney is fine. He is a replacement level starter who is something of a jack of all trades.
The reality is that you guys could do much better. Mo Bamba strikes me as a perfect "budget" option for C.
He is also about average level for a C, but Green would make him look better.

[nykballa2k4]

It's a known fact Green and Looney is a good enough frontcourt to win a championship.

It's the wing position with both Klay and Wiggins having down years. Wiggins is still in his prime.

Klay if he hits his normal 3pt pct is at his normal offensive production.

Loony is a good enough C to just hold it together enough on a team with a true #1-2 punch, and well rounded high end 3rd guys. He is probably the worst starting C on non-rebuilding teams in the league. I'd make an argument that there are back up centers that are a full tier above him.

Here is the problem with your math.
Klay as he was is gone. Wiggins is a 3rd banana. Green has always been a team-reliant player for his value.
You trade Klay, Curry is going to revolt. CP3 just got there, trading him will be a fragile situation.
Loony is expendable and relatively easily up-gradable. Gotta find a way to get a C who can protect the paint and hit a 3. Also need to get one of those microwave type guards like Tre Mann, Bones Hyland etc.

I don't see why Curry should revolt if he wants one for the thumb. Klay is cooked, everyone can see that.

If he wants ole buddy on the club, ole buddy ain't leaving.

[Dom801e]

Loony is a good enough C to just hold it together enough on a team with a true #1-2 punch, and well rounded high end 3rd guys. He is probably the worst starting C on non-rebuilding teams in the league. I'd make an argument that there are back up centers that are a full tier above him.

Here is the problem with your math.
Klay as he was is gone. Wiggins is a 3rd banana. Green has always been a team-reliant player for his value.
You trade Klay, Curry is going to revolt. CP3 just got there, trading him will be a fragile situation.
Loony is expendable and relatively easily up-gradable. Gotta find a way to get a C who can protect the paint and hit a 3. Also need to get one of those microwave type guards like Tre Mann, Bones Hyland etc.

I don't see why Curry should revolt if he wants one for the thumb. Klay is cooked, everyone can see that.

If he wants ole buddy on the club, ole buddy ain't leaving.

Are there any facts to back up Curry wanting to keep Klay to the detriment of the team?

[the_process]

Loony is a good enough C to just hold it together enough on a team with a true #1-2 punch, and well rounded high end 3rd guys. He is probably the worst starting C on non-rebuilding teams in the league. I'd make an argument that there are back up centers that are a full tier above him.

Here is the problem with your math.
Klay as he was is gone. Wiggins is a 3rd banana. Green has always been a team-reliant player for his value.
You trade Klay, Curry is going to revolt. CP3 just got there, trading him will be a fragile situation.
Loony is expendable and relatively easily up-gradable. Gotta find a way to get a C who can protect the paint and hit a 3. Also need to get one of those microwave type guards like Tre Mann, Bones Hyland etc.

I don't see why Curry should revolt if he wants one for the thumb. Klay is cooked, everyone can see that.

If he wants ole buddy on the club, ole buddy ain't leaving.

I don't think Curry would be too mad if they traded Klay. Also, Curry is too old now to cater to like that.

[nykballa2k4]

I don't see why Curry should revolt if he wants one for the thumb. Klay is cooked, everyone can see that.

If he wants ole buddy on the club, ole buddy ain't leaving.

I don't think Curry would be too mad if they traded Klay. Also, Curry is too old now to cater to like that.

I mean that's not true at all... otherwise you would just trade Curry and get maximum returns...

[the_process]

If he wants ole buddy on the club, ole buddy ain't leaving.

I don't think Curry would be too mad if they traded Klay. Also, Curry is too old now to cater to like that.

I mean that's not true at all... otherwise you would just trade Curry and get maximum returns...

The Warriors aren't tanking and Curry is under contract, why would they trade him? Also he has said the only other team he would play for is Charlotte. You think he's going to demand a trade to Charlotte because the Dubs traded Klay?

[Coxy]

GS overpaying again for Siakim, who is an odd fit in our team with the way we are set up.

Easy no for GS.

[nykballa2k4]

I don't think Curry would be too mad if they traded Klay. Also, Curry is too old now to cater to like that.

I mean that's not true at all... otherwise you would just trade Curry and get maximum returns...

