Around the League - IST Games talk

[jschligs]

Cant believe they didn't call a jump ball after that Pat Bev offensive rebound. Looked like it was a clear jump IMO

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

You know my greatest failure in life? My son came out to me the other day: he's a Miami Heat fan and wants a jersey for Christmas.

Edit: A Jimmy **** Butler one at that.

Don't be a **** dad, buy the jersey.



Also buy him a small tent and tell him you live in a Bucks house but he's welcome to use the yard to live in.

He's still a kid and you need to care for him. I say remove him as a beneficiary. At that point he will be an adult and understand it was his own decisions

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Does embiid cry if they get knocked out?

[midranger]

I’m not sure what an average number of FTs are in a game, but watching players shoot 55 FTs in regulation just isn’t at all interesting.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Why is Evan mobley playing point?

[blazza18]

That was a really good drawn up play there for Maxey coming down hill to an open lane. Can't believe he came up short on the layup.

[MickeyDavis]

That was a good 4th and OT

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Bad News: KD is still a bad, bad man
Good News: they are planning to play him 38mpg until he falls apart with another one month injury

[Ron Swanson]

OG would obviously be a good get if he could be had for a reasonable amount, but I'm not seeing the other guys. They are still absurdly young and should just play the young guys. Grant in particular would be an awful fit. Siakam would be an all-in type of move and doesn't seem worth it at all.

They don't need guys like Siakam or Grant taking possessions from guys like SGA (obviously), Jalen Williams, or Chet. Williams and Chet are already showing they could potentially be great 2a and 2b options behind SGA. They are already very good 2nd options now.

Doesn't have to be any of those guys in particular, and this is the exact wrong philosophy that I'm talking about that causes all these young upstart teams to end up wasting so many prime years of contention they'd otherwise have if they started building around their stars sooner. SGA is a star and already in Year 6. They have 7 first round picks in the next two drafts. The time is now.

Time is now for what? SGA is a really nice number two guy but they don’t have a Durant or Jokic or Giannis. Jalen is a good number three and Cason+Chet are awesome defenders and smart offense. They are a fun team but there isn’t anything out there thats putting them over the top. They have to hope to hit on a generational talent with all those picks. Fun team but so young. They need to win a series and earn some playoff experience while they wait to stumble on a number one guy.

[buckboy]

I hope you all took the over in the Hawks v Pacers.

I did.

Just snuck over the 252 1/2.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I hope you all took the over in the Hawks v Pacers.

I did.

Just snuck over the 252 1/2.

Unverified fact: it was the highest over all year and still beat it by fifty


Also the pacers gave up that many points and nwora didn't even play

[MikeIsGood]

I know we all love Haliburton, and I do too. He's incredible - on offense. But I wonder at what point people start talking about how absolute zero defense he plays. It's not about this game, or that he isn't good, but you don't hear about it as much as other guys who don't play defense. I think it's still very shiny new thing and how bananas he's been on offense.

[Badgerlander]

Time is now for what? SGA is a really nice number two guy but they don’t have a Durant or Jokic or Giannis. Jalen is a good number three and Cason+Chet are awesome defenders and smart offense. They are a fun team but there isn’t anything out there thats putting them over the top. They have to hope to hit on a generational talent with all those picks. Fun team but so young. They need to win a series and earn some playoff experience while they wait to stumble on a number one guy.

Erm, no. SGA is a number 1 in this league and a bonafide superstar RIGHT NOW. If you think he's a "2" you're late to the party.

Ok let’s just say he’s one of the best SG in the league, does that make him a player that you can build around for a championship? He’s not Steph and the rest of OKC isn’t as good as the young Warriors. They aren’t as talented as any Durant OKC team. Do you think they are as good as the 2021 Suns? Maybe but I don’t think that Suns team makes the finals in the West this year. Who are they getting that makes them any better this year, Lavine? Okc needs playoff experience and a stud to make some noise. SGA isn’t Jimmy Butler impactwise, and there’s no Adebajos available for trade. Maybe Chet gets there in 3-4 seasons but he’s a rookie. Fun young team, maybe in time they are the Pistons and SGA is Rip Hamilton.

