PG Wizards - Bucks Sleepwalk to Win

[DingleJerry]

Okay then please find me a clip with AJ Green looking like that.

I'm not going to pour over his minutes of nba games and I don't have a way to cut/paste video from games even if I did. But any player who has played tons of minutes in the NBA has gotten torched at some point. Are you really denying it?

Ang again, the guy was hurt on the play and left the game right after it. First impressions go a long way in sports but folks need to relax. League min players aren't gonna be perfect.

Don't worry, this guy will do it for you.

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Right, this stuff happens every game. Couldn't stop thinking how much this guys voice is like Patton Oswalts

That said, some of these are hindsight 20/20 type things and many of the situations are because 'help' guys are in such difficult spots these days because of elite shooters everywhere. So a guy who wanted to make a video negative like this, in some of these plays if the helper type guys got to the correct spots this guy ranted about if the guy then made the pass to the now wide open 3 a guy like this would make a video ranting "why?!?!? are you overhelping leaving a 40% 3pt shooter wide open" type comment

[randy84]

That said, some of these are hindsight 20/20 type things and many of the situations are because 'help' guys are in such difficult spots these days because of elite shooters everywhere. So a guy who wanted to make a video negative like this, if some of these plays if the helper type guys got to the correct spots this guy ranted about if the guy then made the pass to the now wide open 3 a guy like this would make a video ranting "why?!?!? are you everhelping leaving a 40% 3pt shooter wide open" type comment

Yeah, that's why its hard to measure defense. You need to know scheme, responsibilities, and what the intent of the defense is.
On the whole, I think Beasley so far has been one of the better signings for what they paid him. Now, he may revert back to a pumpkin at any moment, but I would use him until that happens. He creates a lot of spacing for Dame and Giannis on the offensive end and hasn't chirped about not getting the ball more. Also, I think Dame likes him.

[Karsenmitsche]

can we never talk about play random again

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Anyone referencing Play Random as a negative should have to go listen to Bud explain the true logical meaning that he did on the Lowe Pod right after the title.

Everyone outside the team misunderstood it. It’s why Giannis is still using it, it’s completely logical.

Preach. I don't know why people jumped on it like they did. Pretty clearly to me meant play within our structure but appear unpredictable to the opponent. We've got squares on the floor for crying out loud, what about that was ever chickens running around with their heads cut off?

It is cool that its the first time ive heard Giannis talk about it. Something he heard from Dame around being too unpredictable maybe? Seems like the stubbornness around his playstyle has changed during this stretch of games, hopefully some big unlocks happening.

[BigO]

You don't need to justify it when you have things like this happening. All bets are off and playing time is up in the air.

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So that play negates all of the positive production that he's brought to the team thus far? He gave up 2 points there. Now show me the clips that suggest that Green would be better.

How about you find us a clip where Green looks anything near as bad as Beas did on that play? I’m talking anything from his career in college, G league, last season, or this season.

And that wasn’t even Beas worst defensive play in that very game.

Beasley does that a lot. I already pointed out a different play last night where he wouldn't move his feet at all. I have no doubt Green plays better defense. There's a reason Beasley was known as a horrific defender.

I think he has played defense better than advertised and has the tools. I just don't think he has the mental make-up to concentrate on defense an entire game. That play was embarrassing.

[bucksfansince88]

Okay then please find me a clip with AJ Green looking like that.

I'm not going to pour over his minutes of nba games and I don't have a way to cut/paste video from games even if I did. But any player who has played tons of minutes in the NBA has gotten torched at some point. Are you really denying it?

Ang again, the guy was hurt on the play and left the game right after it. First impressions go a long way in sports but folks need to relax. League min players aren't gonna be perfect.

Don't worry, this guy will do it for you.

Watch on YouTube

hire this guy Horst and AG, he sees what we all see!

[Bmaasse]

So that play negates all of the positive production that he's brought to the team thus far? He gave up 2 points there. Now show me the clips that suggest that Green would be better.

How about you find us a clip where Green looks anything near as bad as Beas did on that play? I’m talking anything from his career in college, G league, last season, or this season.

And that wasn’t even Beas worst defensive play in that very game.

Beasley does that a lot. I already pointed out a different play last night where he wouldn't move his feet at all. I have no doubt Green plays better defense. There's a reason Beasley was known as a horrific defender.

I think he has played defense better than advertised and has the tools. I just don't think he has the mental make-up to concentrate on defense an entire game. That play was embarrassing.

So I'll ask you also, what NBA game/games should I watch that shows that Green is a significantly better defender than Beasley?

And I say significantly, because I'm not seeing anything up to this point that would indicate to me that he is better offensively either.

[tedbrogen]

How about you find us a clip where Green looks anything near as bad as Beas did on that play? I’m talking anything from his career in college, G league, last season, or this season.