The Warriors aren't tanking and Curry is under contract, why would they trade him? Also he has said the only other team he would play for is Charlotte. You think he's going to demand a trade to Charlotte because the Dubs traded Klay?

Oh no, it would be crazy to trade Curry and tank. My point is just that I think Curry has earned cache to pick his teammates and if he would rather be a play-in level team with Klay than a top 4 team without, I think that trade off isn't made.

Looney is expendable and easily upgradable. You need rim protection in the worst way and getting Lavine for Klay ain't it

[cpower]

Looney/Green as starters is a big problem for the Warriors. Green is eh but he is a force multiplier. Klay has looked washed, Looney is a back up who looks like a starter because of the program, Wiggins is a 3rd option.

If you are not going to trade Klay, then Looney has to be moved for the closest thing to KP you can find.

What does an all-in for JJJ look like?

It's a known fact Green and Looney is a good enough frontcourt to win a championship.

It's the wing position with both Klay and Wiggins having down years. Wiggins is still in his prime.

Klay if he hits his normal 3pt pct is at his normal offensive production.

Loony is a good enough C to just hold it together enough on a team with a true #1-2 punch, and well rounded high end 3rd guys. He is probably the worst starting C on non-rebuilding teams in the league. I'd make an argument that there are back up centers that are a full tier above him.

Here is the problem with your math.
Klay as he was is gone. Wiggins is a 3rd banana. Green has always been a team-reliant player for his value.
You trade Klay, Curry is going to revolt. CP3 just got there, trading him will be a fragile situation.
Loony is expendable and relatively easily up-gradable. Gotta find a way to get a C who can protect the paint and hit a 3. Also need to get one of those microwave type guards like Tre Mann, Bones Hyland etc.

we would have to go right into the problem .. that is Klay and Wiggins, both are playing like bench warmers right now. So if we are not trading them, what is the point since they will just keep playing and bring down the starting unit?

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/warriors-plus-minus-leader

[Parataxis]

Golden State Warriors
IN: Pascal Siakam, Gary Trent Jr, KJ Martin, Furkan Korkmaz
OUT: Andrew Wiggins, Chris Paul, Jonathan Kuminga, '26 and '28 1st round picks

The Warriors re-shape their roster again to try to give Curry enough help to compete. Siakam feels like a best case scenario for the type of piece they could add with what they have to offer.

Philadelphia 76ers
IN: Andrew Wiggins
OUT: Marcus Morris, Furkan Korkmaz, KJ Martin, '26 1st

The Sixers walk the line of adding to the team long-term, while still keeping options open both in free agency and the trade market. Wiggins is a tough piece to value at the moment, but his deal still feels reasonable if he can pick things back up, and has a valuable skill set.

Toronto Raptors
IN: Chris Paul, Marcus Morris, Jonathan Kuminga, PHI '26 1st, GSW '26 1st, GSW '28 1st
Out: Pascal Siakam, Gary Trent Jr

The Raptors move on Siakam for a quality pick package and a still somewhat interesting prospect in Kuminga. Not sure if CP3 would be a buyout candidate or not. He could help them on the floor, but I'm not sure that should be the direction. He and Morris are in here as matching, expiring salary.

Warriors cut out Sixers. CP3, Kuminga, 2 1sts for Siakam is much better for GS and comparable for Tor.

Getting CP3, Kuminga, and 2 1st is only comparable to CP3, Kuminga, and 3 1sts, in the sense that any two things can be compared.

It's a first less.

[PhillyNj]

Trent Jr plus Thompson is a disaster at the SG both have been mediocre to say the least this year. I don't see Golden State moving Wiggins for this. If they lose both GTJ and Pascal in the off season they are in massive trouble.

Philly gets cut out no way do they get Wiggins for that

Wiggins on his contract has negative value!

[Mr Swagtastic]

Trent Jr plus Thompson is a disaster at the SG both have been mediocre to say the least this year. I don't see Golden State moving Wiggins for this. If they lose both GTJ and Pascal in the off season they are in massive trouble.

Philly gets cut out no way do they get Wiggins for that

Wiggins on his contract has negative value!

I doubt it, Wiggins gives you more than Korkmaz, Morris and whatever else Philly is giving up. Look at his numbers last year and that's being the 3rd option on GSW. Philly is stealing value here