[skones]

Time is now for what? SGA is a really nice number two guy but they don’t have a Durant or Jokic or Giannis. Jalen is a good number three and Cason+Chet are awesome defenders and smart offense. They are a fun team but there isn’t anything out there thats putting them over the top. They have to hope to hit on a generational talent with all those picks. Fun team but so young. They need to win a series and earn some playoff experience while they wait to stumble on a number one guy.

Erm, no. SGA is a number 1 in this league and a bonafide superstar RIGHT NOW. If you think he's a "2" you're late to the party.

Ok let’s just say he’s one of the best SG in the league, does that make him a player that you can build around for a championship? He’s not Steph and the rest of OKC isn’t as good as the young Warriors. They aren’t as talented as any Durant OKC team. Do you think they are as good as the 2021 Suns? Maybe but I don’t think that Suns team makes the finals in the West this year. Who are they getting that makes them any better this year, Lavine? Okc needs playoff experience and a stud to make some noise. SGA isn’t Jimmy Butler impactwise, and there’s no Adebajos available for trade. Maybe Chet gets there in 3-4 seasons but he’s a rookie. Fun young team, maybe in time they are the Pistons and SGA is Rip Hamilton.

Lol, we don't have to "just say he's one of the best SG in the league." He IS already. Impact wise, he is Jimmy Butler in the early going. All of his impact metrics shot out of a cannon last year trending up, and they look to be continuing that trend right now. Obviously this needs to be sustained, but given his past trajectory, I believe it will. He's there.

I certainly think you can build around him and have a championship caliber team, it's just harder to do when you're a small. Has Dame not been a number 1 in this league for the last 11 years because a championship wasn't built around him?

The rest has nothing to do with my statement at all, and was separate from the statement I responded to. I'm not arguing that OKC has "arrived" as some sort of bonafide contender this season, but I DO think they're for real in a way that Sacramento and Memphis haven't been, and it's because of SGA.

[Sigra]

2008 draft: Westbrook (most WS, MVP, 9xAll-NBA) - best player from that draft - (now with Clippers)
2009 draft: Harden (most WS, MVP, 7xAll-NBA) - 2nd best player from that draft (Curry best) - (now with Clippers)
2010 draft: George (most WS, 6xAll-NBA, 4xAllDef) - best player from that draft (now with Clippers)
2011 draft: Leonard (2nd most WS but most WS/48, 2xDefPOY, 2xChamp) - best player from that draft (now with Clippers)

2012 draft: Lillard (most WS, 7xAll-NBA) - best player from that draft (now with Bucks)
2013 draft: Antetokounmpo (most WS, 2xMVP, DPOY, 7xAll-NBA) - best player from that draft (now with Bucks)

I find this interesting. Clippers and Bucks have all "most WS" players from 2008 draft to 2013 draft (Leonard is 2nd only because of injuries).

[Badgerlander]

Erm, no. SGA is a number 1 in this league and a bonafide superstar RIGHT NOW. If you think he's a "2" you're late to the party.

Ok let’s just say he’s one of the best SG in the league, does that make him a player that you can build around for a championship? He’s not Steph and the rest of OKC isn’t as good as the young Warriors. They aren’t as talented as any Durant OKC team. Do you think they are as good as the 2021 Suns? Maybe but I don’t think that Suns team makes the finals in the West this year. Who are they getting that makes them any better this year, Lavine? Okc needs playoff experience and a stud to make some noise. SGA isn’t Jimmy Butler impactwise, and there’s no Adebajos available for trade. Maybe Chet gets there in 3-4 seasons but he’s a rookie. Fun young team, maybe in time they are the Pistons and SGA is Rip Hamilton.