And that wasn’t even Beas worst defensive play in that very game.

Beasley does that a lot. I already pointed out a different play last night where he wouldn't move his feet at all. I have no doubt Green plays better defense. There's a reason Beasley was known as a horrific defender.

I think he has played defense better than advertised and has the tools. I just don't think he has the mental make-up to concentrate on defense an entire game. That play was embarrassing.

So I'll ask you also, what NBA game/games should I watch that shows that Green is a significantly better defender than Beasley?

And I say significantly, because I'm not seeing anything up to this point that would indicate to me that he is better offensively either.

I’d watch the Pacers game from last season when the Bucks were again making TJ McConnell look like Prime Jordan and the only guy to stop him was AJ Green getting in front of him and taking a charge.

He also shot 42% from 3 in three attempts per game last season despite extremely inconsistent minutes and we know with Bud’s load management that not all of that was garbage time.

Or the other night against the Hornets when he came in ice cold and instantly buried two threes, but I know, any shots made during garbage time don’t count.

But yeah, he went 0-3 from three last night and we know good shooters never miss three straight shots, so they should never play him again because this team’s top 8 is overflowing with young cost controlled talent…

Not sure why you’re so against them giving AJ Green a real look. Might need to relax or something, brochacho.

[BigO]

How about you find us a clip where Green looks anything near as bad as Beas did on that play? I’m talking anything from his career in college, G league, last season, or this season.

And that wasn’t even Beas worst defensive play in that very game.

Beasley does that a lot. I already pointed out a different play last night where he wouldn't move his feet at all. I have no doubt Green plays better defense. There's a reason Beasley was known as a horrific defender.

I think he has played defense better than advertised and has the tools. I just don't think he has the mental make-up to concentrate on defense an entire game. That play was embarrassing.

So I'll ask you also, what NBA game/games should I watch that shows that Green is a significantly better defender than Beasley?

And I say significantly, because I'm not seeing anything up to this point that would indicate to me that he is better offensively either.

Any analysis of Green as an NBA player is still projection, both on my and your part.

I have watched Green since he was in high school, at the AAU level. I followed him in college because I had seen him in person a lot in AAU.

I also watched him in Oshkosh last year in several games. He's a smart player, who understands his quickness limitations and does a decent job trying to stay in front of his man. In his limited play last year and this year for the Bucks, I've seen good defense.

Beasley has more physical tools than Green and I've seen him play decent defense when he is locked in. But the number of times he just let's his guy go, without making an attempt at moving his feet, bugs me. He did it at least twice last night that I saw. There is a reason no other team wanted him.

Hopefully, the coaches show him the film and tell him that if he wants to keep playing, he has to lock in.

As to offense, I wish Bud had given Green and Marjon more run last season in order to get more out of them this year, but I would still play Green ten minutes a game, if possible until he shows he doesn't deserve it or deserves more.

What I do like about both Beasley and Green, as opposed to Grayson Allen, they both can get their shots off quickly and are still accurate.

[Bmaasse]

Beasley does that a lot. I already pointed out a different play last night where he wouldn't move his feet at all. I have no doubt Green plays better defense. There's a reason Beasley was known as a horrific defender.

I think he has played defense better than advertised and has the tools. I just don't think he has the mental make-up to concentrate on defense an entire game. That play was embarrassing.

So I'll ask you also, what NBA game/games should I watch that shows that Green is a significantly better defender than Beasley?

And I say significantly, because I'm not seeing anything up to this point that would indicate to me that he is better offensively either.

I’d watch the Pacers game from last season when the Bucks were again making TJ McConnell look like Prime Jordan and the only guy to stop him was AJ Green getting in front of him and taking a charge.

He also shot 42% from 3 in three attempts per game last season despite extremely inconsistent minutes and we know with Bud’s load management that not all of that was garbage time.

Or the other night against the Hornets when he came in ice cold and instantly buried two threes, but I know, any shots made during garbage time don’t count.

But yeah, he went 0-3 from three last night and we know good shooters never miss three straight shots, so they should never play him again because this team’s top 8 is overflowing with young cost controlled talent…

Not sure why you’re so against them giving AJ Green a real look. Might need to relax or something, brochacho.

Lol, I'm fine. And I'm not against Green, I just want the players on the floor that give us the best chance of winning.
Green hasn't shown anything concrete, there's nothing tangible out there to suggest that he's better than our current starting 2 other than "gut feelings".

I actually like him, I just like Beasley better in that role right now.

[TroyD92]

Beasley is an atrocious defender and he's pretty easily the worst defender on the team. Green is a fundamentally sound guy who does the best with his traits. He's clearly an elite shooter, but I'd prefer to see it more consistently before I think he's anything more than a partially guaranteed contract guy. Consistently for me means in real rotation minutes not in the 4th quarter of blowouts. Beasley at the very least has proven he can score buckets in bunches(also giving up buckets in bunches). I'd prefer they both not play and we see more Dre and Marjon

[skones]

So I'll ask you also, what NBA game/games should I watch that shows that Green is a significantly better defender than Beasley?

And I say significantly, because I'm not seeing anything up to this point that would indicate to me that he is better offensively either.

Dude you're going to bat for Malik Beasley who's been horrific defensively for 431 career NBA games. The idea that he should just be penciled into ANY role is a wild one given he's on a minimum deal for a reason. It's not outlandish at all to think Green may give us a little more on that end of the floor or at the very least, want to see it.

[Baddy Chuck]

Nate Wolters, Sam Merrill, AJ Green.

[Bmaasse]

So I'll ask you also, what NBA game/games should I watch that shows that Green is a significantly better defender than Beasley?

And I say significantly, because I'm not seeing anything up to this point that would indicate to me that he is better offensively either.

Dude you're going to bat for Malik Beasley who's been horrific defensively for 431 career NBA games. The idea that he should just be penciled into ANY role is a wild one given he's on a minimum deal for a reason. It's not outlandish at all to think Green may give us a little more on that end of the floor or at the very least, want to see it.

But am I really going to bat for Beasley?

Start Marjon or Dre, I'm fine with that. I just don't think Green should get more minutes at this point. For whatever reason, thats an extremely radical idea around here. Weird

[mattg]

can we never talk about play random again

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Anyone referencing Play Random as a negative should have to go listen to Bud explain the true logical meaning that he did on the Lowe Pod right after the title.

Everyone outside the team misunderstood it. It’s why Giannis is still using it, it’s completely logical.

Preach. I don't know why people jumped on it like they did. Pretty clearly to me meant play within our structure but appear unpredictable to the opponent. We've got squares on the floor for crying out loud, what about that was ever chickens running around with their heads cut off?

Playing random is said by numerous NBA coaches, I've heard Chris Finch say it over the summer for example. It specifically means to play motion offense without any called sets. Any coach that wants to play some sort of motion will have some rules/guidelines for their motion offense (for example any time you make a pass, the passer either goes and immediately sets an off ball screen OR cuts to the basket as a generic/basic idea). Just like when you are trying to coach little kids on how to play motion offense so they can learn to play basketball instinctively and not have to rely on called plays, a lot of NBA players need to be reminded of it so they don't just ISO or stand around doing literally nothing because they are dumb. In our case, it's painfully obvious that Bud was attempting to convey to the team to MOVE. His basic offensive philosophy was so static which obviously consistently ran into problems vs good teams in the playoffs, so harping on about playing random was simply trying to get everyone to be active aka the polar opposite of what he had them doing 99% of the time.

[skones]

So I'll ask you also, what NBA game/games should I watch that shows that Green is a significantly better defender than Beasley?

And I say significantly, because I'm not seeing anything up to this point that would indicate to me that he is better offensively either.

Dude you're going to bat for Malik Beasley who's been horrific defensively for 431 career NBA games. The idea that he should just be penciled into ANY role is a wild one given he's on a minimum deal for a reason. It's not outlandish at all to think Green may give us a little more on that end of the floor or at the very least, want to see it.

But am I really going to bat for Beasley?

Start Marjon or Dre, I'm fine with that. I just don't think Green should get more minutes at this point. For whatever reason, thats an extremely radical idea around here. Weird

Yes, because in one post, you have to "justify" a player getting more minutes than Beasley, and the argument is that, well, no you don't because he's Malik Beasley.

[TroyD92]

Dude you're going to bat for Malik Beasley who's been horrific defensively for 431 career NBA games. The idea that he should just be penciled into ANY role is a wild one given he's on a minimum deal for a reason. It's not outlandish at all to think Green may give us a little more on that end of the floor or at the very least, want to see it.

But am I really going to bat for Beasley?

Start Marjon or Dre, I'm fine with that. I just don't think Green should get more minutes at this point. For whatever reason, thats an extremely radical idea around here. Weird

Yes, because in one post, you have to "justify" a player getting more minutes than Beasley, and the argument is that, well, no you don't because he's Malik Beasley.

Beasley is a legit bucket getter. AJ Green is not. Defensively they are both bad, but for different reasons. Beasley has a legit role. I'm not even sure there's any proof that AJ Green is an actual nba player let alone having a role.

If the question is Beasley or AJ Green? Give me Beasley 10/10 times.

[skones]

But am I really going to bat for Beasley?

Start Marjon or Dre, I'm fine with that. I just don't think Green should get more minutes at this point. For whatever reason, thats an extremely radical idea around here. Weird

Yes, because in one post, you have to "justify" a player getting more minutes than Beasley, and the argument is that, well, no you don't because he's Malik Beasley.