Lol, we don't have to "just say he's one of the best SG in the league." He IS already. Impact wise, he is Jimmy Butler in the early going. All of his impact metrics shot out of a cannon last year trending up, and they look to be continuing that trend right now. Obviously this needs to be sustained, but given his past trajectory, I believe it will. He's there.

I certainly think you can build around him and have a championship caliber team, it's just harder to do when you're a small. Has Dame not been a number 1 in this league for the last 11 years because a championship wasn't built around him?

The rest has nothing to do with my statement at all, and was separate from the statement I responded to. I'm not arguing that OKC has "arrived" as some sort of bonafide contender this season, but I DO think they're for real in a way that Sacramento and Memphis haven't been, and it's because of SGA.

Dame is a flat out better player than SGA, second best guard in the league for those 11 years. I think SGA is DWade, not winning a championship with him as your number one guy. Jimmy Butler is a better player than SGA, and has been on better teams than OKC, but no rings. Memphis is a better team than OKC with everyone healthy because of JJJ, even if he’s not ready yet. I’d put SGA on a similar level as Ja, impact wise. I think Fox is a better player than SGA too but the Kings are way too soft. I’d put SGA on the level of Tatum, does that make him a number one guy? Does it?

[tedbrogen]

I just read a post that said Fox > SGA and it also said SGA is on the level of Tatum, meaning Fox > Tatum.


It also said Wade never won a ring as the best player. I guess the guy who finished sixth in MVP voting in 05-06 wasn’t the best player on his own team.

[Ron Swanson]

Ok let’s just say he’s one of the best SG in the league, does that make him a player that you can build around for a championship? He’s not Steph and the rest of OKC isn’t as good as the young Warriors. They aren’t as talented as any Durant OKC team. Do you think they are as good as the 2021 Suns? Maybe but I don’t think that Suns team makes the finals in the West this year. Who are they getting that makes them any better this year, Lavine? Okc needs playoff experience and a stud to make some noise. SGA isn’t Jimmy Butler impactwise, and there’s no Adebajos available for trade. Maybe Chet gets there in 3-4 seasons but he’s a rookie. Fun young team, maybe in time they are the Pistons and SGA is Rip Hamilton.

Lol, we don't have to "just say he's one of the best SG in the league." He IS already. Impact wise, he is Jimmy Butler in the early going. All of his impact metrics shot out of a cannon last year trending up, and they look to be continuing that trend right now. Obviously this needs to be sustained, but given his past trajectory, I believe it will. He's there.

I certainly think you can build around him and have a championship caliber team, it's just harder to do when you're a small. Has Dame not been a number 1 in this league for the last 11 years because a championship wasn't built around him?

The rest has nothing to do with my statement at all, and was separate from the statement I responded to. I'm not arguing that OKC has "arrived" as some sort of bonafide contender this season, but I DO think they're for real in a way that Sacramento and Memphis haven't been, and it's because of SGA.

Dame is a flat out better player than SGA, second best guard in the league for those 11 years. I think SGA is DWade, not winning a championship with him as your number one guy. Jimmy Butler is a better player than SGA, and has been on better teams than OKC, but no rings. Memphis is a better team than OKC with everyone healthy because of JJJ, even if he’s not ready yet. I’d put SGA on a similar level as Ja, impact wise. I think Fox is a better player than SGA too but the Kings are way too soft. I’d put SGA on the level of Tatum, does that make him a number one guy? Does it?

Dude, what are you doing?

[skbucks1985]

I described Philly-Cleveland as an elimination game for the in-season tournament and I was wrong about that. Philly could still win the tiebreaker for the wildcard spot if a lot of things break their way

[Badgerlander]

34 year old Shaq? I mean call DWade number one on that team because he was young and did all the heavy lifting but he doesn’t win the chip and mvp without the gravity of Shaq. Come on. Plus Zo was on that team. Posey played like PJ. Jason Williams. That team had some experience on it. SGA is the oldest guy on OKC.