Beasley is a legit bucket getter. AJ Green is not. Defensively they are both bad, but for different reasons. Beasley has a legit role. I'm not even sure there's any proof that AJ Green is an actual nba player let alone having a role.

If the question is Beasley or AJ Green? Give me Beasley 10/10 times.

Define, "legit bucket getter." He's a spot up shooter. Malik Beasley couldn't crack a playoff rotation last year and is on the minimum at 26 years old. There is nothing about that that screams "legit role."

I'm not sitting here advocating for Beasley to be sat on the bench, but the mere prospect of a minimum player being this head and shoulders above anyone guy just feels outrageous. And I don't think people realize how rare the volume and percentages that AJ Green shot last year in limited time actually are.

[-Jragon-]

It's great to watch but it's a shame we needed Giannis to spent so much energy to beat the Wizards.
We need to improve our defense. Just to a decent enough level.

We're "funneling" them to Lopez at the rim but if some guards/wings are quick, have decent vision or have an elite floater they can burn us anyway. We always had that problem but at least it wasn't that easy to penetrate our perimeter in the past.
Marjon, AJJ and Crowder when he comes back have to play on the wings. If the defense remains that bad for months we have to trade for a defensive guard.

Offense looks amazing and versatile though.

We didn't need superman Giannis to win that game. Giannis has some Aaron Rodgers pettiness in him and saw he hasn't been mentioned even top 10 in the MVP race so now he goes Superhero mode/worrying about his PPG.. I don't mind as long as he keeps doing it within the scope of finding teamwork, working with Dame, taking less long shots, working in the post/attacking smart/ not to barrel everyone and offensive foul and stays healthy.

[greekbuck34]

It's great to watch but it's a shame we needed Giannis to spent so much energy to beat the Wizards.
We need to improve our defense. Just to a decent enough level.

We're "funneling" them to Lopez at the rim but if some guards/wings are quick, have decent vision or have an elite floater they can burn us anyway. We always had that problem but at least it wasn't that easy to penetrate our perimeter in the past.
Marjon, AJJ and Crowder when he comes back have to play on the wings. If the defense remains that bad for months we have to trade for a defensive guard.

Offense looks amazing and versatile though.

We didn't need superman Giannis to win that game. Giannis has some Aaron Rodgers pettiness in him and saw he hasn't been mentioned even top 10 in the MVP race so now he goes Superhero mode/worrying about his PPG.. I don't mind as long as he keeps doing it within the scope of finding teamwork, working with Dame, taking less long shots, working in the post/attacking smart/ not to barrel everyone and offensive foul and stays healthy.

I don't know if he did it on purpose like its easy to go 20/23 anyway but that wasn't Superman Giannis anyway. He was coasting on defense like the entire team. They had like 84 points in the paint. The Wizards scored 84 points in the paint againt the Lopez/Giannis bucks. That was surreal to watch. We couldn't get a single stop for minutes in a row. We needed every single point from Giannis and if he was passive we could easily lose the other night.

[TroyD92]

Yes, because in one post, you have to "justify" a player getting more minutes than Beasley, and the argument is that, well, no you don't because he's Malik Beasley.

Beasley is a legit bucket getter. AJ Green is not. Defensively they are both bad, but for different reasons. Beasley has a legit role. I'm not even sure there's any proof that AJ Green is an actual nba player let alone having a role.

If the question is Beasley or AJ Green? Give me Beasley 10/10 times.

Define, "legit bucket getter." He's a spot up shooter. Malik Beasley couldn't crack a playoff rotation last year and is on the minimum at 26 years old. There is nothing about that that screams "legit role."

I'm not sitting here advocating for Beasley to be sat on the bench, but the mere prospect of a minimum player being this head and shoulders above anyone guy just feels outrageous. And I don't think people realize how rare the volume and percentages that AJ Green shot last year in limited time actually are.

I could care less about Beasley playing to be clear. I'd actually prefer him not to play much. However he's scored 30, 20, 20, 18, 16 in 5/14 games. AJ Green has never scored above 15 in his 40+ game career. Again I'm not Malik Beasley fan but to think Green is even in the same stratosphere as Beasley as an offensive player is nuts. It is an outlier but his efficiency is nuts right now. You guys want to replace the guy who's doing what you want AJ Green to do. It makes no sense to me. I'd rather see arguments for Marjon or Dre because they bring vastly different skillsets then Beas or Green.

I think he's getting a plenty fair role. He's getting some burn and opportunity to prove he can be a contributor. Just like Dre, just like Marjon. Dre & Marjon are just much better options to me. Get rid of Beasley for all I care. I don't want AJ Green taking a single minute from the guard rotation when it counts though(unless he proves it). I don't want Beas either so free Dre or free Tyus Jones to the Bucks.